Apple Watch will come in two sizes & three collections, with six different strap styles

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  • Reply 81 of 102
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 3,980member
    stuffe wrote: »
    Don't see how it's Apple Pay compatible if there is no Touch ID on the phone. I suppose you would have to fiddle around in your pants with one hand and wave your other one around in front of the sensor.
    Ther's some thing called PIN
  • Reply 82 of 102
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    Don't see how it's Apple Pay compatible if there is no Touch ID on the phone. I suppose you would have to fiddle around in your pants with one hand and wave your other one around in front of the sensor.


    Ther's some thing called PIN

     

    That thar' is.

  • Reply 83 of 102
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 14,230moderator
    solipsismx wrote: »
    Horace Dediu of Asymco is saying it has 802.11b/g, which I'm very surprised by.

    The Apple site says:

    "it uses the GPS and Wi?Fi in your iPhone to track how far you’ve moved."
    "Apple Watch uses the GPS and Wi?Fi in your iPhone to help measure the distance you travel during activities that can’t be measured in steps, such as cycling."

    http://www.apple.com/watch/features/
    http://www.apple.com/watch/technology/

    I guess it means it connects to the iPhone via wi-fi to read the GPS data.

    Apple's press release is here:

    https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/09/09Apple-Unveils-Apple-Watch-Apples-Most-Personal-Device-Ever.html

    "Apple Watch also features Wi-Fi 802.11b/g and Bluetooth 4.0 to pair seamlessly with your iPhone."

    There's no wi-fi signal icon on the screen though. Perhaps the wi-fi isn't intended to connect to wi-fi internet because how would you enter the password? At least it has the wi-fi antenna. Maybe they can add a password entry box that does one character at a time on some sort of scroll wheel later on.
  • Reply 84 of 102
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    Horace Dediu of Asymco is saying it has 802.11b/g, which I'm very surprised by.




    The Apple site says:



    "it uses the GPS and Wi?Fi in your iPhone to track how far you’ve moved."

    "Apple Watch uses the GPS and Wi?Fi in your iPhone to help measure the distance you travel during activities that can’t be measured in steps, such as cycling."



    http://www.apple.com/watch/features/

    http://www.apple.com/watch/technology/



    I guess it means it connects to the iPhone via wi-fi to read the GPS data.



    Apple's press release is here:



    https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/09/09Apple-Unveils-Apple-Watch-Apples-Most-Personal-Device-Ever.html



    "Apple Watch also features Wi-Fi 802.11b/g and Bluetooth 4.0 to pair seamlessly with your iPhone."



    There's no wi-fi signal icon on the screen though. Perhaps the wi-fi isn't intended to connect to wi-fi internet because how would you enter the password? At least it has the wi-fi antenna. Maybe they can add a password entry box that does one character at a time on some sort of scroll wheel later on.

     

    Very confusing.

  • Reply 85 of 102
    Marvin wrote: »
    Perhaps the wi-fi isn't intended to connect to wi-fi internet because how would you enter the password? At least it has the wi-fi antenna. Maybe they can add a password entry box that does one character at a time on some sort of scroll wheel later on.

    Hopefully it will just pull the WiFi locations and passwords from your iPhone, but you still have an issue with hotspots that have splash pages, most which seem to still not be idealized for smartphone screens. Is there even a browser so that can pop up? Like [@]Benjamin Frost[/@] states, very confusing…and weird.
  • Reply 86 of 102
    boredumbboredumb Posts: 1,417member
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    Don't see how it's Apple Pay compatible if there is no Touch ID on the phone. I suppose you would have to fiddle around in your pants with one hand and wave your other one around in front of the sensor.


    Ther's some thing called PIN

     

    That thar' is.


    didn't seem to be one in the demo…I think all that's obviated by the 'unique' transaction number approach.

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    Don't see how it's Apple Pay compatible if there is no Touch ID on the phone. I suppose you would have to fiddle around in your pants with one hand and wave your other one around in front of the sensor.


    Ther's some thing called PIN

     

    That thar' is.


    didn't seem to be one in the demo…I think all that's obviated by the 'unique' transaction number approach.


     

    I was just being silly.

  • Reply 88 of 102
    boredumbboredumb Posts: 1,417member
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    1) I am not feeling the physical design of the iWatch, save for the knob/home button*, the home screen layout, or most of the usage examples they showed us with maps, emails, tweets, etc.

    All observations I share, sadly.

    I don't like the black screen. I guess it helps save on battery life. Really, my £40 Seiko is so much nicer with its simple, elegant white face.

