Apple overhauls employee benefits with longer parental leave, improved education reimbursements

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  • Reply 21 of 45
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    realistic wrote: »
    You have a weird, flawed and very pessimist view of the business world, if not the world in general.

    Weird? Flawed? Pessimistic?

    The business giant, Andy Grove had a philosophy that served him well during his leadership at Intel: "Only the paranoid survive."

    Just a daily reminder that you could make a series of bad business decisions or external pressures could lead to the downfall of your company are worth keeping in mind when you have a business.
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  • Reply 22 of 45
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,928member
    You're saying that giving people more time off...away from work...makes them more productive? How does that work?

    Would you work for a company that gives you 1 week of vacation or one that gives you 3 weeks of vacation? All else being equal. Do you want people to burn out or quit?

    It's about retaining your employees while attracting potential ones.
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  • Reply 23 of 45
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    jungmark wrote: »
    Would you work for a company that gives you 1 week of vacation or one that gives you 3 weeks of vacation? All else being equal. Do you want people to burn out or quit?

    It's about retaining your employees while attracting potential ones.

    Quite honestly, most large companies have been forced to get rid of full-time permanent employees due to legal liabilities and other competitive pressures. Considering the high number of negatives (from the employers perspective) most people are lucky to have any kind of job.
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  • Reply 24 of 45
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    Keeping a startup mentality is a very good idea no matter how big the company. The alternative is... Microsoft.

     

    Anyone who has EVER been in a real god damn start-up wouldn't say that. You can't stay in a start-up mentality more than 2-3 years.

     

    I've been in 3 start-ups in 25 years and let me tell you, you cannot handle it at flame out level for more than 2-3 years. Simply IMPOSSIBLE.

     

    Neither, Google, Apple., Amazon or Facebook are close to being run like start-ups internally these days. In the case of Apple, it hasn't been run like a real start-up since the early 1980s and the case of Google, probably around 2004. Stretching the definition of start-up I could maybe believe a 1998-2002 Apple being run as a "startup-up". But, hey, I knew people at Apple then and non worked as hard as I did...

     

    When you have so many employees, cohesion that exists in a start-up by the fact you are small and know everyone collapses and keeping people motivated becomes a much larger issue. Many tech companies with weak supporting departments, especially HR, have collapsed under their own weight.

     

    The core of a company, can sort of look like a pseudo start-up because of the high cohesiveness due to small number of people involved and the fact they're mostly all equally important to the success of the company individually. This is the kind of structure that can work even in large Tech firms and looks a bit what happens of Apples hierarchy.

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  • Reply 25 of 45
    jkichlinejkichline Posts: 1,369member
    maestro64 wrote: »
    Nice to have, but you know as soon as Apple runs into a down turn in business it will all go away. Company should never give what they can not support in both good and bad times. When things get bad and you take these kinds of perks then people tend to leave even faster and the good people leave first.

    I think with hundreds of billions in the bank, they just might be able to swing it.
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  • Reply 26 of 45
    idreyidrey Posts: 647member
    Well I can clearly see that no matter what Apple does, no one will ever be satisfy. No matter what!
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  • Reply 27 of 45
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post





    Would you work for a company that gives you 1 week of vacation or one that gives you 3 weeks of vacation? All else being equal. Do you want people to burn out or quit?



    It's about retaining your employees while attracting potential ones.

    Exactly.



    Apple are trying to compete with Facebook, Netflix, Google et al for talent in Silicon Valley, and need to make sure they have benefits that will attract people.



    When I'm hiring, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to beat Apple to the same person, partially because Apple is known to have a poor work life balance.

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  • Reply 28 of 45
    atlappleatlapple Posts: 496member

    Having always worked for very large companies it's nice to see one giving more to it's employees rather than taking away benefits. 

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  • Reply 29 of 45
    stourquestourque Posts: 365member
    You're saying that giving people more time off...away from work...makes them more productive? How does that work?

