A day is all you really need. Now if it barely makes it through the active part of the day then I would have issues. Just get me from when I wake up to when I go to bed. My iPhone6, iPad Air2 and AppleWatch will be next to each other charging up for another day...
Well, despite the high number of posts generated by you about a problem that hasn't been confirmed to exist, on a device that hasn't been finalised, I AM glad to hear that you have lived such a fortunate, trouble-free life so as to consider having to charge something once a day as a PAIN.
Oh, the humanity!
I think you missed a lot in what I said -
But I agree - its not a problem, or a pain yet, as the product is not released. I expect apple will get several days with moderate usage. OTheriwise there will be disappointment.
BTW I didn't realize I was limited in my number of replies. You don't know where I am currently, or that there is very little else I can do in my current location to take my mind of other things -
pain nuisance or problem - call it whatever you want i don't care. If (IF) you have to charge this thing every night it will be a nuisance to many.
Like other have said - many watch wearers keep there watches on even in the shower, or in bed. (Not just bums)
Now we know why Apple gave no specifics on release date. Not ready for prime time.
Of course it isn't. So would you have rather they waited until it was ready to ship in order to reveal, and have absolutely everything leak online before? They did exactly the right thing. Devs can start making apps, hype can build, and people will know its coming- and will put a dent in all other smartwatch sales from now till then. Apple has a few months now to figure out the millions of other details and engineering/software/manufacturing challenges. They seem to have nailed down a surprising amount already, with the fleshed out options of bands, styles, SKUs, and the UI. They dont need to pin themselves to an exact date at this moment.
It's a shame that distance charging isn't ready for primetime yet. The idea of the watch slowly charging while you're still wearing it in bed, or at your desk, or even if you do take it off and just set it on your nightstand, as long as you're within a few meters of the base station... that would be awesome. In a sense it would feel like unlimited battery life.
Charging via stray wifi waves etc, passive use of the potential in the wavelengths that constantly surround us - it's the holy grail of mobile tech, and surely the next revolution waiting to happen. In our lifetimes, probably. This decade? Hmmm
Those concept watches made by Joe Schmo look so much more revolutionary.
It’s easy to be revolutionary when you don’t have to conform to the laws of physics.
Originally Posted by Goldenclaw
Why is this not solar powered?
To quote whoever said it, “Those panels will do really well under your sleeve.”
Originally Posted by stuffe
Why is everyone who is disappointed a troll?
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Of course it isn't. So would you have rather they waited until it was ready to ship in order to reveal, and have absolutely everything leak online before? They did exactly the right thing. Devs can start making apps, hype can build, and people will know its coming- and will put a dent in all other smartwatch sales from now till then. Apple has a few months now to figure out the millions of other details and engineering/software/manufacturing challenges. They seem to have nailed down a surprising amount already, with the fleshed out options of bands, styles, SKUs, and the UI. They dont need to pin themselves to an exact date at this moment.
Some pretty nice features (didn't watch the keynote, but followed on twitter and read some site articles), but:
1. Seems to make life more complicated. As much as technology helps and frees its, I feel it tangles and eats up as much time as it helps - part of it having to do with having to be up to speed with others. Also, before we read newspapers, now we are online even more reading. And having more accessibility to things like libraries and GPS maps can just eat up time).
2. Charging. Well, about as bad as iPhone, of course, having to charge nightly, but another device to worry about. For regularly 9-5 people, shouldn't present too much of a problem.
3. Dependent on iPhone (use an iPhone, but no thanks. iPhone gets hosed up, then phone gets hosed up).
Overall, life is complicated and too much overload as it is. Why complicate matters further and throw on new features?
ok, you convinced me to go back to bed and stay there all day. my life is too complicated already!
seriously tho, you're forgetting practical advantages of having both an iPhone and AWatch. my wife keeps her iPhone in her purse most of the time (i think this is true for most women). so when it rings she has to fuss with the purse first and pull it out, and if the purse is someplace else in the house - as usual - she has to go get it there first. or when the iPhone is laying on the desk or the kitchen counter - the other two normal spots - same problem if she's in another room or, worse, upstairs. the AWatch will solve that problem for her - IF the range of its BluTooth connection is sufficient.
so the AWatch BluTooth connection range is another huge spec question Apple did not address yesterday. and the power of the AWatch BT transmitter will affect its battery life too. 20 ft is ok outside the home maybe, but is not enough for an at-home setting where it needs to be at least 50 ft thru walls, etc.
it is a very valid point. People adopt to the technology that is available to them. If you have a plug in electric car you do make a point to charge it up every night.