    It's all a bit fiddly and non-killer.


    I'd include that the App jumble on the home screen is, to me, dead ugly...

    I'm not a fan of the look Ive prefers in software (hardware is generally aces, though).

    All those primary and day-glo colors strike me as the antithesis of sophistication.

  • Reply 89 of 102
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    1) I am not feeling the physical design of the iWatch, save for the knob/home button*, the home screen layout, or most of the usage examples they showed us with maps, emails, tweets, etc.

    All observations I share, sadly.

    I don't like the black screen. I guess it helps save on battery life. Really, my £40 Seiko is so much nicer with its simple, elegant white face.

    It's all a bit fiddly and non-killer.


    I'd include that the App jumble on the home screen is, to me, dead ugly...

    I'm not a fan of the look Ive prefers in software (hardware is generally aces, though).

    All those primary and day-glo colors strike me as the antithesis of sophistication.


     

    The round icons on the home screen are tiny! How are you supposed to touch them with any accuracy, or at least a lot of concentration? Just seems daft.

  • Reply 90 of 102

    JJ Abrams likes the new Apple Watch:  pic.twitter.com/6aW4mEyB3F

  • Reply 91 of 102
    boredumbboredumb Posts: 1,417member
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    The round icons on the home screen are tiny! How are you supposed to touch them with any accuracy, or at least a lot of concentration? Just seems daft.


    Ummm…sharpen your fingertips?

    I know I've heard that somewhere…                      <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 92 of 102
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 3,980member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    Hopefully it will just pull the WiFi locations and passwords from your iPhone, but you still have an issue with hotspots that have splash pages, most which seem to still not be idealized for smartphone screens. Is there even a browser so that can pop up? Like [@]Benjamin Frost[/@] states, very confusing…and weird.
    Add a bluetooth keyboard. Problem solved
  • Reply 93 of 102
    trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,461member

    I'm glad I didn't wait and went with my Tomtom Multisport. It sends all my workouts to my iPhone via bluetooth and has INSANELY GREAT battery life compared to all these terrible new "smart" watches.

     

    The Apple Watch doesn't even include GPS. My watch has 10 hrs of GPS tracking, accelerometers, bluetooth connectivity, etc.

     

    I was really hoping Apple would go in a different direction with the screen and make the watch more of a true always on accessory rather than something of a kludged on bit of nonsense that duplicates so many phone features.

     

    Maybe I'm just becoming a curmudgeon but my dedicated tech devices still are such better solutions at times. I still love my iPod Nano for when I run with music or podcasts. I love my Kindle Touch 3G for reading because the presentation of text is crisp with no glare. I charge it about once a month. Now I love my Tomtom Multisport because it tracks my heartrate, strides per minute, etc and does so for with one charge every week to 10 days.

     

    More integration with more devices all built the same way, with terrible battery life and overlapping functions just doesn't do it for me. I wouldn't want a camera on my watch for example.

  • Reply 94 of 102
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
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    .....The Apple Watch is not a cool looking watch, it looks like a cheap Casio watch just like the Galaxy Gear.

    OR it looks like the classic Cartier Tank. I've a couple of Casios and it looks nothing like those (G-schocks) at any rate. With the right band it somewhat echoes my old Submariner, but with a rectangular face, of course...

     

    It's an accessory: duplicating items already in the iPhone (wi-fi, gps etc.) would be a waste of money, hardware space and limited battery power. If you really must have an iPhone on your wrist I expect there's already a sports case out there somewhere you can strap on. Maybe like one of those forearm things NFL quarterbacks use to hold their playlist?

  • Reply 95 of 102
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
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    .......

    More integration with more devices all built the same way, with terrible battery life and overlapping functions just doesn't do it for me. I wouldn't want a camera on my watch for example.


    Yet you want gps on the watch? Which is a exactly an "overlapping function" of what's on the iPhone? You get the navigation display on the wrist with the Apple watch without the battery drain of an "overlapping" gps as it is. Plus the map display can update via BT from data downloaded via the iPhone's connection to the internet. All without a weight, expense or battery penalty.

  • Reply 96 of 102
    trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,461member
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    .......

    More integration with more devices all built the same way, with terrible battery life and overlapping functions just doesn't do it for me. I wouldn't want a camera on my watch for example.


    Yet you want gps on the watch? Which is a exactly an "overlapping function" of what's on the iPhone? You get the navigation display on the wrist with the Apple watch without the battery drain of an "overlapping" gps as it is. Plus the map display can update via BT from data downloaded via the iPhone's connection to the internet. All without a weight, expense or battery penalty.


