Current tablet sales growth being driven by sub-$250 devices, IDC says

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  • Reply 61 of 105
    jungmark wrote: »
    rogifan wrote: »
    No way I'd recommend a 1st gen iPad mini to anyone. I don't know why Apple is selling it other than getting rid of existing stock that might be remaining.

    For those price conscious customers that don't need the latest and greatest.
    IDC: we make up numbers to benefit our clients.

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  • Reply 62 of 105

    A few of the articles are worth reading. Most are in a land of fairies and unicorns. Nothing ever has anything to do with DED except clicks. He's an actor that knows his audience. That is all.
  • Reply 63 of 105
    Have a look at this:


    [VIDEO]

    I'll pray for her. Thank you.

    However, as much as I want to help others (you have no idea!). I do however want the iPad that I own to help me learn, progress, create and enhance my life also.

    We're those "folders?"

    God bless! ????
  • Reply 64 of 105
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,152member
    kpluck wrote: »
    foggyhill wrote: »
     

    Most of those cheap tablets are pure trash that are barely useable in their primary function... No wonder Tablet sales are going down with such bad PR. Yes, I have seen some of those unfortunate "tablets".
    I just noticed HP has rolled out some new Windows 8.1 tablets called the Stream 7 and the Stream 8 for $100/$150. They definitely are targeted to the low end of the market but they are most definitely not "pure trash".

    The interesting thing about these tablets is that they both come with 1 year of Office 365 Personal which would run at least $70 if purchased alone. That makes these things a real bargain.

    Competition, good for everyone.

    -kpluck
    At that price competition won't be good for HP. Maybe they plan to make it up in volume.
  • Reply 65 of 105
    Have a look at this:


    I'll pray for her. Thank you.

    However, as much as I want to help others (you have no idea!). I do however want the iPad that I own to help me learn, progress, create and enhance my life also.

    We're those "folders?"

    God bless! ????


    My intent in posting that was to show that, to some people, even an iPad 1 can be a life-changing experience ...

    Imagine the person who can't speak, for the first time being able to order a hamburger ... or ask to use the bathroom ...

    Prior to the iPad, a kludgey specialty computer setup to provide limited communication cost $8,000-$12,000 and weighed 10-20 lbs -- hardly practical or mobile ...


    For these people, this solution is their gateway to enter the outside world as an equal ...
  • Reply 66 of 105
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,152member
    Proloque2go is awesome assistive software. My wife teaches people that have had strokes, MND etc to use it, and one of her co workers uses it for kids with speech difficulties.

    Pre ipad/iPhone, this sort of software/ms tablet would cost you around $15,000 AUD. Don't ask me why, that was how much it was.
    Ipad and software combined now a lot less than a $1000. And instead of heavy and embarrassing, people actually want to carry it around and use it.

    The iPhone 6 + size is very interesting for assistive gear. Just needs an iPod touch version for the kiddies.
  • Reply 67 of 105
    Have a look at this:


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    Thank you.

    This is truly magical.

    Apple (and thousands of inspired developers) have truly brought technology to billions who would never have been able to experience technology on their own terms.
  • Reply 68 of 105
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    Microsoft in their infinite wisdom has made Office 365 absolutely free now for iOS and Android. Those who paid for an annual subscription prior to this month are reportedly slated for refunds.

    http://fortune.com/2014/11/06/microsofts-office-365-mobile-apps-are-now-free-for-everybody/



    Not accurate. It's a less functional version of their Office suite. Anyone in business will likely choose to spring for the regular subscription to get full functionality.

  • Reply 69 of 105
    My intent in posting that was to show that, to some people, even an iPad 1 can be a life-changing experience ...

    Imagine the person who can't speak, for the first time being able to order a hamburger ... or ask to use the bathroom ...

    Prior to the iPad, a kludgey specialty computer setup to provide limited communication cost $8,000-$12,000 and weighed 10-20 lbs -- hardly practical or mobile ...


    For these people, this solution is their gateway to enter the outside world as an equal ...

    No! I truly understand what you meant and I'm greatful you posted that. I don't have a name that I can pray for, but I do have a vivid image in my mind and I thank you for that!

    Now sad as it may be, I want my iPad to challenge me, if you understand what I mean. God bless her, and I'll pray for her. Truly!

    Unfortunately, for myself I would like an OS and some apps that challenge me to be better also. I'm all Duolingoed out. I did learn a lot of languages...