Im fortunate to own more than one vehicle, but I don't have to top them up every night. I can go for days without having to fill up with gas.
In contrast whe I travel I can sometimes have to fill up multiple times in one trip on a single day. I don't fly off at the handle when the gas gage says I need to fill up. Hey it would be great to have a nuclear powered car that I can drive ten years without filling up, but we don't have them yet so I have to live with the tech that we do have.
Regularity is a good thing, if you are charging, or dis-charging (esp solids and fluids). BUT having to take of a wrist watch to charge every night, and take its special charger with you every time you spend the night way from home will be a PAIN, of the sort that non-regularity in discharge might bring.
Give me a break! You do realize that at one point in time you couldn't even take your phone with you. Cell phones had yet to be invented. When they did arrive they where huge devices with very limited run times. The technology improved and today we have what amounts to a UNIX running computer in our pockets. That is progress and frankly the Apple watch will be subject to the same progress. Like cell phones the early adopters will be those people that can justify the new device. Look at it this way, in my lifetime we went from having no cell phones to pocket computers that frankly are fairly powerful, the Star Trek communicator was only a hint of what was coming. So we have gone from science fiction to well past that in my lifetime. Along the way we have adapted to plenty of new technology, including having to charge our cell phones. With Apple Watch the recharge time is either worth it or not, complaining about it though won't change much this time around. Rev 2 or maybe 3 will likely dramatically improve the device just like cell phones improved dramatically year after year.
it's easy, and it happens. so people with Rolex don't ride the bus/subway. and they tend to live/work in "safe" neighborhoods/workplaces and are very security conscious when traveling - or take it off.
And trot out Steve Jobs as if every gen 1 product he launched was revolutionary and flawless.
That is getting old. I have to think it is a demonstration of a lack of maturity. Steve wasn't always right and frankly at times engineers had to work around his direction to give us some of Apples greatest products. People should really read about Apple history before giving Steve excess credit.
it's easy, and it happens. so people with Rolex don't ride the bus/subway. and they tend to live/work in "safe" neighborhoods/workplaces and are very security conscious when traveling - or take it off.
Same thing with the ?Watch.
If somebody has the gold ?Watch, they are hopefully smart enough to not walk around wearing it in a neighborhood that has a high population of Fandroids.
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I would clean up this place so good! I estimate that about 25% of all posters would be banned!
Not a single Fandroid would be found on this site, and new ones that joined wouldn't last more than a post or two. I can smell Fandroids from a mile away.
I think it's pretty clear it's the class of the wearables market, but that the entire market is still in the steep improvement phase of its life cycle, similar to the first several years of smartphones.
So should you buy the Apple watch? Sure if you have the coin and it's your cup of tea. For the mainstream user, I think the smart word will be to wait for the V2 year when all the rough edges will be worked out and battery life will probably be much better. The V2 watch will likely give you two years before you feel compelled to upgrade. I don't think that will be true for the V1 watch.
Just finished my first conversation about the AppleWatch.
"So what does it DO?"
"It has this cool tap feature that taps your wrist whenever you get a notification."
"My phone already does that, it vibrates and makes a sound. What else does it do?"
"Well ummm.... It has all these cool fitness features and tracks your pulse."
"That's cool."
"The only thing I don't like is you need an iPhone to use it and-"
"Nevermind I don't want it."
She cut me off and I had no chance to convince her from there. During the conversation I also noticed I had a hard time thinking of cool features that you can't also get on a phone.
Those talking about the need to charge the Watch each night obviously forgot about the first iPhone:
Everyone derided the fact that "what? I can't have it usable for 3-4 days on one charge?"
Now no one even remembers how long the little flip phones could last...
And to compare it to a fitbit with respect to sleeping with it on: when I wore a watch, I took it off every night. It wasn't good for a watch to stay on all night, it could/would get dinged up, and most (decent) watchmakers recommend that you take it off at night. Again, this is no different (as long as one can definitely make it through the day)
Since when has Apple been a luxury brand. It has always been an alternative brand to the MS world of computers. Apples hardware has never been rock bottom and in fact in some cases is extremely competitive. The iPhone certainly isn't a luxury device, in some circles it is actually a work horse.
