...when it breaks continuity with all Macs older than two years.
In what way does it do that?
It doesn't work on them.
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost
It doesn't work on them.
Nothing is "broken". Nothing is even changed. Try again.
Handoff requires Bluetooth 4, which is only found on Macs released in the past two years. Therefore, Handoff doesn't work for all Macs older than that.
Handoff requires Bluetooth 4, which is only found on Macs released in the past two years. Therefore, Handoff doesn't work for all Macs older than that.
Handoff requires Bluetooth 4, which is only found on Macs released in the past two years. Therefore, Handoff doesn't work for all Macs older than that.
You're claiming that compatibility with older models is broken. It never existed. Nothing can be broken if it never happened. There is no functionality being removed or changed for any older model.
You're claiming that compatibility with older models is broken. It never existed. Nothing can be broken if it never happened. There is no functionality being removed or changed for any older model.
I never said there was. But in order to gain some of the newer functions like Handoff, you need to buy a Mac that is two years old or less. I think most would consider the life of a Mac rather longer than two years.
You're claiming that compatibility with older models is broken. It never existed. Nothing can be broken if it never happened. There is no functionality being removed or changed for any older model.
Not true. If Messages worked under Mavericks with the exact same hardware, then yes, the implementation has been broken.
And again, it works perfectly fine. Something went wrong with the settings in the install. Just fix it.
Very helpful indeed.
I can assure you that I have looked into this, and my Mac is not supported. I rolled back to Mavericks and BOOM, messages worked. Reinstalled Yosemite, and what-do-you-know NO Messages. Instead of blindly defending something that works for YOU, here's a thought: Make a helpful suggestion. "Just fix it" isn't as helpful as it is insulting.
I can assure you that I have looked into this, and my Mac is not supported. I rolled back to Mavericks and BOOM, messages worked. Reinstalled Yosemite, and what-do-you-know NO Messages. Instead of blindly defending something that works for YOU, here's a thought: Make a helpful suggestion. "Just fix it" isn't as helpful as it is insulting.
Okay, let's be clear. Are you referring to the ability to send SMS via OS X or Messages overall? I'm reading the latter from your posts.
Okay, let's be clear. Are you referring to the ability to send SMS via OS X or Messages overall? I'm reading the latter from your posts.
I cannot send or receive messages on the iMac. No amount of tinkering has enabled this. There is no Handoff option to enable in the settings under General. There is also no option to receive / place calls through my iPhone on the iMac. I mentioned this in this forum hoping perhaps that someone might have alternate suggestions.
Also, to be honest, when I rolled back to Mavericks, it felt stale compared to Yosemite.
I am as FUD adverse as you, so I got my hackles up when you accused me of it.
1. Very few people would buy and connect a bluetooth 4.0 dongle simply for handoff.
2. It probably is not worth it for Apple to test and make sure that handoff works on 500 different bluetooth adapters. Waste of resources and time.
3. If they advertise this as an option, and there's reliability issues (which there would be, obviously) then the blame will fall on Apple. Better to just bypass that scenario altogether.
5. Yes, I'm sure Apple wouldn't mind the extra upgrades. But I doubt this was their primary motivation. It comes down to what benefit they believed they would get by spending engineering resources testing compatibility with a myriad of devices, etc. The answer- practically nil.
If you have a 2011 or earlier Mac, that's almost 4 years old. It's reasonable to expect that there's 1-2 things it can't do, that the latest Macs with a just released OS taking advantage of the latest hardware can.
1. Well...I would. I have 2 2009 iMacs, and would like the functionality. Dongles are very inexpensive.
2. Agreed. Maybe leave it to 3rd party devs.
3. Not sure it is obvious. There are many hardware incompatibilities that Apple clearly disclaims. i.e. iOS Jailbreaking.
5. I'd be curious to know if they actively blocked the technology and why.
I agree that one can't expect new technology to be limitelessly backward compatible.
I'd be curious to know if any earlier iMac users can identify the card needed, as the source documents only ID the model number for the MBA, MBP, and cMacPro; and of course if they've used the tool to enable Continuity.
I'd be curious to know if any earlier iMac users can identify the card needed, as the source documents only ID the model number for the MBA, MBP, and cMacPro; and of course if they've used the tool to enable Continuity.
A list of appropriate Bluetooth 4 cards would be more helpful than a list of models, for sure.
Read the article too a few days ago. Seems like it's making the system unstable. Unless it's debugged and extensively tested on a large user base it's best to avoid that. I 've not looked into it in detail, though. I 'd suggest everyone save themselves the hassle by watching this space before trying anything out.
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5. I'd be curious to know if they actively blocked the technology and why.
I agree that one can't expect new technology to be limitelessly backward compatible.
From what I can tell the protocol isn't sufficient to allow for both handoff and peripheral bluetooth connection without any issues, and supporting thousands of external dongles isn't really an option, and one can't be expected to make it "just work". I am quite sure they are not doing it to force people to upgrade.
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In what way does it do that?
It doesn't work on them.
It doesn't work on them.
Nothing is "broken". Nothing is even changed. Try again.
In what way does it do that?
It doesn't work on them.
It doesn't work on them.
