You asked people to show you where Samsung stole 64bit technology. It's an impossible question to answer as Samsung is so far behind they don't even have one out yet. It's like asking someone to prove God doesn't exist. It's not possible, and it doesn't make you correct because nobody can show any proof.
What we do know is that Samsung is a thief who steals IP from anyone they can. That's been their modus operandi long before the Apple/Samsung cases. And I guarantee you when Samsung does finally release a 64bit processor that Apple will look it over very carefully to see if they borrowed any Apple IP. And unlike design patents or other concepts that can be vague, it would be very easy to prove if Samsung used Apple IP in something physical (and complex) like a processor.
As stupid as Samsung appears, I doubt they would use Apple IP. It would completely destroy their credibility in the eyes of all the other companies (like Qualcomm) who get them to fab their chips. It would be catastrophic to their fab business.
And this is why Samsung DOESN'T have a 64bit processor - they lack the ability to design one, and their hands are tied when it comes to borrowing Apple IP to jump start their 64bit program. I'm sure they'd LOVE to use their old tricks, but in this case the consequences would be too severe for them to risk it.
It's great that the A8 is being made by TMSC. The loss in revenue for a year will hurt Samsung bad. The revenue help Samsung fund the mobile phone development and without their margins will disappear.
The other question is who makes the screen? I may have missed it but I haven't seen any information on that yet.
And this is why Samsung DOESN'T have a 64bit processor - they lack the ability to design one, and their hands are tied when it comes to borrowing Apple IP to jump start their 64bit program. I'm sure they'd LOVE to use their old tricks, but in this case the consequences would be too severe for them to risk it.
Qualcomm, Nvidia and Samsung will all release 64Bit CPU's, this year. Samsung also doesn't lack the ability, that's ridiculous to even say, I have no love for the company but come on. Their first marketed 64bit CPU will be the Exynos 7420, I say marketed because the Exynos 5433 in the Note 4 actually is a 64Bit processor but those features have been disabled. Just do a little research on the matter, I gave you the chip names.
Qualcomm, Nvidia and Samsung will all release 64Bit CPU's, this year. <span style="line-height:1.4em;">Samsung also doesn't lack the ability, that's ridiculous to even say, I have no love for the company but come on. Their first marketed 64bit CPU will be the </span> Exynos 7420, I say marketed because the Exynos 5433 in the Note 4 actually is a 64Bit processor but those features have been disabled. Just do a little research on the matter, I gave you the chip names.
You asked people to show you where Samsung stole 64bit technology. It's an impossible question to answer as Samsung is so far behind they don't even have one out yet. It's like asking someone to prove God doesn't exist. It's not possible, and it doesn't make you correct because nobody can show any proof.
What we do know is that Samsung is a thief who steals IP from anyone they can. That's been their modus operandi long before the Apple/Samsung cases. And I guarantee you when Samsung does finally release a 64bit processor that Apple will look it over very carefully to see if they borrowed any Apple IP. And unlike design patents or other concepts that can be vague, it would be very easy to prove if Samsung used Apple IP in something physical (and complex) like a processor.
As stupid as Samsung appears, I doubt they would use Apple IP. It would completely destroy their credibility in the eyes of all the other companies (like Qualcomm) who get them to fab their chips. It would be catastrophic to their fab business.
And this is why Samsung DOESN'T have a 64bit processor - they lack the ability to design one, and their hands are tied when it comes to borrowing Apple IP to jump start their 64bit program. I'm sure they'd LOVE to use their old tricks, but in this case the consequences would be too severe for them to risk it.
You keep on proving my points for me. Not only do neither you, nor anyone else, have any proof whatsoever that Samungs semiconductor manufacturing has ever stolen and benefited from IP used in products they manufacture for others, you have also laid out a reasoned argument as to why they wouldn't. There is no point in stealing something you can't use.
You are wrong. Samsung does have a 64bit processor - the Exynos 5433 in the international version of the Note 4. It is currently running in 32bit mode, possibly because Android L isn't out yet. Whether Samsung designed it or not - someone must have.
