Dark mode makes the 1Password, TimeMachine and Bluetooth icons in the menu bar nearly invisible, useless.
3rd party apps that don't work because they retain black text are not writing code as per Apple guidelines, that simple. TimeMachine is fine as are Bluetooth menus, not sure if you need a new monitor or new glasses ...:D
I actually pisses me off that the green button on a window makes your window go full-screen instead of changing the size of it.
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Originally Posted by macxpress
I know this...should be option click to go full screen not the other way around.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips
Oh ye of little faith! You do know that you still have the ability you seek in Yosemite don't you? ... Hint ... Option Key
Also the multi screen or extended desktop options are all still there and changeable ... Mission Control Settings
I know I know ... who reads the manual ....
To follow on from digitalclips post.
The green buttons functionality from Mavericks and down has simply been moved to double-clicking any part of the toolbars whitespace.
It performs an identical action to what the green button had.
I can understand this is frustrating, not knowing where this functionality has gone as it seemingly disappeared. But it makes more sense streamlining the resizing functionality this way, and removing the full-screen button that was on the right hand side of a window.
No what he means is that the maximize button now makes apps go fullscreen, as in takes up 100% of the screen, hiding the dock and menu bar, instead of just fitting the app window to the screen width and height minus menubar and dock heights.
You can hold down, I believe, option +shift to do the original expected behavior. Holding just option makes the window height fit the screen
Just tried it in Safari, so maybe there's different behaviour in different apps, but the option key does the same as a double click on the grab bar, and adding the shift key has no extra effect (in safari anyway). Just tried it in a Finder window and it was the same. The double click fitted the window top to bottom on the screen, option and option+shift with green button was the same as a double click.
Minimising apps to the dock always annoyed me when I did it accidentally, it would be great if Apple made that button customisable. Maybe a toggle to bring back the old maximise to fill the screen without going to the complete full screen OR leave it as a minimiser to the Dock.
However the double click maximise is an excellent resurrection, it drives me crazy to search for a tiny button. Not only that but now I can use graphite as I don't need to see the green.
The problem was never just the menubar (and the dock never seemed like much of an issue.) The problem is the inconsistent window decorations and the fact that dark mode has no effect on these, instead it just creates a rift in the smoothness of the theme with clash between the menubar and the window decorations. It all has me saying to myself that Apple completely dropped the ball on 'Dark Mode' and quite frankly, it boggles the mind. Totally half-assed and as someone that has designed a slew of low contrast themes, an utter disappointment. How hard is it to get something so simple right? And if they can't get it right, let us customize for ourselves. Myself and many other theme designers would be thrilled to share our work with the osx community. Oh well...
The green buttons functionality from Mavericks and down has simply been moved to double-clicking any part of the toolbars whitespace.
It performs an identical action to what the green button had.
I can understand this is frustrating, not knowing where this functionality has gone as it seemingly disappeared. But it makes more sense streamlining the resizing functionality this way, and removing the full-screen button that was on the right hand side of a window.
I prefer the Option Key and having the green button change function than double clicking but you are correct to point out that is also another way to use the previous green button action. My problem is there is rarely enough top bar real estate in my Safari to click on! I tend to have a lot of customization taking all the room up.
The problem was never just the menubar (and the dock never seemed like much of an issue.) The problem is the inconsistent window decorations and the fact that dark mode has no effect on these, instead it just creates a rift in the smoothness of the theme with clash between the menubar and the window decorations. It all has me saying to myself that Apple completely dropped the ball on 'Dark Mode' and quite frankly, it boggles the mind. Totally half-assed and as someone that has designed a slew of low contrast themes, an utter disappointment. How hard is it to get something so simple right? And if they can't get it right, let us customize for ourselves. Myself and many other theme designers would be thrilled to share our work with the osx community. Oh well...
Not sure I follow ... what are these 'window decorations' you are upset about? Can you explain?
Even in Full Screen mode Photoshop CS6, FCPro X and quite a few other apps all use the dark menus. Aperture doesn't support it correctly and we already know Apple is not keeping it up to 10.10 specs fully, sadly. iTunes doesn't either so I agree it is a work in progress.
BTW I kind of like the way Dark Mode still picks up the colors on the desktop influencing the dark areas with subtle color. If I switch out my desktop image I alter the dark menus in Photoshop for example, even in full screen. It's kind of fun.
The new Translucent Menus are not very clear on my MacBook Air Fall 2010. I like Black on White better (the old ones) and am having trouble finding something that is easy to read.
If you use full-screen applications, this is an utterly pointless feature.
I wish there was a universal Sepia mode for the backgrounds of all applications, especially Safari, as can be found in iBooks.
ditto. I use yosemite without the translucency. Love it on iOS, can barely stand a minute with it in OS X without getting dizzy. I would have liked a shade or two darker for the windows toolbars, and what with the dock being whitish grey too, there's just too much of it at the moment imho.
