Which one(s) should I read specifically that you feel I should address? Keep in mind that I'll continue to ignore any that include personal attacks.
Stop hiding behind excuses of 'personal attacks'.
Especially considering how often your posts personally attack our intelligence.
1. You made a point.
2. A considerable amount of data was provided to you that proved it incorrect.
3. Man up and admit that the original point may have been misinformed.
I've seen this in China. Yes, they live 8-to-a-dorm room and stay on-site. I think Foxconn's size is the exception, if they have malls and multiple restaurants. The ones I've seen just have a dozen or so dorm buildings and cafeterias. The housing is offered so cheaply to the workers that the majority live there. Many workers are from rural areas, so traveling back home (by train) takes half a day or more, so they only go home during holidays. It's not a great living, but the pay is much higher (and steadier) than on the farms.
It is one of the great conundrums of the modern age isn't it? Is it better not to trade and engage with a developing country (and I realize China is a strange example having been so advanced in the past) for fear of being seen to take advantage of them or better for the first world to leave them alone stuck in some agrarian and feudal system from the past. There are so many arguments both ways.
I happen to think Tim is trying, better than most, to strike a good and moral balance.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is a more modern version of a business model that,
at least here in the US, contributed to the rise of organized labor over a century ago.
Still, I appreciate Krawall's point - it's hard for first-worlders to rotate their perspective sufficiently sometimes,
to recognize that this might be to some degree a step upward for these folks.
Not to mention that their salary may not seem high here, but I'm pretty sure the cost of living in China is not as high as it is in the US.
Cook looks very happy in the picture. So as the lady. The lady has an earring. Is it not allowed to enter production area with earrings?
I noticed the earring too. I don't see where that would cause an issue with building an iPhone, so they're probably not worried about jewelry. Rings probably aren't allowed since they might scratch the casing, but earrings should be fine.
You know why some Foxconn workers suicide? Because unlike their Samsung counterparts, Foxconn workers has the best life insurance policy benefits, they wanted collect it for their families back home . Samsung or other droid factories have not such issues because they have NO BENEFITS unlike Foxconn workers
Yep, suicide is totally an economic decision.
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Originally Posted by boredumb
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is a more modern version of a business model that,
at least here in the US, contributed to the rise of organized labor over a century ago.
Still, I appreciate Krawall's point - it's hard for first-worlders to rotate their perspective sufficiently sometimes,
to recognize that this might be to some degree a step upward for these folks.
Good point. It feels like we've outgrown this, but even here in Austin, so much of what we have revolves around keeping the tech workers working on tech. We just accept it because we can drive Teslas and dig swimming pools in our yards (e.g. not complaining here!). We've simply moved beyond the industrial form, and much of what we have was built on the backs of the folks who shopped at a factory commissary.
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Originally Posted by MasterChat
Cook looks very happy in the picture. So as the lady. The lady has an earring. Is it not allowed to enter production area with earrings?
Doing a quick GIS of "foxconn worker," I think you may have a point. No earrings anywhere. She's probably site leadership? Pretty common to stage some stuff for bigwig visits though.
So instead of answering the question you throw in pot shots like this. :no:
When you're ready to talk with the adults like an adult, I'll be ready.
Your original post, and your point, are not those of an adult. You're ignoring that social, technological and cultural stages and processes are relative.
An adult automatically includes a relativistic perspective in assessing something like progress in working conditions within a particular society. A child or an adolescent does not. Neither does an android troll wishing to score an anti-Apple point.
Second Degree Burns sound serious and scary! Let me translate. 2nd degree burn is a blister. A damned blister. Stupid media.
Actually there are different types of 2nd degree burns, some of which require skin grafts, that seems a little more excessive than a blister. Maybe you should go back to translation school
I am a physician who works in a burn unit. I have some small clue here.
I take it it's a Plus? I know someone else waiting for his, he's expecting it mid November. Crazy to see demand like this. And agreed on the fit and finish.
I ordered two plusses about three weeks ago and they are scheduled too ship early november and that dates haven't budged.
There isn't enough talented labor in the US to build the iPhones needed, not even accounting for cost.
That's ridiculous. The Chinese workers are each doing one small assembly task and they were trained to do it. American workers, as unskilled as we are, could do the same. The only reason iPhones will never be built in the U.S. is because of cost, although as conditions improve for Chinese workers and as more enter the middle class and demand more - and assuming that there's still going to be more workers than jobs in the U.S. for the foreseeable future - I wonder whether costs will be almost equivalent ten years from now, especially if production can be further automated. Of course, that doesn't mean that Apple will start manufacturing in the U.S. - I suspect that as Chinese labor becomes more costly, manufacturing may move to India, Vietnam, Thailand and some African countries, although they all have infrastructure issues.
I've always felt that companies should built their products close to market so that the regions that provide the revenue also get the benefit of the jobs. There's nothing that says that Apple can't have factories in both the West and in the East.
That's ridiculous. The Chinese workers are each doing one small assembly task and they were trained to do it. American workers, as unskilled as we are, could do the same. The only reason iPhones will never be built in the U.S. is because of cost, although as conditions improve for Chinese workers and as more enter the middle class and demand more - and assuming that there's still going to be more workers than jobs in the U.S. for the foreseeable future - I wonder whether costs will be almost equivalent ten years from now, especially if production can be further automated. Of course, that doesn't mean that Apple will start manufacturing in the U.S. - I suspect that as Chinese labor becomes more costly, manufacturing may move to India, Vietnam, Thailand and some African countries, although they all have infrastructure issues.
I've always felt that companies should built their products close to market so that the regions that provide the revenue also get the benefit of the jobs. There's nothing that says that Apple can't have factories in both the West and in the East.