    I hate to mention this in the same post, but I can't chose a custom sound for push notifications and many others. As much as I like what I have, I feel dramatically limited on my own iPad and some lessons of choice from Android would be appreciated. I'm still trying to figure out if I can get extensions to do this, but according to the rules I can't do it.

    God bless! ????
  • Reply 70 of 105
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CanukStorm View Post

     

    I agree.  Apple has always been about not only making the best product but providing the best user experience which is why I'm surprised the iPad mini stuck around.  Having a non-retina display and an A5 SoC hardly provides a great user experience when running iOS 8.  

    Because marketing told Cook they needed a product at a certain price point and finance told him margins need to be x and that's how you end up with Apple still selling the mini 1. Marketing and finance have too much control at Apple right now IMO. That's why we go from  16 > 64 instead of 32 > 64. Phil Schiller and the marketing team are big on upselling and finance wants increased ASPs and margins. Apple would sell more 32GB devices at $199/$499 than 64GB at $299/$599 so they don't offer that option. They offer 16GB instead so they can upsell you (for only $100 more you can get 4x the storage).

    Someone needs to get the message to Jony Ive though, because he's still saying Apple is first and foremost about great products and the money follows that.

    http://www.dezeen.com/2014/11/13/design-education-tragic-says-jonathan-ive-apple/

    [QUOTE]]"We've tried very hard to be very clear, and this is absolutely sincere, that our goal at Apple isn't to make money," he said.

    "We're not naive. We trust that if we're successful and we make good products, that people will like them. And we trust that if people like them, they'll buy them. Operationally we are effective and we know what we're doing and so we will make money. It's a consequence."[/QUOTE]
  • Reply 71 of 105
    entropys wrote: »
    At that price competition won't be good for HP. Maybe they plan to make it up in volume.

    To me it just looks like a company that doesn't think their product is very good. There are purses that sell for 5k, shoes that sell for 5k, shirts and pants that sell for 5k.

    These companies putting out their tablets just don't have any pride in what they are selling. They are looking at it like "heck it's junk parts, think anyone will buy it for $150?"

    Be proud of what you sell or no one is going to buy it. Apple is going down this lane with 16G base models and downgraded computers from the year (or two) before. I hope they wake up.
  • Reply 72 of 105
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Silver Shadow View Post



    Be proud of what you sell or no one is going to buy it. Apple is going down this lane with 16G base models and downgraded computers from the year (or two) before. I hope they wake up.

     

    Because marketing and finance appear to run the show now. Jony Ive says Apple's goal is to make great products and making money is a consequence of that. 8GB phones and 16GB base models fly in the face of that statement. A 16GB device with all of Apple's free software loaded on it leaves you with a little over 8GB free space. When iOS 8 was released the OTA update was around 6GB. One of the reasons iOS 8 install figures are low is because a lot of people didn't have enough space to do an OTA update. If Apple was about the best products first and making money second storage options would be 32 > 64 > 128.

  • Reply 73 of 105
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

     



    Not accurate. It's a less functional version of their Office suite. Anyone in business will likely choose to spring for the regular subscription to get full functionality.


     

    Just curious, how would the average Joe know what functionality is included in the free version? Does Microsoft include it in the details on the App Store. Seems to me that's ripe for confusing people. Plus I'd love to know how Microsoft decided what would be free and what you'd need to pay for. 

  • Reply 74 of 105
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    rogifan wrote: »
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    <div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>CanukStorm</strong> <a href="/t/183423/current-tablet-sales-growth-being-driven-by-sub-250-devices-idc-says/40#post_2639452"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br />
     
    <p>I agree.  Apple has always been about not only making the best product but providing the best user experience which is why I'm surprised the iPad mini stuck around.  Having a non-retina display and an A5 SoC hardly provides a great user experience when running iOS 8.  </p>
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    <p>Because marketing told Cook they needed a product at a certain price point and finance told him margins need to be x and that's how you end up with Apple still selling the mini 1. Marketing and finance have too much control at Apple right now IMO. That's why we go from  16 > 64 instead of 32 > 64. Phil Schiller and the marketing team are big on upselling and finance wants increased ASPs and margins. Apple would sell more 32GB devices at $199/$499 than 64GB at $299/$599 so they don't offer that option. They offer 16GB instead so they can upsell you (for only $100 more you can get 4x the storage).</p>
    Someone needs to get the message to Jony Ive though, because he's still saying Apple is first and foremost about great products and the money follows that.</p>

    <p>http://www.dezeen.com/2014/11/13/design-education-tragic-says-jonathan-ive-apple/</p>;

    Pretty sure Apple was still selling older iPhones when Jobs was in control. Plus the mini is a fine entry level device. It may not be for you or me but we aren't the demo for it any more.
  • Reply 75 of 105
    entropys wrote: »
    Proloque2go is awesome assistive software. My wife teaches people that have had strokes, MND etc to use it, and one of her co workers uses it for kids with speech difficulties.

