After losing Apple's iPad business, Intel has bled $7 billion while heavily subsidizing cheap x86 At

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  • Reply 121 of 217
    nkalunkalu Posts: 315member
    Wow! Now we know that the so called affordable/cheap Android Tablets and Apple iPad competitors were actually ridding the coattails of "generous" Intel.
  • Reply 122 of 217
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,423member
    solipsismy wrote: »
    I also define flop as a comparison of its financial success.

    Would you agree Shawshank Redemption is a great movie? I dobt think you'd get too many people saying it sucked. Yet it was a block office flop… twice!

    Just because they didn't make Stephen King's short story into a sci-di adventure with excessive special effects that will play to foreign markets doesn't mean they didn't it to be more popular in the box office.

    Shawshank Redemption was supposed to make a nice profit on ticket sales, correct? It wasn't intended to be produced as an example of art-house theatre, profits be damned, rather than a commercial money-making film. So yeah, they failed in their mission, tho I'd be surprised it has lost money by the time TV rights are factored in. Google Nexus program isn't meant as a profit making hardware venture, tho Google would no doubt take the money. ;) For the purpose the program is designed for, as stated by Google themselves, it largely succeeds.

    Huge difference.
  • Reply 123 of 217
    nkalunkalu Posts: 315member
    Serves Intel right. Next time they do business with Apple they should show a little gratitude to the company that enables them make much more profit than they would with ten other competitors.
  • Reply 124 of 217
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

     

    ah, i just read the Nexus 9 tab review at Android Police from the link posted here. here is its summary:

     


    Nexus 9: Cons

    • Build quality / quality control issues that border on embarrassing. Light bleed, back flex, snapping noises, and a general feeling of low-cost hardware. It's not just me, either, complaints are increasingly common.

    • K1 Denver just does not seem to be shaping up as the performance powerhouse we hoped it would be, the Nexus 9 stutters and lags at times, and generally is just kind of rough around the edges.

    • Battery life isn't fantastic. My Nexus 9 seems to have particularly bad issues with longevity, but standby drain is still an issue Android can't seem to nail down.

    • Tablet content is still spotty at times, even in Google's own apps - look at Hangouts on a Nexus 9. Yeesh.

    • Chrome is an utter and complete dog compared to Mobile Safari in terms of smoothness, web browsing on the Nexus 9 is just lamentable.


     

    ooops, sorry about the bad formatting. droids out of control!


     

    Websites still do stuff like that? What ever happened to the dream Tim Berners-Lee had of a vast open web of information, hyperlinked together? When did that get co-oped by greed and anti-user script-fu?

  • Reply 125 of 217
    Correct, but clarify it is ~ 50 million/quarter versus 5+ Million Mac/quarter.

    Actually, the sales results are as follows:

    iOS devices (iPad and iPhone only): 237,196,000/year (2014) averages to 59,299,000 devices/quarter
    Mac: 18,906,000/year (2014) averages to 4,726,500 Macs/quarter

    He was giving Intel a massive boost.
  • Reply 126 of 217
    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post
    Websites still do stuff like that?

     

    Oh, it’s not a “prevent data copying” thing; it’s just the page format.

     

    Huddler keeps all aspects of any text you copy/paste into it (since this is just a glorified HTML entry field), with some restrictions. Those restrictions cause errors. So this is what you were meant to see (it shows up properly in the input field):

     

    But you get: 

     

    Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post



    Nexus 9: Pros

    • It runs Android 5.0 and will receive timely OS updates from Google. Lollipop is nice, it's pretty, and it adds a lot of cool new features to Android for users and developers alike.





    Nexus 9: Cons

    • Build quality / quality control issues that border on embarrassing. Light bleed, back flex, snapping noises, and a general feeling of low-cost hardware. It's not just me, either, complaints are increasingly common.




     

     

    It looks like the “repeat-x” and “repeat-y” attributes aren’t supported, so it just keeps going. BUT WHY DOES IT RENDER CORRECTLY WHEN YOU’RE ACTUALLY TYPING IT?! <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

    Oh, the... what’s it called... Ah, the marquee tag in HTML. That shows up correctly here! But it doesn’t render when the post actually posts.