There are different luxury tiers.
Apple is about the Louis Vuitton level of luxury for iPhones.
Quote:
"There is one more fact that makes this strategy compelling: your average Chanel bag is $4,000 (compared to LV’s $2,500 or so). That is more than 5x the price I’m predicting for the 5.5? iPhone. As I’ve noted previouslyabsolute numbers matter just as much if not more than percentages, and the truth is paying $750 for the best is incredibly accessible relative to just about any other luxury good in the world. Sure, lots of folks even in China may not afford Chanel, but anyone who can afford even a Longchamp bag can buy the best iPhone. It’s a rather nice trick Apple has pulled: being accessible and the best of breed all at the same time.2"
...
Make no mistake: there are a good number of people who will buy the 5.5? iPhone because they truly want a big phone; moreover, these customers are probably more likely than any other group to have switched to Android simply for screen size. I think this phone will steal customers back from Android and really hurt Samsung.
However, I also think that this phone will cost $100 more ($750 to start), and that it will in some small ways be superior to the 4.7? iPhone. And, the reason for that premium will be because the 5.5? phone will be a Veblen good. It will be the phone to have for anyone who cares to demonstrate just how well-off they are, especially in Asia – the Chanel to the 4.7? Louis Vuitton (Vertu can keep the Hermès folks).
I like this article...it provides good insight that the tech articles do not. What he wrote goes double for the watch. The upper tier will be expensive but mid tier TAG Heuer level, not Patek Phillipe level.
Maybe as low as Movado Master Level ($4000)...there are TAGs that run $10K. I don't think Apple can get $10K even for the gold one. $2-5K yes.
The odd thing about folks with $500+ watches is that many own a boatload of them. Replacing it every couple years may not be that onerous.
If the black stainless apple watch is $500 then I'll probably a 38mm one even if I'm not a watch hound.
On this chart I'd put Apple as somewhere between "Basic Luxury" or "Pseudo Luxury" for watch makers. So using this chart below Tag and above or equal with Movado.
At $5K to get the best of breed smart watch of its generation it's very affordable as a veblen good.
Just finished my first conversation about the AppleWatch.
"So what does it DO?"
"It has this cool tap feature that taps your wrist whenever you get a notification."
"My phone already does that, it vibrates and makes a sound. What else does it do?"
"Well ummm.... It has all these cool fitness features and tracks your pulse."
"That's cool."
"The only thing I don't like is you need an iPhone to use it and-"
"Nevermind I don't want it."
She cut me off and I had no chance to convince her from there. During the conversation I also noticed I had a hard time thinking of cool features that you can't also get on a phone.
So because you didn't know what it does makes it bad? That seems to be a "you" problem, not a device problem. No one truly knows what it does, because no one out of Apple has actually used one.
The coolest thing that I remember is that it can tell you when and which way to turn while giving directions based on a directional tap.
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A day is all you really need. Now if it barely makes it through the active part of the day then I would have issues. Just get me from when I wake up to when I go to bed. My iPhone6, iPad Air2 and AppleWatch will be next to each other charging up for another day...
My guess is that they are not talking about always on...one of the features presented is how it "wakes" when you bring it up to look at...
Well, despite the high number of posts generated by you about a problem that hasn't been confirmed to exist, on a device that hasn't been finalised, I AM glad to hear that you have lived such a fortunate, trouble-free life so as to consider having to charge something once a day as a PAIN.
Oh, the humanity!
I think you missed a lot in what I said -
But I agree - its not a problem, or a pain yet, as the product is not released. I expect apple will get several days with moderate usage. OTheriwise there will be disappointment.
BTW I didn't realize I was limited in my number of replies. You don't know where I am currently, or that there is very little else I can do in my current location to take my mind of other things -
pain nuisance or problem - call it whatever you want i don't care. If (IF) you have to charge this thing every night it will be a nuisance to many.
Like other have said - many watch wearers keep there watches on even in the shower, or in bed. (Not just bums)
Now we know why Apple gave no specifics on release date. Not ready for prime time.
