Apple Watch, AirDrop, iBeacon & Continuity coax advanced features from Bluetooth & WiFi

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  • Reply 41 of 83
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

     

    RE: Waterproofing...

    If you're a klutz and want your iPhone waterproofed, then get done. There's services that waterproof your device, there are many cases on the market, and even a ziplock bag will do the trick. There isn't any absolute guarantee that any kind of "waterproofing" is going to work. Even Samsung's phones that say they're waterproofed come with a disclaimer about being water damaged. 


     

    I once tried to use my iPhone for underwater photography, using a case that was basically a fancy ziplock bag.  I found that the capacitive touch didn't work well in salt water, particularly more than a few feet down.

  • Reply 42 of 83
    cnocbui wrote: »
    So when Airdrop finally allows you to transfer files between a Mac and iOS devices, Apple will have caught up with a facility that has been available to users of non-iOS devices for ages.

    I very briefly had a Sony C905 phone in 2008 that just showed up on a WiFi network and allowed you to transfer files to and from via WiFi.  A very handy feature.

    Great to see Apple is leading the way as usual.  I can't wait until they make the worlds first waterproof phone.

    And how did that work out for Sony? And you could do all that on a huge 2.4" screen - amazing... could you actually open and read all types of files? I think not...
  • Reply 43 of 83
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MazeCookie View Post

     



    Yes, the merchant brings a portal NFC terminal.



    In the UK, I can go to many restaurants and when I pay the bill and ask to pay by card, they just bring over the terminal (that has chip + pin, and swipe too), and if you have a contactless card, you just hold it for a couple of seconds near it and that's it. The same terminal will work with Apple Pay.

     

    Of course not every merchant has one of these yet, but many cafes, retailers and eateries are beginning to use them.

     

    From what I have read, the Apple Watch, once authorised, can be used for Apple Pay even after your iPhone has ran out of battery (and then once it stops detecting your heart rate, it is automatically deauthorised). But as far as I'm aware Apple hasn't said anything official yet, so this could be wrong.


     

    Other option is via Opentable and the App, for participating Restaurants. I see this growing quickly. 

     

     

    http://press.opentable.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=869974

    http://pay.opentable.com/#where-it-works

  • Reply 44 of 83
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,384member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

     

    So when Airdrop finally allows you to transfer files between a Mac and iOS devices, Apple will have caught up with a facility that has been available to users of non-iOS devices for ages.

     

    I very briefly had a Sony C905 phone in 2008 that just showed up on a WiFi network and allowed you to transfer files to and from via WiFi.  A very handy feature.

     

    Great to see Apple is leading the way as usual.  I can't wait until they make the worlds first waterproof phone.


     

    One of the shittiest, most ignorant trolls I've ever read. "Caught up"? You could do this with the first iPhone in 2007, as long as you jailbroke it. These are all wifi devices, so obviously it's possible to transfer shit over wifi, it's just that Apple does not expose the iOS file system by default. It has nothing to do with the technology. I also doubt your 2008 sony used bluetooth 4.0 to automatically detect proximity of the device. But hey, don't let that stop your deeply ignorant and snarky comments.

     

    Congrats to your 2008 Sony. Maybe you should switch back to it, since current iPhones seem to have an embarrassing feature set compared to that Godly model. 

  • Reply 45 of 83
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,384member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    I see Leo Laporte is on the Apple hate bandwagon again. On his radio show he said the Apple Watch would be a dud. I love it when people underestimate Apple (and Tim Cook). It's not like they haven't been through this before. Every new Apple product has been predicted to fail. Some how I have a feeling Apple will be getting the last laugh.

     

    Leo Laporte has been an irrelevant dinosaur for a log time, with mind-numbingly ignorant and insight-free analysis. I'm pretty sure he predicted a bunch of other Apple products to be duds, which turned out to be a massive success. I'd be more concerned if he predicted the Apple Watch to be a success. 

