First, dude we are talking about what customers want, and not really what they care about per se. I also said 64bit chips is what they would care less about, and not that they won't care about it at all.
How many iPhone users do you think care so much about the speed of the chip or its architecture anyway??
Everyone would want the price of a Ferrari to drop, but would it?
About iPhone's pricing, don't tell me you have no idea why they won't bring their prices down as much as you would want.
About battery life, they've addressed that to an extent. TBH I would have jumped off Apple's boat if they didn't do something about that in the iPhone 6.
About the screen, they make a pretty good case. That your eyes can't tell the pixels apart from a particular distance and blah blah blah.
Regardless of all this, they are not forcing the product on you. You can just move on if you don't want it.
That post may have been a victim of poor timing. One thread taking about a phone that bends another talking about an update that killed cellular data and Touch ID.
Don't have to... it will be done for me over the next few months.
You, on the other hand, can dodge the questions all you want because I know that you will never be able to answer them.
Besides... it's my opinion. I'm entitled to it.
And yet all those 5C were sold and the 5C was the #2 phone in the world for months in multiple markets.
The bottom line is do you TRUST APPLE'S JUDGEMENT? I do. They have proven right time and time again. And that's why they sell more and more iPhones each year. Stop allowing PERSONAL PREFERENCES to cloud your reason.
Oh... you're going there again, are you.
Citation for the 5C sales, please.
Hahahahaha... it didn't even show up in the big 4 US carrier top 3 sales from January 2014 on.
maestro64 wrote: »
This going to be interesting to watch, if they were so confident they had a better product and their was demand for their product, won't consumers wait and pay the price, they had no need to do this since Apple is just copying them.
mike eggleston wrote: »
Actually, I would kinda disagree with you there. The Apple of old (i.e. the Jobs Era), you would be absolutely correct. His Steveness never really listened to customers because he felt, and more often than not correctly, that they [customers] didn't really know what they wanted. As such, he usually dismissed the masses clamoring for Feature A, and instead gave polished products and features that people didn't know they wanted until Apple showed them.
That said, the Cook Era of Apple has been more receptive of customer requests. Things like Handoff between iOS and OS X, Family Sharing (something I have been asking for for years), and a few others that I know people have been wanting that have been added since Cook took over.
ninuola wrote: »
Samsung definitely caused this situation itself. They made Apple enter the territory they were dominating.
Instead of them to have subtly been selling their phones without insulting Apple's iPhones or customer base, they didn't. Thereby bringing Apple's customers and Apple's attention itself to their so called special features..
They insulted the iPhone about its small screen, the iPhone 6 & + has huge screens now.
They insulted the iPhone about its short battery span, the iPhone 6 & + has lots of battery juice to go around.
I hope they keep talking about the true multitasking and that split-screen use of their phones, and maybe apple will just have to release that next.
Welcome to the race to the bottom, Samsung.
Not the low-end feature-phone race. The smartphones-crushed-by-iPhone race.
You know, the race with Facebook, HTC, LG, Xiaomi, and all those other iPhone cloners.
Good. Luck. With. That.
It's clear that Samsung's phone / phablet release schedule has forever been disrupted. They used to release their phones halfway between iPhone releases, so the most recent iPhone release was 6 months in the past and the next iPhone release was 6 months in the future. They obviously thought that this was the "sweet spot," when the current iPhone model was no longer brand-spanking-new, the tech media was looking for web traffic in that huge between-iPhone-model-years lull, and the next iPhone model was too far away for people to wait for. (Same reason why movie studios release crappy movies in the spring. Because Oscar-contenders are released in the winter and potential blockbusters are released in the summer. No use releasing a crappy movie in either of those seasons.)
Or so they thought. Now, when Samsung releases a smartphone 6 months after each year's iPhone release, they benefit far less. Because that "newest smartphone on the market" halo works both ways. Each new iPhone model is released into a world of older iPhone models as well as older Samsung smartphone models. And also because Samsung is clearly trailing in both hardware and software technologically. Yup, still stuck with 32-bit CPUs and stuck on whatever Android release cycle Google decides is good enough. Still on 4.x I hear. The net effect is that Samsung can no longer even claim to be attempting to leapfrog Apple in either hardware or software. Especially now that Apple has trumped Samsung's big-ass screen marketing checklist item. (All they have left is the stylus, but only if you ignore the fact that there are plenty of very good aftermarket styli available for iPhone and iPad.)