Let's say that I have better sources than you and leave it at that. Why do you think the products Apple makes here also happen to be the low volume ones? It's because those are the only ones that can be produced here with the limited talent base.
There are millions of jobs in the US unfilled because there is a shortage of skilled labor.
This droidftw idiot is not very entertaining after all. He seems to believe his own crap; maybe crap is all he knows since he apparently lives with his head up his ass. In any case, he is now the second person on my block list. It's an exclusive list. Congrats!
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Did you actually read ANY of the responses to your post???
Which one(s) should I read specifically that you feel I should address? Keep in mind that I'll continue to ignore any that include personal attacks.
Stop hiding behind excuses of 'personal attacks'.
Especially considering how often your posts personally attack our intelligence.
1. You made a point.
2. A considerable amount of data was provided to you that proved it incorrect.
3. Man up and admit that the original point may have been misinformed.
Cook looks very happy in the picture. So as the lady. The lady has an earring. Is it not allowed to enter production area with earrings?
Another Troll
Oh really Paul, you sad little case. If you only knew of my experiences on Sept 12th and Sept. 19th, you wouldn't make an idiot out of yourself!
Especially considering how often your posts personally attack our intelligence.
So instead of answering the question you throw in pot shots like this.
When you're ready to talk with the adults like an adult, I'll be ready.
Don't hold your breath.
Don't hold your breath.
At least you're honest about it. I can respect that.
It is one of the great conundrums of the modern age isn't it? Is it better not to trade and engage with a developing country (and I realize China is a strange example having been so advanced in the past) for fear of being seen to take advantage of them or better for the first world to leave them alone stuck in some agrarian and feudal system from the past. There are so many arguments both ways.
I happen to think Tim is trying, better than most, to strike a good and moral balance.
Not to mention that their salary may not seem high here, but I'm pretty sure the cost of living in China is not as high as it is in the US.
I noticed the earring too. I don't see where that would cause an issue with building an iPhone, so they're probably not worried about jewelry. Rings probably aren't allowed since they might scratch the casing, but earrings should be fine.
sshhhh .... you want to get her fired? They are Samsung cameras.
You know why some Foxconn workers suicide? Because unlike their Samsung counterparts, Foxconn workers has the best life insurance policy benefits, they wanted collect it for their families back home . Samsung or other droid factories have not such issues because they have NO BENEFITS unlike Foxconn workers
Yep, suicide is totally an economic decision.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is a more modern version of a business model that,
at least here in the US, contributed to the rise of organized labor over a century ago.
Still, I appreciate Krawall's point - it's hard for first-worlders to rotate their perspective sufficiently sometimes,
to recognize that this might be to some degree a step upward for these folks.
Good point. It feels like we've outgrown this, but even here in Austin, so much of what we have revolves around keeping the tech workers working on tech. We just accept it because we can drive Teslas and dig swimming pools in our yards (e.g. not complaining here!). We've simply moved beyond the industrial form, and much of what we have was built on the backs of the folks who shopped at a factory commissary.
Cook looks very happy in the picture. So as the lady. The lady has an earring. Is it not allowed to enter production area with earrings?
Doing a quick GIS of "foxconn worker," I think you may have a point. No earrings anywhere. She's probably site leadership? Pretty common to stage some stuff for bigwig visits though.
Yep, suicide is totally an economic decision. ...
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Your original post, and your point, are not those of an adult. You're ignoring that social, technological and cultural stages and processes are relative.
An adult automatically includes a relativistic perspective in assessing something like progress in working conditions within a particular society. A child or an adolescent does not. Neither does an android troll wishing to score an anti-Apple point.
At least you're honest about it. I can respect that.
So, really, I have wondered (given your handle) what specific mobile device you fancy, or perhaps aspire to.
Second Degree Burns sound serious and scary! Let me translate. 2nd degree burn is a blister. A damned blister. Stupid media.
Actually there are different types of 2nd degree burns, some of which require skin grafts, that seems a little more excessive than a blister. Maybe you should go back to translation school
I am a physician who works in a burn unit. I have some small clue here.
I take it it's a Plus? I know someone else waiting for his, he's expecting it mid November. Crazy to see demand like this. And agreed on the fit and finish.
I ordered two plusses about three weeks ago and they are scheduled too ship early november and that dates haven't budged.
There isn't enough talented labor in the US to build the iPhones needed, not even accounting for cost.
That's ridiculous. The Chinese workers are each doing one small assembly task and they were trained to do it. American workers, as unskilled as we are, could do the same. The only reason iPhones will never be built in the U.S. is because of cost, although as conditions improve for Chinese workers and as more enter the middle class and demand more - and assuming that there's still going to be more workers than jobs in the U.S. for the foreseeable future - I wonder whether costs will be almost equivalent ten years from now, especially if production can be further automated. Of course, that doesn't mean that Apple will start manufacturing in the U.S. - I suspect that as Chinese labor becomes more costly, manufacturing may move to India, Vietnam, Thailand and some African countries, although they all have infrastructure issues.
I've always felt that companies should built their products close to market so that the regions that provide the revenue also get the benefit of the jobs. There's nothing that says that Apple can't have factories in both the West and in the East.
Let's say that I have better sources than you and leave it at that. Why do you think the products Apple makes here also happen to be the low volume ones? It's because those are the only ones that can be produced here with the limited talent base.
There are millions of jobs in the US unfilled because there is a shortage of skilled labor.
This droidftw idiot is not very entertaining after all. He seems to believe his own crap; maybe crap is all he knows since he apparently lives with his head up his ass. In any case, he is now the second person on my block list. It's an exclusive list. Congrats!