     

    What blows my mind is how these no-nothings are so vain and smug as to proclaim something that Apple has obviously been developing, and thinking deeply about for years a "dud", as if in a couple minutes they've made more astute determinations than the shitload of extremely talented people who have been working on the product for so long. It's really such a childish prediction, devoid of any humility or perspective. It's not like EVERY SINGLE CRITICISM levelled at the Apple Watch so far havent been deeply considered by Apple during its development phase. 

  • Reply 46 of 83

    This all sounds like a bit of a mess, where using standard protocols and chips requires cobbling together a bunch of different solutions to get one that has all the benefits.  With so many protocols going on at once, it's hard to guarantee security and reliability.  If this is the best way to do it at this point in time, though, this certainly  gives an integrated vendor such as Apple a big advantage.

  • Reply 47 of 83
    Another thing ...

    At the end of the keynote, Tim said he used his AppleWatch to control his AppleTV.

    Likely, using WiFi, but possibly IR or BLE ...

    Something like a WiiMote ...


    My AppleTV can't do that!

    Yes, that was a notable comment from Cook. For me, it implied that the famous Jobs quote about having "cracked" the TV interface problem was wrong.
  • Reply 48 of 83
    Originally Posted by photodenk View Post

    Anyone know if Bluetooth 4.0 is required on a mac to take advantage of the continuity features? I'm having trouble finding a consistent answer online.

     

    How are you having trouble finding the answer? Who would lie about something like this? It’s 4 only.

  • Reply 49 of 83
    I was wondering why the %uF8FFWatch didn't do the N-spec of Wi-Fi. I thought this was because it just took to much power. But this article cleared it up. It's practically not even going to use Wi-Fi upfront, but behind the scenes, pretty cool...
  • Reply 50 of 83
    malax wrote: »
    If you watch the video with the woman making a payment using a credit card and then using ApplePay on an iPhone 6 -- it's kind of interesting. The woman had to dig in her purse to get out of her wallet and get the credit card out of the wallet. What they didn't show -- the woman would've had to dig in her purse to get out of the iPhone 6 to pay with ApplePay ... Not quite so convenient.


    With the AppleWatch, paying is totally convenient -- no digging or fumbling around ... Just tap your wrist [watch]. and pay ... Ping!
    Here's an exercise for the reader.  Right now from where you're sitting, grab your iPhone and turn it on.  How long did that take?  Probably a couple seconds since we use our phones almost continually.  Now time how long it takes to get your favorite credit card in hand.  It might be fairly quick, depending where you are, but I suspect for 98% of it, the iPhone was more convenient.

    Many people (adults with credit cards) don't walk or sit around with their iPhone in their hand (it's considered rude and anti-social) -- they keep it in their pocket or purse and pull it out when needed.

    So, my point is valid!
  • Reply 51 of 83
    wigby wrote: »
    Here's a big question that came up on another AI thread.


    Say, you are at a bar, coffee shop, casino or fine restaurant.


    You want to pay your bill using ApplePay.


    Does the merchant bring a portable NFC terminal to you? If so, where, when, how much for these NFC Terminals?



    Given that the likely answer is no -- how does the customer/merchant/cc provider take advantage of the security and convenience of ApplePay when they are not within bump range of the NFC POST?


    One way would be to use the WiFi on the iPhone to communicate with a nearby NFC POST terminal -- thus extending the bump range from several inches to, say, 50 yards or meters. The data transmitted would be the same, so security would not be compromised -- while convenience would be greatly enanced.


    The big question, is: If yur iPhone dies (or whatever), can the AppleWatch complete the transaction using its WiFi. (Assume that the AppleWatch has been pre-enabled for ApplePay using the iPhone TouchID.