Of course it isn't. So would you have rather they waited until it was ready to ship in order to reveal, and have absolutely everything leak online before? They did exactly the right thing. Devs can start making apps, hype can build, and people will know its coming- and will put a dent in all other smartwatch sales from now till then. Apple has a few months now to figure out the millions of other details and engineering/software/manufacturing challenges. They seem to have nailed down a surprising amount already, with the fleshed out options of bands, styles, SKUs, and the UI. They dont need to pin themselves to an exact date at this moment.
It’s easy to be revolutionary when you don’t have to conform to the laws of physics.
Why is this not solar powered?
To quote whoever said it, “Those panels will do really well under your sleeve.”
What is this, the SATs? He didn’t say that.
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Of course it isn't. So would you have rather they waited until it was ready to ship in order to reveal, and have absolutely everything leak online before? They did exactly the right thing. Devs can start making apps, hype can build, and people will know its coming- and will put a dent in all other smartwatch sales from now till then. Apple has a few months now to figure out the millions of other details and engineering/software/manufacturing challenges. They seem to have nailed down a surprising amount already, with the fleshed out options of bands, styles, SKUs, and the UI. They dont need to pin themselves to an exact date at this moment.
Slurpy for moderator 2014
Some pretty nice features (didn't watch the keynote, but followed on twitter and read some site articles), but:
1. Seems to make life more complicated. As much as technology helps and frees its, I feel it tangles and eats up as much time as it helps - part of it having to do with having to be up to speed with others. Also, before we read newspapers, now we are online even more reading. And having more accessibility to things like libraries and GPS maps can just eat up time).
2. Charging. Well, about as bad as iPhone, of course, having to charge nightly, but another device to worry about. For regularly 9-5 people, shouldn't present too much of a problem.
3. Dependent on iPhone (use an iPhone, but no thanks. iPhone gets hosed up, then phone gets hosed up).
Overall, life is complicated and too much overload as it is. Why complicate matters further and throw on new features?
ok, you convinced me to go back to bed and stay there all day. my life is too complicated already!
seriously tho, you're forgetting practical advantages of having both an iPhone and AWatch. my wife keeps her iPhone in her purse most of the time (i think this is true for most women). so when it rings she has to fuss with the purse first and pull it out, and if the purse is someplace else in the house - as usual - she has to go get it there first. or when the iPhone is laying on the desk or the kitchen counter - the other two normal spots - same problem if she's in another room or, worse, upstairs. the AWatch will solve that problem for her - IF the range of its BluTooth connection is sufficient.
so the AWatch BluTooth connection range is another huge spec question Apple did not address yesterday. and the power of the AWatch BT transmitter will affect its battery life too. 20 ft is ok outside the home maybe, but is not enough for an at-home setting where it needs to be at least 50 ft thru walls, etc.
Give me a break! You do realize that at one point in time you couldn't even take your phone with you. Cell phones had yet to be invented. When they did arrive they where huge devices with very limited run times. The technology improved and today we have what amounts to a UNIX running computer in our pockets. That is progress and frankly the Apple watch will be subject to the same progress. Like cell phones the early adopters will be those people that can justify the new device. Look at it this way, in my lifetime we went from having no cell phones to pocket computers that frankly are fairly powerful, the Star Trek communicator was only a hint of what was coming. So we have gone from science fiction to well past that in my lifetime. Along the way we have adapted to plenty of new technology, including having to charge our cell phones. With Apple Watch the recharge time is either worth it or not, complaining about it though won't change much this time around. Rev 2 or maybe 3 will likely dramatically improve the device just like cell phones improved dramatically year after year.
Slurpy for moderator 2014
Nah man.
I would get banned daily.
Slurpy and HAMETA for mods, FTW!
How difficult is it to have a Rolex stolen?
it's easy, and it happens. so people with Rolex don't ride the bus/subway. and they tend to live/work in "safe" neighborhoods/workplaces and are very security conscious when traveling - or take it off.
That is getting old. I have to think it is a demonstration of a lack of maturity. Steve wasn't always right and frankly at times engineers had to work around his direction to give us some of Apples greatest products. People should really read about Apple history before giving Steve excess credit.
it's easy, and it happens. so people with Rolex don't ride the bus/subway. and they tend to live/work in "safe" neighborhoods/workplaces and are very security conscious when traveling - or take it off.
Same thing with the ?Watch.
If somebody has the gold ?Watch, they are hopefully smart enough to not walk around wearing it in a neighborhood that has a high population of Fandroids.
Slurpy and HAMETA for mods, FTW!