  • Reply 127 of 217
    tmaytmay Posts: 5,761member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post



    Why do you think those few "die-hard Android fans" committed to Nexus models are doing so much hand-wringing this past week over some non-Nexus models beating them to the punch with Android 5.0 (ie Moto X, LG G3). Read the comments and you'll find the biggest reason they bought their Nexus was to get the latest and greatest OS faster than anyone else. For them it wasn't about the hardware or unique features. That makes them a tiny, nonetheless important, segment of the Android marketplace

    So, in essence,there isn't really any need for Nexus branded tablets at all as the OEM's are perfectly capable of providing timely delivery of the latest Android update, and in hardware defined for the most discerning user.

  • Reply 128 of 217
    volcan wrote: »
    I merely suggested a third alternative -- a server-side Swift web app -- could serve to a client-side Swift-aware Browser or Swift app on Apple Macs or iDevices ... and gain functionality and efficiency.

     
    See, this is exactly what Microsoft did in the 90s putting VB inside Internet Explorer. It was a miserable failure and only served to break the Internet.

    That's not what I am suggesting!

    As Apple has one of the most efficient implementations of JavaScript in it's Safari browsers -- it would be stupid for them to abandon that.

    A.  If I want to write an iOS or OS X app that accesses the web, I can use:
    1. a server-side Java app communicating directly with a client-side Java app
    2. a server-side Java app serving to a client-side HTML/CSS JavaScript interpred app

    B:  Alternatively:
    1. a server-side Swift app communicating directly with a client-side Swift app
    2. a server-side Swift app serving to a client-side HTML/CSS JavaScript interpreted app

    With me so far?

    If they so desire, Apple can implement a Swift Interpreter in addition to the JavaScript interpreter (they already have done that)

    a server-side Swift app serving to a client-side HTML/CSS JavaScript interpreted or Swift interpreted app


    Where the client is capable of running a Swift interpreter, (Mac, iDevice) -- functionality, reliability and efficiency could be gained at both ends!

    This would give developers writing specifically for Apple -- Apple communication an advantage ... but it wouldn't break the internet!

    But, there is no reason why Apple couldn't submit a Swift Interpreter as an open standard -- which I suspect they will do.
  • Reply 129 of 217
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ascii View Post

     

    Intel will close the gap eventually. Chip design is not magic and they are not stupid. And while they're playing catch up, they have to keep an x86 ecosystem alive in that space, hence the subsidies.


     

    x86 is a legacy instruction set which is always going to have an overhead of microcode and translating instructions into the lowest level.

    That's why x86 will always trail ARM based chips in efficiency. So, you are right, there is no magic in chip design.

  • Reply 130 of 217
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,799member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post



    Where the client is capable of running a Swift interpreter, (Mac, iDevice) -- functionality, reliability and efficiency could be gained at both ends!



    This would give developers writing specifically for Apple -- Apple communication an advantage ... but it wouldn't break the internet!



    But, there is no reason why Apple couldn't submit a Swift Interpreter as an open standard -- which I suspect they will do.

    Sorry Dick, you indeed are suggesting Apple do EXACTLY what MS did with VB. It is just completely wrong for the Internet and now you are back pedaling. We should all be working toward standards compliance between web browsers. If someone wants to target Apple devices, write an app. If you want to write a web application to be viewed in browsers keep it standards based. The last thing you would want to do is create a website with proprietary code targeting a specific proprietary browser.

  • Reply 131 of 217
    volcan wrote: »

    See, this is exactly what Microsoft did in the 90s putting VB inside Internet Explorer. It was a miserable failure and only served to break the Internet.

    Since we've wandered WOT, the internet is already broken ...

    Bloated, inefficient use of bandwidth, ISP limiting speed, insecure, lack of privacy, mind-numbing ads and distractions such as autoplay videos. open to tracking, crawlers who harvest data, open to hackers who can reverse-engineer a site and misdirect to another ...

    As an exampleof the latter, I displayed the source of an AI page -- here's a partial display of what's available to anyone ... if you search, you can find your name and mine, what we say ...:
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  • Reply 132 of 217
    danoxdanox Posts: 1,164member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post





    Do you have sales numbers? Seriously.



    (And I don't mean the pap put out by consulting firms).

     

    Look at Google's earning reports, there isn't any hardware profit. The same applies to Amazon.