    In a way, this is all very important -- else, we'll just give the waiter our cc to swipe ... literally!
    cnocbui wrote: »
     


    I really don't know what you are talking about.  The phone I mentioned I sold within a few weeks because I found the camera disappointing.  I lost about €15 on it.  I have been transferring photos, pdf's and music files between my Macs and phones via Bluetooth for the past 6 years.  Bluetooth file transfer is commonplace and is still going strong.
    No one knows what you're talking about. One moment you're criticizing Apple for falling behind and the next moment you're bragging about being able to transfer photos for past 6 years between your Macs and phones. Make up your mind.

    Maybe he is using that self-defecating humor /s
  • Reply 52 of 83

    This is a great article. I confess I don't understand much of it. I do have a 2013 MBA that I think will fill the bill; and an iPhone 5s to handle the iOS chores. I have a grandfathered AT&T cell plan that has unlimited data usage, but predictably, they will not give me a "tether" option on that. I'm reluctant to drop it in favor of a plan that allows tethering. It really isn't a huge deal to me just yet. But...given that Yosemite is due out NLT 12/21/14 (="this fall") and iOS8 in a few days, I'm sure I'll be able to try it all out...and all will be revealed.

     

    Can any tech savvy folks comment on whether or not a retrofit dongle can be made? Something that connects a pre-2011 mac to these services?

     

    Really good content here, AI.

  • Reply 53 of 83
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    Originally Posted by ksec View Post

     

    Well, how about an explanation to why not support Bluetooth 4.1?




    I am not sure when Bluetooth 4.1 standard became reality. I found this on ArsTechnica that discusses some of the issues and is dated 5 Dec 2013. I suspect after they have had sometime to verify that it adds value they will move forward if appropriate. From what I read it seems to at least cover some of the stuff Apple does but it wasn't at all clear abut the LE side and there were some definite concerns about RF interference.

     

    I can't say one way or another but when you have a SOC designed and have been batch testing it for a while you have to lock down the specs or you will end up with poorly tested devices with feature creep. We are already at a ship date of "early 2015" -- I suspect this would have moved that date by a far amount of time. Whose to say that Apple Watch 2 is not in development with BT 4.1 you are asking for?

     

     

    BTW:

    I trust Apple's Engineers, and know they have a solid path and set of protocols to get from a conversation and maybe a sketch on the back of an envelope, to a finely engineered and manufactured product (with an exception slipping through every once and awhile). I worked for Apple back in the 90's and witnessed an excellent team of engr's etc. but with the top mgmt being scattered on so damn many products it nearly killed Apple Computer, Inc. but Steve Jobs came back with the leadership needed and killed everything save 4 major product, $150 million from Microsoft along with an agreement to keep developing Office for the Mac. He also ultimately killed part of the original company name, the company which he founded with Woz (Mike Markkula) was Apple Computer, Inc. but it grew to so much more and became Apple, Inc. I think he groomed his top generals to work the right way -- steady pace, highest quality, unique products designed for the user and high profit margins (as I write this stock is at equivalent $714/share plus paying dividends). I am biased as an APPL share holder.

  • Reply 54 of 83
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

     

     

    Yes they have always lead the way and once they do show how it's done, everyone else clamors to change direction and chase after them while also adding extra trivial features and call it "innovative".

     

    File transfers didn't exist in iOS because the concept of "files" didn't exist. Apps had their own documents. With iOS 8, there will be access to "files" for the first time. This has nothing to do with whether Apple is capable of developing an OS that is able to handle the feature (obviously), but has everything to do with starting with an extremely secure system, then slowly figuring out how to open it more and more without sacrificing that security and privacy. This has been the design philosophy of iOS from the very beginning.

     

    RE: Waterproofing...

    If you're a klutz and want your iPhone waterproofed, then get done. There's services that waterproof your device, there are many cases on the market, and even a ziplock bag will do the trick. There isn't any absolute guarantee that any kind of "waterproofing" is going to work. Even Samsung's phones that say they're waterproofed come with a disclaimer about being water damaged. 


     

    Sherlock Holmes - in the 'Files that came in from the cold.'