    Pre ipad/iPhone, this sort of software/ms tablet would cost you around $15,000 AUD. Don't ask me why, that was how much it was.
    Ipad and software combined now a lot less than a $1000. And instead of heavy and embarrassing, people actually want to carry it around and use it.

    The iPhone 6 + size is very interesting for assistive gear. Just needs an iPod touch version for the kiddies.

    Mmm ... Hadn't even thought of using Proloque2go for stroke victims, etc. and the elderly ... Wow!

    I downloaded the latest update on my iPhone 6+ (hadn't tried it there) -- works great!

    The 6+ would be a handy size for many users.
  • Reply 76 of 105
    jungmark wrote: »
    Pretty sure Apple was still selling older iPhones when Jobs was in control. Plus the mini is a fine entry level device. It may not be for you or me but we aren't the demo for it any more.

    So what does that mean?

    "Oh, it's not good enough for me and you wouldn't like it either. Hmmm, whoever gets the third person to buy it gets a free luch".

    Edit: Do you mean to tell me that you keep up do date with all of this and you will actually tell someone to buy that? If so, I'd have to say that not knowing you has made my life better. :D
  • Reply 77 of 105
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    Apple's profits on tablets are up 25%? Where did you see that? It certainly doesn't sound right but perhaps you have a citation.

     

    Apple's share of the industry profit could be up immensely without Apple's actual profit increasing since as mentioned here, tablets are going downmarkets were no one is making much profit (or even losing money in the case of Amazon).

  • Reply 78 of 105
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

     

     

    Just curious, how would the average Joe know what functionality is included in the free version? Does Microsoft include it in the details on the App Store. Seems to me that's ripe for confusing people. Plus I'd love to know how Microsoft decided what would be free and what you'd need to pay for. 


     

    They probably have usage monitoring actual users that tell you what function is actually used and react accordingly. Though basic editing is pretty standard, so they wouldn't need to do that to find out what it is.

  • Reply 79 of 105
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    jungmark wrote: »
    Pretty sure Apple was still selling older iPhones when Jobs was in control. Plus the mini is a fine entry level device. It may not be for you or me but we aren't the demo for it any more.

    Then who is the demo? Poor people? People too stupid to know the difference? If somebody's using the device to just surf the web and watch movies and they might as will get a Kindle Fire or Nexus 7. If nothing else those devices have a superior screen. I hate saying that but there's no way I would recommend a non-retina screen for any device running iOS 7 or higher.
  • Reply 80 of 105
    rogifan wrote: »
    Be proud of what you sell or no one is going to buy it. Apple is going down this lane with 16G base models and downgraded computers from the year (or two) before. I hope they wake up.

    Because marketing and finance appear to run the show now. Jony Ive says Apple's goal is to make great products and making money is a consequence of that. 8GB phones and 16GB base models fly in the face of that statement. A 16GB device with all of Apple's free software loaded on it leaves you with a little over 8GB free space. When iOS 8 was released the OTA update was around 6GB. One of the reasons iOS 8 install figures are low is because a lot of people didn't have enough space to do an OTA update. If Apple was about the best products first and making money second storage options would be 32 > 64 > 128.

    There are plenty of use cases where 16 GB is more than adequate for an iDevice ...

    For example the autistic or speech challenged can use Proloquotogo (shown earlier), small business POST terminals, installers, tradesmen, kids. emerging markets ...

    Not everyone needs 32 GB!

    Also, the lower price point provides an entry to the Apple iDevice culture for people with limited funds -- who would rather do without than, buy crap..


    Finally, I for one, am getting tired of your constant harangue on this subject!

    I find your attitude very elitist and condescending -- who are you to be telling the successful Apple management team what they need to do?

    What are your bona fides?

    Have you ever run a multi-billion dollar company * with thousands of employees, creating and delivering millions of new devices, each year, to hundreds of millions of very satisfied customers?

    * or any company, for that matter?

    Give it a rest!
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