Thanks, I already know about it though, it's not really anything to get excited about just yet. The same reason why Samsung didn't turn on the 64Bit support in the Note 4 is because Android doesn't support it yet. The HTC is basically acting like a 32bit machine. Google will release "L" next month, at the same time they will release the first Android 64Bit tablet, the Nexus 9, which will contain the Nvidia Denver and 4GB of RAM. If that isn't crazy enough that CPU clocks in at 2.5GHZ and has twice the L1 cache and four times the L2 cache than Apples A8. The real 64,000 question will be the battery life. NVIDIA claims that it is better then the current 32BIT version, we will just have to wait and see. I will defiantly be buying a development board, love My current K1 dev board, I can encode an entire BueRay image using it's 192 Cuda cores and Nvidias DEV apps in under 40 minutes. In the past when I used my dual CPU Xeon workstation it took an hour and a half. This is something real special, if you render graphics this is a must. Two boards is more powerful then say a Quadra 5000.
I'm not so interested in 64Bit Android as I am with using it with Linux. The Jetson, name of the dev board comes with a running copy of Ubuntu as well as some pretty neat dev apps, like the Nvidia encoder, much, much faster then Adobes offering as it utilizes the full power of the friggen GPU, how cool is that. Apples A8 is no doubt a great SOC but the Nvidia Denver is a geeks wet dream with all of that open source goodness to play with. Ubuntu is just okay but I'm going to connect a 64 GB SanDisk SSD I have lying around and install Arch Linux on it. It's small and powerful enough to use it as portable workstation/server.
So if Apple can find a better screen manufacturer this could hurt them even more. With a sapphire plant opening up *maybe* this manufacturer can be Apple themselves.
No. LG and Japan display do. Sony is rumored to be in negotiations to build apple displays too.
So when Samsung made the 64 bit A7 - where is there any evidence they stole any of the IP or even so much as let other parts of the conglomerate know that Apple's next processor would be 64 bit?
In there recent trial they shared sealed court documents that were privileged info and posted it on a company wide server and shared it with the ceo and management team. They got severely reprimanded in court for that and should have been sanctioned. I wouldn't trust them with anything, they have been proven time and time again to be very very dishonest in all of there dealings with other companies in a manufacturing capacity. There CEO is a convicted felon and if he ever goes to india again he has an outstanding arrest order on him there for cheating an indian business and failing to pay for services rendered in the millions.
According to the wiki page on TSMC they fab chips for qualcomm, mediatek, apple and others. I had no idea they were such a large producer.
"In August 2014, it was reported that TSMC's production capacity for the fourth quarter of 2014 was already almost fully booked, a scenario that had not occurred for many years. The tight capacity was described as being caused by a ripple-effect due to TSMC landing CPU orders from Apple, which has also brought in other peripheral IC orders for iPhone, iPad and iWatch devices. This has forced chip suppliers for mobile devices to scramble for more wafer production capacity.[43]"
Seems like there is plenty of global demand for chips in general, there should be ample table scraps for samsung to fill pipeline demands not met by companies like TSMC.
TSMC manufactures about 60 to 70% of the worlds asic's. They are by far the worlds largest independent semiconductor foundry. Intel is next with samsung at a distant third.
Indeed, apple should invest more in US jobs. It is a US company after all. Maybe repatriate some cash and pay a little bit of taxes too while they are at it. Seems like the right thing to do anyway, they are the largest company in the world after all. They can afford to do the right thing better than any company on the planet.
They did they manufacture 2 lines of computers here now. Not to mention the new sapphire plants and there data centers. Tim Cook has stated repeatedly that apple will bring back to the us as many jobs as it can. Look at the new apple campuses in austin texas.
What happened with Apple is not unique. Samsung did the exact same thing to Sony over a decade ago. And they have done it to many other companies as well. Partner. Pilfer. Profit. This is Samsung's (very successful) modus operandi.
In there recent trial they shared sealed court documents that were privileged info and posted it on a company wide server and shared it with the ceo and management team. They got severely reprimanded in court for that and should have been sanctioned. I wouldn't trust them with anything, they have been proven time and time again to be very very dishonest in all of there dealings with other companies in a manufacturing capacity. There CEO is a convicted felon and if he ever goes to india again he has an outstanding arrest order on him there for cheating an indian business and failing to pay for services rendered in the millions.