So what does Samsung do? They rush the release of their phones and phablets, so they won't be perceived as trailing Apple too far in terms of time-to-market. And, frankly, moving the schedule up isn't all that hard. Not much real development between Samsung smartphone generations any more. And Google seems to be happy leaving Android at 4.x. Just like Palm left Palm OS at 5.x for all those years. And we all know how that turned out for Palm.
But who is the new release schedule going to fool? Clueless first-time smartphone buyers looking for the newest smartphone? Maybe. Clueless buyers can be influenced by cell company store sales associates. Cheapskates looking for a "free" smartphone? Not so much. Apple has had "free" low-end previous-generation iPhones for years. The 5C is this year's "free" iPhone. The cheapskates have been trained to expect "free" phones from Apple every year.
No, there's just nowhere for Samsung to hide. If they release their smartphones months after each new iPhone is released, they'll (potentially) lose sales to the brand-new iPhone model. If they release their smartphones at the same general time that each new iPhone is released, their marketing and ads will be overwhelmed by iPhone buzz and they'll lose (potential) sales to iPhone anyway.
So yeah, welcome to the race to the bottom, Samsung.
Your only choice, now, is to drop prices.
Xiaomi is waiting down there for you.
So what does Samsung do?
umm, sell tons of phones?
Umm, at low prices?
You know, race-to-the-bottom-to-try-beating-Xiaomi-for-volume-prices?
waterrockets wrote: »
umm, sell tons of phones?
dasanman69 wrote: »
And I'll spot the person with no integrity. Is it so hard to say that SJ was mistaken? There's nothing wrong with being wrong. Call a spade a spade. Don't come with some 'outdated' BS.
waterrockets wrote: »
umm, sell tons of phones?
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Here's a plot for you: "Samsung at Two-Year Low Lures Templeton Global Funds"
So, yeah, the Edge and the Note 4 really didn't help Samsung's stock much.
Maybe, I don't really care how Samsung does, as I've never owned one of their smartphones, and won't be buying one, but every chart out there shows them selling more and more phones each year.
The Note 4 is going to hit the market at ~$700 unlocked, which seems about right vs. a $600 S5. I'm not seeing how releasing a product ahead of schedule signals some sort of impending doom. Apple and Samsung will continue to dominate in the US for the next couple of years.
Exactly. And here are some links for further reading:
"Samsung at Two-Year Low Lures Templeton Global Funds"
"... Samsung has lost 16 percent this year amid competition for mobile phone sales from Apple Inc. and cheaper Chinese and Indian producers."
"They’ll have to work through a period where they get less profit out of smartphones at some point over the next three to five years ..."
"Does Samsung Need Crisis Management?"
"... ineffective product differentiation sparks margin erosion and a decline in market share."
"Profitability is deteriorating more steeply than expected ..."
"Samsung Has a Bigger Problem Than Apple"
"... Google regularly undercuts Samsung's offerings ..."
"... they have no operating system differentiation."
... I'm not seeing how releasing a product ahead of schedule signals some sort of impending doom. Apple and Samsung will continue to dominate in the US for the next couple of years.
Impending doom? You want impending doom?
See my post on the previous page. With the links pointing to Samsung's stock losses, lack of product differentiation, steeper smartphone profitability declines than anticipated, etc.
Try to spin that.
[Update here's an excerpt from my previous post.]
Maybe they're on the way out, maybe they aren't. I'm not a direct shareholder, so I really don't care. My prediction is that you'll have Samsung phones to complain about for years to come.
nht wrote: »
Because what you posted is bs and everyone here knows it.
It's like quoting Steve about nobody reads anymore in 2008 when iBooks launched in 2010.
Or quoting Steve about how tablets will fail because everyone wants keyboards in 2003.
Or quoting Steve about how he wasn't convinced people want to watch video on an iPod in 2003 before launching a video iPod in 2005.
And there's several more examples of Steve saying one thing when he absolutely knew what was being worked on in his most secret labs.
Either this guy was the most clueless visionary ever or he sandbagged a lot.
Gee I wonder which one it was and who the fucking troll is. Call a spade a spade indeed.
I don't quite buy that.
The 4.7... sure.
The 5.5... I heard more people saying that was too big than I heard anyone saying it's a great size.
Samsung showed that it was a viable size.
Personally, I think the 5.5 was a stupid idea.
"It's the OS!"
Once a "stupid" idea can sell 5 million+ products un 24 hours, everyone wants to have that "stupid" idea.