Nothing is "broken". Nothing is even changed. Try again.
Handoff requires Bluetooth 4, which is only found on Macs released in the past two years. Therefore, Handoff doesn't work for all Macs older than that.
Handoff requires Bluetooth 4, which is only found on Macs released in the past two years. Therefore, Handoff doesn't work for all Macs older than that.
Nothing. Is. Broken.
Handoff requires Bluetooth 4, which is only found on Macs released in the past two years. Therefore, Handoff doesn't work for all Macs older than that.
Nothing. Is. Broken.
I don't understand what you're saying.
I don't understand what you're saying.
You're claiming that compatibility with older models is broken. It never existed. Nothing can be broken if it never happened. There is no functionality being removed or changed for any older model.
I don't understand what you're saying.
You're claiming that compatibility with older models is broken. It never existed. Nothing can be broken if it never happened. There is no functionality being removed or changed for any older model.
I never said there was. But in order to gain some of the newer functions like Handoff, you need to buy a Mac that is two years old or less. I think most would consider the life of a Mac rather longer than two years.
Hence the break in continuity.
You're claiming that compatibility with older models is broken. It never existed. Nothing can be broken if it never happened. There is no functionality being removed or changed for any older model.
Not true. If Messages worked under Mavericks with the exact same hardware, then yes, the implementation has been broken.
And again, it works perfectly fine. Something went wrong with the settings in the install. Just fix it.
And again, it works perfectly fine. Something went wrong with the settings in the install. Just fix it.
Very helpful indeed.
I can assure you that I have looked into this, and my Mac is not supported. I rolled back to Mavericks and BOOM, messages worked. Reinstalled Yosemite, and what-do-you-know NO Messages. Instead of blindly defending something that works for YOU, here's a thought: Make a helpful suggestion. "Just fix it" isn't as helpful as it is insulting.
I can assure you that I have looked into this, and my Mac is not supported. I rolled back to Mavericks and BOOM, messages worked. Reinstalled Yosemite, and what-do-you-know NO Messages. Instead of blindly defending something that works for YOU, here's a thought: Make a helpful suggestion. "Just fix it" isn't as helpful as it is insulting.
Okay, let's be clear. Are you referring to the ability to send SMS via OS X or Messages overall? I'm reading the latter from your posts.
Okay, let's be clear. Are you referring to the ability to send SMS via OS X or Messages overall? I'm reading the latter from your posts.
I cannot send or receive messages on the iMac. No amount of tinkering has enabled this. There is no Handoff option to enable in the settings under General. There is also no option to receive / place calls through my iPhone on the iMac. I mentioned this in this forum hoping perhaps that someone might have alternate suggestions.
Also, to be honest, when I rolled back to Mavericks, it felt stale compared to Yosemite.
I am as FUD adverse as you, so I got my hackles up when you accused me of it.
1. Very few people would buy and connect a bluetooth 4.0 dongle simply for handoff.
2. It probably is not worth it for Apple to test and make sure that handoff works on 500 different bluetooth adapters. Waste of resources and time.
3. If they advertise this as an option, and there's reliability issues (which there would be, obviously) then the blame will fall on Apple. Better to just bypass that scenario altogether.
5. Yes, I'm sure Apple wouldn't mind the extra upgrades. But I doubt this was their primary motivation. It comes down to what benefit they believed they would get by spending engineering resources testing compatibility with a myriad of devices, etc. The answer- practically nil.
If you have a 2011 or earlier Mac, that's almost 4 years old. It's reasonable to expect that there's 1-2 things it can't do, that the latest Macs with a just released OS taking advantage of the latest hardware can.
1. Well...I would. I have 2 2009 iMacs, and would like the functionality. Dongles are very inexpensive.
2. Agreed. Maybe leave it to 3rd party devs.
3. Not sure it is obvious. There are many hardware incompatibilities that Apple clearly disclaims. i.e. iOS Jailbreaking.
5. I'd be curious to know if they actively blocked the technology and why.
I agree that one can't expect new technology to be limitelessly backward compatible.
This is an interesting article:
http://bit.ly/1xewJjI
I'd be curious to know if any earlier iMac users can identify the card needed, as the source documents only ID the model number for the MBA, MBP, and cMacPro; and of course if they've used the tool to enable Continuity.
I'd be curious to know if any earlier iMac users can identify the card needed, as the source documents only ID the model number for the MBA, MBP, and cMacPro; and of course if they've used the tool to enable Continuity.
A list of appropriate Bluetooth 4 cards would be more helpful than a list of models, for sure.
Read the article too a few days ago. Seems like it's making the system unstable. Unless it's debugged and extensively tested on a large user base it's best to avoid that. I 've not looked into it in detail, though. I 'd suggest everyone save themselves the hassle by watching this space before trying anything out.
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5. I'd be curious to know if they actively blocked the technology and why.
I agree that one can't expect new technology to be limitelessly backward compatible.
From what I can tell the protocol isn't sufficient to allow for both handoff and peripheral bluetooth connection without any issues, and supporting thousands of external dongles isn't really an option, and one can't be expected to make it "just work". I am quite sure they are not doing it to force people to upgrade.