I wouldn't mind being a mod, if only just for seven days!
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I would clean up this place so good! I estimate that about 25% of all posters would be banned!
Not a single Fandroid would be found on this site, and new ones that joined wouldn't last more than a post or two. I can smell Fandroids from a mile away.
I think it's pretty clear it's the class of the wearables market, but that the entire market is still in the steep improvement phase of its life cycle, similar to the first several years of smartphones.
So should you buy the Apple watch? Sure if you have the coin and it's your cup of tea. For the mainstream user, I think the smart word will be to wait for the V2 year when all the rough edges will be worked out and battery life will probably be much better. The V2 watch will likely give you two years before you feel compelled to upgrade. I don't think that will be true for the V1 watch.
"So what does it DO?"
"It has this cool tap feature that taps your wrist whenever you get a notification."
"My phone already does that, it vibrates and makes a sound. What else does it do?"
"Well ummm.... It has all these cool fitness features and tracks your pulse."
"That's cool."
"The only thing I don't like is you need an iPhone to use it and-"
"Nevermind I don't want it."
She cut me off and I had no chance to convince her from there. During the conversation I also noticed I had a hard time thinking of cool features that you can't also get on a phone.
Those talking about the need to charge the Watch each night obviously forgot about the first iPhone:
Everyone derided the fact that "what? I can't have it usable for 3-4 days on one charge?"
Now no one even remembers how long the little flip phones could last...
And to compare it to a fitbit with respect to sleeping with it on: when I wore a watch, I took it off every night. It wasn't good for a watch to stay on all night, it could/would get dinged up, and most (decent) watchmakers recommend that you take it off at night. Again, this is no different (as long as one can definitely make it through the day)
Since when has Apple been a luxury brand. It has always been an alternative brand to the MS world of computers. Apples hardware has never been rock bottom and in fact in some cases is extremely competitive. The iPhone certainly isn't a luxury device, in some circles it is actually a work horse.
There are different luxury tiers.
Apple is about the Louis Vuitton level of luxury for iPhones.
Make no mistake: there are a good number of people who will buy the 5.5? iPhone because they truly want a big phone; moreover, these customers are probably more likely than any other group to have switched to Android simply for screen size. I think this phone will steal customers back from Android and really hurt Samsung.
However, I also think that this phone will cost $100 more ($750 to start), and that it will in some small ways be superior to the 4.7? iPhone. And, the reason for that premium will be because the 5.5? phone will be a Veblen good. It will be the phone to have for anyone who cares to demonstrate just how well-off they are, especially in Asia – the Chanel to the 4.7? Louis Vuitton (Vertu can keep the Hermès folks).
http://stratechery.com/2014/iphone-6-louis-vuitton-chanel/
I like this article...it provides good insight that the tech articles do not. What he wrote goes double for the watch. The upper tier will be expensive but mid tier TAG Heuer level, not Patek Phillipe level.
Maybe as low as Movado Master Level ($4000)...there are TAGs that run $10K. I don't think Apple can get $10K even for the gold one. $2-5K yes.
The odd thing about folks with $500+ watches is that many own a boatload of them. Replacing it every couple years may not be that onerous.
If the black stainless apple watch is $500 then I'll probably a 38mm one even if I'm not a watch hound.
http://www.chronocentric.com/watches/brands.shtml
On this chart I'd put Apple as somewhere between "Basic Luxury" or "Pseudo Luxury" for watch makers. So using this chart below Tag and above or equal with Movado.
At $5K to get the best of breed smart watch of its generation it's very affordable as a veblen good.
Just finished my first conversation about the AppleWatch.
"So what does it DO?"
"It has this cool tap feature that taps your wrist whenever you get a notification."
"My phone already does that, it vibrates and makes a sound. What else does it do?"
"Well ummm.... It has all these cool fitness features and tracks your pulse."
"That's cool."
"The only thing I don't like is you need an iPhone to use it and-"
"Nevermind I don't want it."
She cut me off and I had no chance to convince her from there. During the conversation I also noticed I had a hard time thinking of cool features that you can't also get on a phone.
So because you didn't know what it does makes it bad? That seems to be a "you" problem, not a device problem. No one truly knows what it does, because no one out of Apple has actually used one.
The coolest thing that I remember is that it can tell you when and which way to turn while giving directions based on a directional tap.