There seems to be some confusion about full screen, maximising, and the old green button set to the appropriate size in the forums, but there's some on apple's part too:
green traffic light = Full Screen Mode
option - green traffic light button = double tap = appropriate size, finder, pages, but not always... in notes and iTunes double tap doesn't work, and in apps where the appropriate size is maximising such as notes, or calendar it's maximised, same in iTunes.... The strangest case is with preview where option - green traffic light, sometimes makes the cursor become a cross, and, at least on my rmb, there are quite a few hang ups performing this.
maximize a la windows = non existent, as it should be.
Not sure I follow ... what are these 'window decorations' you are upset about? Can you explain?
Even in Full Screen mode Photoshop CS6, FCPro X and quite a few other apps all use the dark menus. Aperture doesn't support it correctly and we already know Apple is not keeping it up to 10.10 specs fully, sadly. iTunes doesn't either so I agree it is a work in progress.
BTW I kind of like the way Dark Mode still picks up the colors on the desktop influencing the dark areas with subtle color. If I switch out my desktop image I alter the dark menus in Photoshop for example, even in full screen. It's kind of fun.
Window Decoration is the term used for the "dressing" that surrounds the actual rectangle of the program.
It's neat that it's translucent but the gray is too high contrast to the "dark" elements, for my eyes. :P
Thanks for explanation, I kind of guessed that's what you meant but wanted to be sure it wasn't a curtain / decorators term lol. I've personally not come across it in Mac context and I was CEO of a Mac Software company for quite a few years. I honestly never heard the term used once in Mac programming circles I frequented. Is that a term common to the MS world I wonder? All those samples on Wikipedia seemed like old Windoze shots.
Just tried it in Safari, so maybe there's different behaviour in different apps, but the option key does the same as a double click on the grab bar, and adding the shift key has no extra effect (in safari anyway). Just tried it in a Finder window and it was the same. The double click fitted the window top to bottom on the screen, option and option+shift with green button was the same as a double click.
Minimising apps to the dock always annoyed me when I did it accidentally, it would be great if Apple made that button customisable. Maybe a toggle to bring back the old maximise to fill the screen without going to the complete full screen OR leave it as a minimiser to the Dock.
However the double click maximise is an excellent resurrection, it drives me crazy to search for a tiny button. Not only that but now I can use graphite as I don't need to see the green.
It did that behavior for me under the last public beta. Maybe the final GM version was different. I hadn't updated to the GM yet because I wasn't sure if I needed to or if it would be ok to without wiping the computer first.
I have vision problems and when I installed Yosemite I got very nervous at first. Try going to System Preferences > Accessibility > Display and fiddling with those settings.
I found that toggling "Increase contrast" gives all the fields outlines, and scaling "Display contrast" to the minimum really helped with the brightness. It also gives the circle buttons outlines, @pazuzu
Anyone with vision problems should go to reduce transparency in accessibility prefs upon installing yosemite, this is actually remove transparency alltogether. And turn on dark mode too, from the general preferences pane.
This makes the os non transparent and takes away the "too much white" complaint some people have. In addition if you are on a retina mac you have the option to scale the display for larger font from display prefs, although there's an ever so slight fuzziness to the font there, probably unnoticeable to most.
All of that should make yosemite really accessible, and they are all very welcome features.
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3rd party apps that don't work because they retain black text are not writing code as per Apple guidelines, that simple. TimeMachine is fine as are Bluetooth menus, not sure if you need a new monitor or new glasses ...:D
I actually pisses me off that the green button on a window makes your window go full-screen instead of changing the size of it.
I know this...should be option click to go full screen not the other way around.
Oh ye of little faith! You do know that you still have the ability you seek in Yosemite don't you? ... Hint ... Option Key
Also the multi screen or extended desktop options are all still there and changeable ... Mission Control Settings
I know I know ... who reads the manual ....
To follow on from digitalclips post.
The green buttons functionality from Mavericks and down has simply been moved to double-clicking any part of the toolbars whitespace.
It performs an identical action to what the green button had.
I can understand this is frustrating, not knowing where this functionality has gone as it seemingly disappeared. But it makes more sense streamlining the resizing functionality this way, and removing the full-screen button that was on the right hand side of a window.
No what he means is that the maximize button now makes apps go fullscreen, as in takes up 100% of the screen, hiding the dock and menu bar, instead of just fitting the app window to the screen width and height minus menubar and dock heights.
You can hold down, I believe, option +shift to do the original expected behavior. Holding just option makes the window height fit the screen
Just tried it in Safari, so maybe there's different behaviour in different apps, but the option key does the same as a double click on the grab bar, and adding the shift key has no extra effect (in safari anyway). Just tried it in a Finder window and it was the same. The double click fitted the window top to bottom on the screen, option and option+shift with green button was the same as a double click.
Minimising apps to the dock always annoyed me when I did it accidentally, it would be great if Apple made that button customisable. Maybe a toggle to bring back the old maximise to fill the screen without going to the complete full screen OR leave it as a minimiser to the Dock.