  • Reply 133 of 217

    remember pentium 4?  intel is the devil,  intel flat out dont care.    i once posted a thread on notebookreview.com back in 2008 ---titled" intel too little too late "  ,  and got my ip adress permantly banned from that website.  

    sad story but its true. 

  • Reply 134 of 217
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,799member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post





    Since we've wandered WOT, the internet is already broken ...

     

    Not really. Ugly and annoying, but not technically broken.

     

    If you read the code you posted carefully you will see

     

    <code>

    <!--[if lt IE 9]><script>modernbrowser = false;

    </code>

     

    Now that is broken.

  • Reply 135 of 217
    Since we've wandered WOT, the internet is already broken ...

    1000
  • Reply 136 of 217
    volcan wrote: »
    Where the client is capable of running a Swift interpreter, (Mac, iDevice) -- functionality, reliability and efficiency could be gained at both ends!


    This would give developers writing specifically for Apple -- Apple communication an advantage ... but it wouldn't break the internet!


    But, there is no reason why Apple couldn't submit a Swift Interpreter as an open standard -- which I suspect they will do.
    Sorry Dick, you indeed are suggesting Apple do EXACTLY what MS did with VB. It is just completely wrong for the Internet and now you are back pedaling. We should all be working toward standards compliance between web browsers. If someone wants to target Apple devices, write an app. If you want to write a web application to be viewed in browsers keep it standards based. The last thing you would want to do is create a website with proprietary code targeting a specific proprietary browser.

    That's 180 degrees out from what I want!

    I think that Swift is (will soon be) a superior Scripting Language to JavaScript -- for all the same reasons it is superior to other compiled languages.

    I want to see Apple offer Swift Scripting as a standard (alternative to JavaScript) ala WebKit ... I suspect that App;e wants to do that too!

    In a post after yours, i illustrated how the internet is already with the source * available to any client-side visitor ... I would like to see this rectified. A new [Swift] implementation could help address this ...
  • Reply 137 of 217
    solipsismy wrote: »
    Since we've wandered WOT, the internet is already broken ...

    1000

    The Internet has a big wet butt ... I rest my case!
  • Reply 138 of 217
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 2,246member
    appex wrote: »
    And yet Intel x86 is a must for true compatibility.

    For now!. Only on the Windows PC. Apple can make the switch in the future to their own processors in there pc market. Maybe with the A10!. Apple made the switch uhh the past and it's possible to make a switch once again in the future. MAC OSX and iOS have been bending features and that we'll continue.
  • Reply 139 of 217
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

    It looks like the “repeat-x” and “repeat-y” attributes aren’t supported, so it just keeps going. BUT WHY DOES IT RENDER CORRECTLY WHEN YOU’RE ACTUALLY TYPING IT?! <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

    Oh, the... what’s it called... Ah, the marquee tag in HTML. That shows up correctly here! But it doesn’t render when the post actually posts.


     

    I'm sure it works great on Huddler's only officially supported browser: GOOGLE CHROME. Because Google pays the bills.

  • Reply 140 of 217
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Elijahg View Post





    No, chip design isn't magic; but getting an ancient CISC architecture like x86 running efficiently is. CISC CPUs are much more complex than RISC (ARM/PPC/Apple) ones, since they have to handle a much larger variety of assembler instructions. In a similar fashion to how PPC was faster and more efficient than x86 back in the mid to late 1990s, ARM's architecture is much simpler, more efficient and per CPU cycle, it does more work. It was designed for efficiency from the start, x86 wasn't.

     

    This table of transistor counts shows a Sandy Bridge quad core i7 with GPU having 1.16bn transistors, while the latest A8X tri-core has 3bn (but a much better GPU). So while ARM is more efficient than x86 architecture in terms of transistors (and therefore power) for CPU cores, the CPU transistor numbers are dwarfed (these days, not initially) by the GPU and cache memory anyway.

     

    The reason ARM took off was their low power, but also because all these mobile devices use SoC, not standalone CPUs, and they were willing to license CPU designs to SoC makers but Intel insisted on making and selling separate CPUs. Also I think a lot of power savings come from close integration with the OS, so Intel chose the wrong time to break up with Microsoft. What Apple has to watch out for is Intel getting better at GPU design, and contributing to the Linux kernel to make it integrate better with their chips. They have already open sourced their GPU driver I believe.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_count

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