The situation in India appears to be a case of an Indian court getting on it's high horse and basically summoning Samsung's CEO, even though the case does not appear to involve him directly. It is as if an Indian court were to issue a summons on Tim Cook because an Indian business claimed an Apple subsidiary in Oman owed them money. And it's not millions, it's $1.4 million and involves a subsidiary - Samsung Gulf Electronics - who in turn are alleging that they were the victims of a multi million dollar fraud.
Apple has an entire team of engineers that actually work out of space in the Samsung fabs. They work hand-in-hand with Samsung engineers when producing processors.
Sheesh...what a load of clown antics. I thought AI was better than this. It's astonishing how little business savvy is exhibited here. Business is business and PR is PR and despite what some people here wish, Apple will(and does) make deals with their enemies, shaft it's friends and still play for the high moral ground. Sometimes it's justified, other times not....just like many other big corporations. Product is king and nothing else matters. Keep your enemies close and your friends on a short leash. If you think Apple wouldn't make a deal in the future to get cutting edge technology from Samsung, you've lost the plot.
Qualcomm, Nvidia and Samsung will all release 64Bit CPU's, this year. <span style="line-height:1.4em;">Samsung also doesn't lack the ability, that's ridiculous to even say, I have no love for the company but come on. Their first marketed 64bit CPU will be the </span> Exynos 7420, I say marketed because the Exynos 5433 in the Note 4 actually is a 64Bit processor but those features have been disabled. Just do a little research on the matter, I gave you the chip names.
Those are ARM processors using the A53/A57. Let me know when Samsung designs their own custom processor, which is what Apple did with the A7/A8.
The Nvidia K1 is a custom 64bit processor. Qualcomm, who used to tweak ARM designs to improve them is now also falling back to using A53/A57 cores.
Thanks NHT, though I already discussed and stated that the Exynos 5433, the CPU used in the Samsung Note, was a 64Bit CPU before being neutered, it's now a 32Bit chip, which makes more sense as the 64Bit android version hasn't been released yet. Though the 2 x 32Bit memory controller still remains and after checking out the benchmarks for Note 4 i have to say it's performance is pretty stellar. The A8 is still faster and I don't think the performance would have changed much if the Eynos 5433 remained at 64 Bit.
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Thank you for proving my points for me.
Prove what, that you're a troll?
You asked people to show you where Samsung stole 64bit technology. It's an impossible question to answer as Samsung is so far behind they don't even have one out yet. It's like asking someone to prove God doesn't exist. It's not possible, and it doesn't make you correct because nobody can show any proof.
What we do know is that Samsung is a thief who steals IP from anyone they can. That's been their modus operandi long before the Apple/Samsung cases. And I guarantee you when Samsung does finally release a 64bit processor that Apple will look it over very carefully to see if they borrowed any Apple IP. And unlike design patents or other concepts that can be vague, it would be very easy to prove if Samsung used Apple IP in something physical (and complex) like a processor.
As stupid as Samsung appears, I doubt they would use Apple IP. It would completely destroy their credibility in the eyes of all the other companies (like Qualcomm) who get them to fab their chips. It would be catastrophic to their fab business.
And this is why Samsung DOESN'T have a 64bit processor - they lack the ability to design one, and their hands are tied when it comes to borrowing Apple IP to jump start their 64bit program. I'm sure they'd LOVE to use their old tricks, but in this case the consequences would be too severe for them to risk it.
It's great that the A8 is being made by TMSC. The loss in revenue for a year will hurt Samsung bad. The revenue help Samsung fund the mobile phone development and without their margins will disappear.
The other question is who makes the screen? I may have missed it but I haven't seen any information on that yet.
And this is why Samsung DOESN'T have a 64bit processor - they lack the ability to design one, and their hands are tied when it comes to borrowing Apple IP to jump start their 64bit program. I'm sure they'd LOVE to use their old tricks, but in this case the consequences would be too severe for them to risk it.