    Why don't you ask Richard Branson. He seems pretty successful.
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  • Reply 30 of 45
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    maestro64 wrote: »
    Nice to have, but you know as soon as Apple runs into a down turn in business it will all go away. Company should never give what they can not support in both good and bad times. When things get bad and you take these kinds of perks then people tend to leave even faster and the good people leave first.

    Wow ... negative much? IMHO ... I don't see Apple is going to have many down times in the next few decades ...
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  • Reply 31 of 45
    chiachia Posts: 715member
    You're saying that giving people more time off...away from work...makes them more productive? How does that work?

    So are you suggesting the more time people spend at work the more productive they will be?

    In which case chain them to their workstation and restrain them from all non-work activities such as sleeping, eating and going to the toilet.
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  • Reply 32 of 45
    ochymingochyming Posts: 474member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    Quite honestly, most large companies have been forced to get rid of full-time permanent employees due to legal liabilities and other competitive pressures. Considering the high number of negatives (from the employers perspective) most people are lucky to have any kind of job.

     

    You are insane.

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  • Reply 33 of 45
    chris_cachris_ca Posts: 2,543member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Maestro64 View Post



    Nice to have, but you know as soon as Apple runs into a down turn in business it will all go away. Company should never give what they can not support in both good and bad times. 

    So they should not hire additional employees when they are growing?

    or give pay raises?

    or benefits? (this article)

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  • Reply 34 of 45
    heliahelia Posts: 170member

    Now that is something the competitors won't ever copy :)

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  • Reply 35 of 45
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    Quite honestly, most large companies have been forced to get rid of full-time permanent employees due to legal liabilities and other competitive pressures. Considering the high number of negatives (from the employers perspective) most people are lucky to have any kind of job.

     

    Wow. Stop digging, the hole you are in is deep enough.

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  • Reply 36 of 45
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Maestro64 View Post



    Nice to have, but you know as soon as Apple runs into a down turn in business it will all go away. Company should never give what they can not support in both good and bad times. When things get bad and you take these kinds of perks then people tend to leave even faster and the good people leave first.

    So give them close to nothing to start with &  they will stick around until you give them less than that?

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  • Reply 37 of 45
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by Splif View Post

    Wow. Stop digging, the hole you are in is deep enough.



    What’s incorrect about what he said?

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  • Reply 38 of 45
    kibitzerkibitzer Posts: 1,114member
    Agreed. Unless actual competitive pressures push a company to offer richer "perks," there is no reason for a company to throw money away.

    You must not think much of the minimum wage either. Say, didn't you once work for Dunder Mifflin?????
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  • Reply 39 of 45
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    foggyhill wrote: »
    Anyone who has EVER been in a real god damn start-up wouldn't say that. You can't stay in a start-up mentality more than 2-3 years.

    I've been in 3 start-ups in 25 years and let me tell you, you cannot handle it at flame out level for more than 2-3 years. Simply IMPOSSIBLE.

    Neither, Google, Apple., Amazon or Facebook are close to being run like start-ups internally these days. In the case of Apple, it hasn't been run like a real start-up since the early 1980s and the case of Google, probably around 2004. Stretching the definition of start-up I could maybe believe a 1998-2002 Apple being run as a "startup-up". But, hey, I knew people at Apple then and non worked as hard as I did...

    When you have so many employees, cohesion that exists in a start-up by the fact you are small and know everyone collapses and keeping people motivated becomes a much larger issue. Many tech companies with weak supporting departments, especially HR, have collapsed under their own weight.

    The core of a company, can sort of look like a pseudo start-up because of the high cohesiveness due to small number of people involved and the fact they're mostly all equally important to the success of the company individually. This is the kind of structure that can work even in large Tech firms and looks a bit what happens of Apples hierarchy.

    I've been in 2 startups in less than 20 years and disagree with your assessment.
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  • Reply 40 of 45
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    chia wrote: »
    So are you suggesting the more time people spend at work the more productive they will be?

    In which case chain them to their workstation and restrain them from all non-work activities such as sleeping, eating and going to the toilet.

    If you're not actually doing anything, you're not being productive, now are you?
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