However the double click maximise is an excellent resurrection, it drives me crazy to search for a tiny button. Not only that but now I can use graphite as I don't need to see the green.
I prefer the Option Key and having the green button change function than double clicking but you are correct to point out that is also another way to use the previous green button action. My problem is there is rarely enough top bar real estate in my Safari to click on! I tend to have a lot of customization taking all the room up.
Not sure I follow ... what are these 'window decorations' you are upset about? Can you explain?
Even in Full Screen mode Photoshop CS6, FCPro X and quite a few other apps all use the dark menus. Aperture doesn't support it correctly and we already know Apple is not keeping it up to 10.10 specs fully, sadly. iTunes doesn't either so I agree it is a work in progress.
BTW I kind of like the way Dark Mode still picks up the colors on the desktop influencing the dark areas with subtle color. If I switch out my desktop image I alter the dark menus in Photoshop for example, even in full screen. It's kind of fun.
Sigh.
If you use full-screen applications, this is an utterly pointless feature.
I wish there was a universal Sepia mode for the backgrounds of all applications, especially Safari, as can be found in iBooks.
ditto. I use yosemite without the translucency. Love it on iOS, can barely stand a minute with it in OS X without getting dizzy. I would have liked a shade or two darker for the windows toolbars, and what with the dock being whitish grey too, there's just too much of it at the moment imho.
There seems to be some confusion about full screen, maximising, and the old green button set to the appropriate size in the forums, but there's some on apple's part too:
green traffic light = Full Screen Mode
option - green traffic light button = double tap = appropriate size, finder, pages, but not always... in notes and iTunes double tap doesn't work, and in apps where the appropriate size is maximising such as notes, or calendar it's maximised, same in iTunes.... The strangest case is with preview where option - green traffic light, sometimes makes the cursor become a cross, and, at least on my rmb, there are quite a few hang ups performing this.
maximize a la windows = non existent, as it should be.
Not sure I follow ... what are these 'window decorations' you are upset about? Can you explain?
Even in Full Screen mode Photoshop CS6, FCPro X and quite a few other apps all use the dark menus. Aperture doesn't support it correctly and we already know Apple is not keeping it up to 10.10 specs fully, sadly. iTunes doesn't either so I agree it is a work in progress.
BTW I kind of like the way Dark Mode still picks up the colors on the desktop influencing the dark areas with subtle color. If I switch out my desktop image I alter the dark menus in Photoshop for example, even in full screen. It's kind of fun.
Window Decoration is the term used for the "dressing" that surrounds the actual rectangle of the program.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_decoration
It's neat that it's translucent but the gray is too high contrast to the "dark" elements, for my eyes. :P
Thanks for explanation, I kind of guessed that's what you meant but wanted to be sure it wasn't a curtain / decorators term lol. I've personally not come across it in Mac context and I was CEO of a Mac Software company for quite a few years. I honestly never heard the term used once in Mac programming circles I frequented. Is that a term common to the MS world I wonder? All those samples on Wikipedia seemed like old Windoze shots.
Just tried it in Safari, so maybe there's different behaviour in different apps, but the option key does the same as a double click on the grab bar, and adding the shift key has no extra effect (in safari anyway). Just tried it in a Finder window and it was the same. The double click fitted the window top to bottom on the screen, option and option+shift with green button was the same as a double click.
Minimising apps to the dock always annoyed me when I did it accidentally, it would be great if Apple made that button customisable. Maybe a toggle to bring back the old maximise to fill the screen without going to the complete full screen OR leave it as a minimiser to the Dock.
However the double click maximise is an excellent resurrection, it drives me crazy to search for a tiny button. Not only that but now I can use graphite as I don't need to see the green.
It did that behavior for me under the last public beta. Maybe the final GM version was different. I hadn't updated to the GM yet because I wasn't sure if I needed to or if it would be ok to without wiping the computer first.
BIG CON: The key command to invert the screen no longer works (control, opt, cmnd, 8).
I use my MBP for theater work and this was a great way to dim the lights.
Try going to System Preferences > Accessibility > Display and fiddling with those settings.
I found that toggling "Increase contrast" gives all the fields outlines, and scaling "Display contrast" to the minimum really helped with the brightness. It also gives the circle buttons outlines, @pazuzu
Anyone with vision problems should go to reduce transparency in accessibility prefs upon installing yosemite, this is actually remove transparency alltogether. And turn on dark mode too, from the general preferences pane.
This makes the os non transparent and takes away the "too much white" complaint some people have. In addition if you are on a retina mac you have the option to scale the display for larger font from display prefs, although there's an ever so slight fuzziness to the font there, probably unnoticeable to most.
All of that should make yosemite really accessible, and they are all very welcome features.
wow, what an easy way. Move to System Preferences > General and here we are...:)
I've been using f.lux for a short while now, and love it. Thanks very much for recommending it. It's just what I was looking for.