Qualcomm, Nvidia and Samsung will all release 64Bit CPU's, this year. Samsung also doesn't lack the ability, that's ridiculous to even say, I have no love for the company but come on. Their first marketed 64bit CPU will be the Exynos 7420, I say marketed because the Exynos 5433 in the Note 4 actually is a 64Bit processor but those features have been disabled. Just do a little research on the matter, I gave you the chip names.
http://rtn.asia/t-t/8642/meet-htc-desire-820-price-20k-indias-first-64-bit-android-phone
Prove what, that you're a troll?
You asked people to show you where Samsung stole 64bit technology. It's an impossible question to answer as Samsung is so far behind they don't even have one out yet. It's like asking someone to prove God doesn't exist. It's not possible, and it doesn't make you correct because nobody can show any proof.
What we do know is that Samsung is a thief who steals IP from anyone they can. That's been their modus operandi long before the Apple/Samsung cases. And I guarantee you when Samsung does finally release a 64bit processor that Apple will look it over very carefully to see if they borrowed any Apple IP. And unlike design patents or other concepts that can be vague, it would be very easy to prove if Samsung used Apple IP in something physical (and complex) like a processor.
As stupid as Samsung appears, I doubt they would use Apple IP. It would completely destroy their credibility in the eyes of all the other companies (like Qualcomm) who get them to fab their chips. It would be catastrophic to their fab business.
And this is why Samsung DOESN'T have a 64bit processor - they lack the ability to design one, and their hands are tied when it comes to borrowing Apple IP to jump start their 64bit program. I'm sure they'd LOVE to use their old tricks, but in this case the consequences would be too severe for them to risk it.
You keep on proving my points for me. Not only do neither you, nor anyone else, have any proof whatsoever that Samungs semiconductor manufacturing has ever stolen and benefited from IP used in products they manufacture for others, you have also laid out a reasoned argument as to why they wouldn't. There is no point in stealing something you can't use.
You are wrong. Samsung does have a 64bit processor - the Exynos 5433 in the international version of the Note 4. It is currently running in 32bit mode, possibly because Android L isn't out yet. Whether Samsung designed it or not - someone must have.
I'm not so interested in 64Bit Android as I am with using it with Linux. The Jetson, name of the dev board comes with a running copy of Ubuntu as well as some pretty neat dev apps, like the Nvidia encoder, much, much faster then Adobes offering as it utilizes the full power of the friggen GPU, how cool is that. Apples A8 is no doubt a great SOC but the Nvidia Denver is a geeks wet dream with all of that open source goodness to play with. Ubuntu is just okay but I'm going to connect a 64 GB SanDisk SSD I have lying around and install Arch Linux on it. It's small and powerful enough to use it as portable workstation/server.
All we know is an iPhone has chips fabbed by TSMC. Not all of them.
Nope according to ifixits teardown not a single chip by samsung in the iPhone 6 or six plus, not even memory, there its elpida and sk hynix.
If Samsung leaves the US then someone else will buy the fab.
Samsung is not a reliable supplier because they steal the IP being developed for the client and this has had a negative impact on US companies.
From some of the news I have read tsmc has bought a chip fab in upstate new york or was rumored to have just recently.
Samsung still makes screens for Apple correct?
So if Apple can find a better screen manufacturer this could hurt them even more. With a sapphire plant opening up *maybe* this manufacturer can be Apple themselves.
No. LG and Japan display do. Sony is rumored to be in negotiations to build apple displays too.
Who?
So when Samsung made the 64 bit A7 - where is there any evidence they stole any of the IP or even so much as let other parts of the conglomerate know that Apple's next processor would be 64 bit?
In there recent trial they shared sealed court documents that were privileged info and posted it on a company wide server and shared it with the ceo and management team. They got severely reprimanded in court for that and should have been sanctioned. I wouldn't trust them with anything, they have been proven time and time again to be very very dishonest in all of there dealings with other companies in a manufacturing capacity. There CEO is a convicted felon and if he ever goes to india again he has an outstanding arrest order on him there for cheating an indian business and failing to pay for services rendered in the millions.