  • Reply 55 of 83
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

     

     

    One of the shittiest, most ignorant trolls I've ever read. "Caught up"? You could do this with the first iPhone in 2007, as long as you jailbroke it. These are all wifi devices, so obviously it's possible to transfer shit over wifi, it's just that Apple does not expose the iOS file system by default. It has nothing to do with the technology. I also doubt your 2008 sony used bluetooth 4.0 to automatically detect proximity of the device. But hey, don't let that stop your deeply ignorant and snarky comments.

     

    Congrats to your 2008 Sony. Maybe you should switch back to it, since current iPhones seem to have an embarrassing feature set compared to that Godly model. 




    Hit a nerve, Snarkmeister?

  • Reply 56 of 83
    photodenk wrote: »
    Anyone know if Bluetooth 4.0 is required on a mac to take advantage of the continuity features? I'm having trouble finding a consistent answer online.

    Yes, BLE (4.0) is required -- didn't appear on most Macs until late 2011.

    BLE dongles do not work.
  • Reply 57 of 83
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    Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

     
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Roly View Post

     



    Oh wait, so it was available years ago on a now-obsolete phone. And how has the feature you mention been working out for Sony and Android recently? Did it catch on?

     

    Why would Apple make a waterproof phone? it's got to be a complete waste of effort and resources when 99.9999% of the population are not stupid enough to get their phone wet.




    Don't you get rain in Thailand?  We get lot's here, which is reason enough.

     

    Only 0.0001 % of people?  Is that why Apple put so many water damage stickers in iPhones?




    I am curious what your fantastic Sony phone battery life is like. I know the couple of Sony PDAs I had from them sucked (2-3 hours). I returned them and got my full refund since it was less than 30 days. Did it handle HFS+ files (bundles) correctly or did you have a slew of pcs. for each app, etc... How about FAT, FAT32, HFS files with separate data and rsrc forks? 

     

    My biggest question was what did you do with them on the Sony? Could you open an Office file, a PDF, Photoshop etc...?

     

    Maybe it did work as an expensive thumb drive ¡

  • Reply 58 of 83
    This is the kind of article that DED is best at... a comprehensive examination of some aspect of technology or interface, making it easier for people to understand, while keeping the propaganda to a minimum. :)
  • Reply 59 of 83
    normm wrote: »
    Here's a big question that came up on another AI thread.


    Say, you are at a bar, coffee shop, casino or fine restaurant.


    You want to pay your bill using ApplePay.


    Does the merchant bring a portable NFC terminal to you? If so, where, when, how much for these NFC Terminals?

    Every iPhone or iPad with NFC can be a portable NFC terminal, if it's given the right software.

    That's the other shoe that Apple hasn't dropped yet.

    It could be something as simple as an iPod with NFC (no cell radio, etc.).

    I've read that a NFC Terminal costs about $1,200 US ... if so, there's room for NFC iDevices used as anything from a dumb NFC Terminal (reader) -- to a complete NFC/POST at very reasonable prices.
  • Reply 60 of 83
    eightzero wrote: »
    This is a great article. I confess I don't understand much of it. I do have a 2013 MBA that I think will fill the bill; and an iPhone 5s to handle the iOS chores. I have a grandfathered AT&T cell plan that has unlimited data usage, but predictably, they will not give me a "tether" option on that. I'm reluctant to drop it in favor of a plan that allows tethering. It really isn't a huge deal to me just yet. But...given that Yosemite is due out NLT 12/21/14 (="this fall") and iOS8 in a few days, I'm sure I'll be able to try it all out...and all will be revealed.

    Can any tech savvy folks comment on whether or not a retrofit dongle can be made? Something that connects a pre-2011 mac to these services?

    Really good content here, AI.

    I have a mid 2011 iMac 27". OS X Yosemite (all betas) see the dongle but do not support it for HandOff, HealthKit, etc.

    I don't know about recent updates to Mavericks.
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