     

    There's a reason the sportwatches can get 10-15 hours of GPS tracking when the iPhone cannot. While they may track with GPS the chips or function are not quite the same at all. It is like declaring that having a display is an overlapping function.

     

    With GPS tracking on watches, there isn't a map display. It isn't used for turn by turn directions. You are being tracked, not directed. There isn't a battery penalty because the AppleWatch is grasping for a day while the watches I mentioned easily go a week.

     

    If your watch has GPS then it can allow you to leave your phone away from the physical activity. For example my Tomtom Multisport tracks my swims when I am in the pool. I would never take my iPhone into a pool. A co-worker bought his to track his windsailing routes when he goes out. Again not an iPhone scenario.

     

    These would all be "plus" scenarios. They would be a circumstance where spending $350+ gets you the ability to do more than just leave your phone in your pocket. When the iPhone was introduced, it was shown how it was an iPod but also much more (phone and personal internet device.) The AppleWatch could have significantly improved an iPhone experience, not just moved where it is happening. Use your iPhone for tracking your fitness and it dies in 4 hours of GPS use. Well with this $350 Applewatch, you now get 15 hours and can read the results on both the watch or iPhone. Track your fitness with your iPhone, great. Use the Applewatch and have your heart rate added to every exercise for up to 10 hours. (Apple may have something similar but the heart monitor appears periodic so far.)

     

    The AppleWatch should have a better selling point beyond "Hey, you're too lazy to take the lightest thinnest, most beautiful phones we've ever crafted out of your pocket."

  • Reply 97 of 102
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 14,230moderator
    jfc1138 wrote: »
    OR it looks like the classic Cartier Tank. I've a couple of Casios and it looks nothing like those (G-schocks) at any rate.

    I'd say more Casio than Cartier:

    1000

    The way the strap attaches, the roundness of the rectangular shape (Cartier has sharper corners), the buttons, the highlights. It's somewhere between the two anyway and IMO it should be trying to compete with the Cartier for wrist space but easily falls short.
    jfc1138 wrote:
    If you really must have an iPhone on your wrist I expect there's already a sports case out there somewhere you can strap on

    It wouldn't be a full iPhone, it has no keyboard so it can never be the same experience as the phone - no mobile browsing, no typing documents. This would be a personal assistant where people would rely more on Siri. Having access to Maps and GPS anywhere would be so useful. When you're out shopping, it would know where all the stores are at all times from it's own data connection. It's not going to replace the iPhone but it allows it to be independent of it. When it's dependent on it and you have it with you, why even bother buying the watch?

    It limits the appeal of the device. The compatible target audience over the next year will be something like 300 million users but what portion of those iPhone owners will want to spend $350 on a watch with that design to piggy-back off the phone?

    People are noting that similar things were said about the iPhone and iPad, that they'd never sell but the difference with those is they have unique functionality on their own. You don't need to own an iPhone to use an iPad and vice versa. The smartphone was always going to be the most essential device and sell the most - it has sold over 500 million units. The iPad is not as essential and has sold over 200 million units. The Apple Watch will be less essential than the iPad. There were only 2 million smartwatches sold last year, there are suggestions that will go to 5-10m this year. The sales of this will be very poor for a while. I'd be surprised if the Apple Watch topped 10 million units in 2015.
  • Reply 98 of 102
    Marvin wrote: »

    Looking at those watches the one I'd want based solely on looks is the ?Watch… and as of right now I don't plan on buying an ?Watch.
    When it's dependent on it and you have it with you, why even bother buying the watch?

    1) ?Watch has it's own functions that don't need to have an iPhone tethered to be useful.

    2) There are a plethora of functions that are made easy by a wearable than a device you carry in your hand.
    You don't need to own an iPhone to use an iPad and vice versa. The smartphone was always going to be the most essential device and sell the most - it has sold over 500 million units.

    That sounds like a major reason as to why they designed the ?Watch to be reliant on the iPhone to get all its features… because hundreds of millions already use an iPhone.
  • Reply 99 of 102
    marvfoxmarvfox Posts: 2,275member

    This is the biggest joke Apple created this watch.Gimme a Rolex any day.Big deal a small computer on your wrist.

  • Reply 100 of 102
    crowleycrowley Posts: 6,046member
    Big deal a clock on your wrist. Big deal a computer in your phone. Big deal anything and everything.
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