According to the wiki page on TSMC they fab chips for qualcomm, mediatek, apple and others. I had no idea they were such a large producer.
"In August 2014, it was reported that TSMC's production capacity for the fourth quarter of 2014 was already almost fully booked, a scenario that had not occurred for many years. The tight capacity was described as being caused by a ripple-effect due to TSMC landing CPU orders from Apple, which has also brought in other peripheral IC orders for iPhone, iPad and iWatch devices. This has forced chip suppliers for mobile devices to scramble for more wafer production capacity.[43]"
Seems like there is plenty of global demand for chips in general, there should be ample table scraps for samsung to fill pipeline demands not met by companies like TSMC.
TSMC manufactures about 60 to 70% of the worlds asic's. They are by far the worlds largest independent semiconductor foundry. Intel is next with samsung at a distant third.
Indeed, apple should invest more in US jobs. It is a US company after all. Maybe repatriate some cash and pay a little bit of taxes too while they are at it. Seems like the right thing to do anyway, they are the largest company in the world after all. They can afford to do the right thing better than any company on the planet.
They did they manufacture 2 lines of computers here now. Not to mention the new sapphire plants and there data centers. Tim Cook has stated repeatedly that apple will bring back to the us as many jobs as it can. Look at the new apple campuses in austin texas.
Samsung is a single company (regardless of divisions) run by a single family with a proven history of criminal activity.
Who says this?
Well, apart from the results of the most basic of searches, Samsung's former chief legal counsel for one:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/30/3709688/samsung-25-years-lee-kun-hee
What happened with Apple is not unique. Samsung did the exact same thing to Sony over a decade ago. And they have done it to many other companies as well. Partner. Pilfer. Profit. This is Samsung's (very successful) modus operandi.
And if you buy from them you support this.
They did it to dyson with there vacuum design.
Often some will get cut but many just get a new badge.
In there recent trial they shared sealed court documents that were privileged info and posted it on a company wide server and shared it with the ceo and management team. They got severely reprimanded in court for that and should have been sanctioned. I wouldn't trust them with anything, they have been proven time and time again to be very very dishonest in all of there dealings with other companies in a manufacturing capacity. There CEO is a convicted felon and if he ever goes to india again he has an outstanding arrest order on him there for cheating an indian business and failing to pay for services rendered in the millions.
The situation in India appears to be a case of an Indian court getting on it's high horse and basically summoning Samsung's CEO, even though the case does not appear to involve him directly. It is as if an Indian court were to issue a summons on Tim Cook because an Indian business claimed an Apple subsidiary in Oman owed them money. And it's not millions, it's $1.4 million and involves a subsidiary - Samsung Gulf Electronics - who in turn are alleging that they were the victims of a multi million dollar fraud.
The collaboration was vastly reduced for the A7.
The Exynos 5433 SoC is a 64 bit SoC.
It's astonishing how little business savvy is exhibited here. Business is business and PR is PR and despite what some people here wish, Apple will(and does) make deals with their enemies, shaft it's friends and still play for the high moral ground. Sometimes it's justified, other times not....just like many other big corporations.
Product is king and nothing else matters. Keep your enemies close and your friends on a short leash.
If you think Apple wouldn't make a deal in the future to get cutting edge technology from Samsung, you've lost the plot.
Those are ARM processors using the A53/A57. Let me know when Samsung designs their own custom processor, which is what Apple did with the A7/A8.
The Nvidia K1 is a custom 64bit processor. Qualcomm, who used to tweak ARM designs to improve them is now also falling back to using A53/A57 cores.
Thanks NHT, though I already discussed and stated that the Exynos 5433, the CPU used in the Samsung Note, was a 64Bit CPU before being neutered, it's now a 32Bit chip, which makes more sense as the 64Bit android version hasn't been released yet. Though the 2 x 32Bit memory controller still remains and after checking out the benchmarks for Note 4 i have to say it's performance is pretty stellar. The A8 is still faster and I don't think the performance would have changed much if the Eynos 5433 remained at 64 Bit.