Apple slams BBC report on suppliers, says provided facts were 'clearly missing' from broadcast

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  • Reply 121 of 146
    muppetrymuppetry Posts: 3,331member
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    Just the expression "state-owned media", in implying "state-controlled media", misses the point to begin with. State control of the BBC has always been rather minimal. The license system does seem archaic but, historically, it has permitted a well-funded and high-quality source of news, documentaries and other programming without the annoying commercials that everyone else endures and without an imposed partisan bias. There is nothing wrong with government funding per se if it doesn't engage in editorial meddling. That does not mean that every program is good, or balanced, and the Panorama documentary in question does not look like one of their finest moments.




    After the completely biased coverage of the Scottish independence campaign it is clear who the BBC get their orders from. They buried loads of positive articles regarding independence until after the vote. The BBC is just the flag waving arm of the Government.



    Well, you probably have quite strong views on that issue yourself, so you may not be an impartial judge of the BBC coverage. I followed that issue quite closely and the BBC reporting seemed fairly balanced. I'm not clear what you mean by "buried articles". Articles by whom? In any case, the BBC has a long record of pissing off governments of both flavours on any number of issues, so the accusation that they are a state propaganda organ is just silly.

  • Reply 122 of 146
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,347member
    Im liking this new Apple, being vocal, direct, and quick about smacking down these lazy, cowardly, hit-whore stories. Im glad they're not letting this shit go unanswered. This is the right strategy.
  • Reply 123 of 146
    I watched this program on BBC One. I must say that nowhere was there any documentation shown to back up the claims made. There was no sign of any workers busy with Apple iPhones. In Indonesia there were only the statements of children and their fathers to back up the claim that Apple is somehow involved in illegal tin mining. The child was particularly cute, with white specs on its face.

    The whole program was an undiluted attempt to put Apple in the worst light possible. A hit piece if ever there was one. And not a single reference to any other sellers of electronics, who are at least as guilty as Apple but probably more so.
  • Reply 124 of 146
    Seems endemic of most British media, really…
    Seems endemic of most British media, really…
    if you lived here you'd appreciate how barmy your comment is. The British media is unremittingly critical of government and despite your views that includes the BBC. I'm sorry in this thread we have the USA and UK at loggerheads. Neither the BBC nor Apple are blameless.
  • Reply 125 of 146
    appexappex Posts: 687member

     Human exploitation of millions, lingering slavery, to make some super-ultra-rich. Obscene.

  • Reply 126 of 146
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    "In response, we're delisting all BBC apps and content from the App Store and iTunes Store."



     

    If only...




    +1! It would immediately restore Apple's clean public image.

  • Reply 127 of 146
    scineram wrote: »
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/183985/apple-slams-bbc-report-on-suppliers-says-provided-facts-were-clearly-missing-from-broadcast#post_2653251" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>TheWhiteFalcon</strong> <a href="/t/183985/apple-slams-bbc-report-on-suppliers-says-provided-facts-were-clearly-missing-from-broadcast#post_2653251"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br /> <p>"In response, we're delisting all BBC apps and content from the App Store and iTunes Store."</p><p><br /> </p><p>If only...</p></div></div><p><br />+1! It would immediately restore Apple's clean public image.</p>
    Don't be silly. All it would do is make Apple look like they can't take critism.
  • Reply 128 of 146
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    slurpy wrote: »
    Im liking this new Apple, being vocal, direct, and quick about smacking down these lazy, cowardly, hit-whore stories. Im glad they're not letting this shit go unanswered. This is the right strategy.

    Doesn't matter. Go look at the threads over at MacRumors. Most of the posters there basically saying Apple lies or only cares about making more profit at the expense of the poor factory workers in China. Apple can say whatever it wants. It's not going to change the mind of those who think it's the epitome of the big, bad capitalist corporation. And that only if Apple spend some of its cash or made less profit then the issue in China would go away,

    Mike Elgan and his guest on Twit news today got it right though: http://twit.tv/show/tech-news-today/1159
  • Reply 129 of 146
    dewmedewme Posts: 4,183member
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     Human exploitation of millions, lingering slavery, to make some super-ultra-rich. Obscene.


     

    You're obviously on the wrong site. We're not talking about the garment and fashion industry over the past 25 years or the workings of the communist party. Please do your homework and come back with a single concrete example of a global manufacturing company in any industry that is operating with more ethics, integrity, and compassion for workers in the supply chain than is Apple.

     

    Just one example will do. One. Uno. 

  • Reply 130 of 146
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    I find it interesting that the BBC focused their report on Apple. It's not like Foxconn, Pegatron and how they're all called also manufacture pretty much every other mobile device money can buy, with working conditions probably even worse.

     

    Also, if they were interested in a truly relevant story for the UK, why didn't they do an insider report on the NHS? Working shifts of 14 hours over night are normal. Staff are so tired they fall asleep on the job too while singlehandedly taking care of entire labs. Their nightshift pay was just cut by 80% in October, there were even demonstrations in the streets.

     

    Of course the BBC looks the other way. Never bite the hand that feeds you, so they stay well clean of criticizing the government. I love their nature programmes, but from a journalistic point of view, they've totally degraded to a pro-government propaganda outlet.

     

    This Apple story just distracts from the sorry reality in the UK itself.




    Matyoroy the first part of your comment is spot on but the last couple of paragraphs are way off beam. The license fee ensures that the BBC are editorially independent and free to report as they please. Just listen to the grilling that politicians get on Radio 4 before you insinuate that they are frightened to bite the hand that feeds them - they are challenging to the point of being abrasive. You'll get a much more balanced view of the news here than say on Fox in the States. The BBC have already uncovered issues such as mistreatment in care homes and some NHS issues. It is well known that the government believes the Beeb to be too liberal and left-leaning.

    Before you start slagging Britain off it is a wonderful place to live  - obviously not as wealthy as Switzerland, but then we've never really recovered from funding the war against the Nazis when the Swiss remained neutral.

  • Reply 131 of 146
    asciiascii Posts: 5,941member

    If these subcontractors are just paying lip service to Apple's rules, then maybe Apple could open their own factory over there. Are foreign companies allowed to do that in China?

  • Reply 132 of 146

    Interesting how a corporation that has 'lost its moral compass', according to a British MP, is willing to demean itself further to deride one that hasn't.

  • Reply 133 of 146

    You'd need to live in the UK and watch the BBC to get the fact it slaps off the government, of whatever colour, on a regular and sustained basis.  Panorama is well known for this kind of investigative journalism, usually however it is a better standard than this.  Getting non-Brits to understand why on earth we have a publicly funded BBC is virtually impossible so I get the views expressed on this thread, utter incomprehension!  The pity is we seem to have the USA v the UK going on here, which given the real scumbags out there in the world which we both want to get rid of is a real shame.

  • Reply 134 of 146
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,685member
    entropys wrote: »
    while state owned media certainly can be state controlled, that wasn't the question I was asking. It was why scarce taxpayers' funds were still being used to spend a kings ransom on a service already provided by a multitude of private sector providers. There is no market failure to be addressed and there should be a hell of a lot of more worthy uses for those dollars/pounds, like hospitals, schools etc.

    The issue I have with the licence ( it's a tax) is that a very poor person pays the same as Branson and they have to pay it whether they watch the BBC or not. It should be funded like PBS, privatised, or if it must be publicly funded just because it should be funded out of the UK consolidated fund from general taxation.

    On your issue, in the Anglosphere countries I would observe that quasi-government institutions tend to be captured by the interests of their staff rather than the taxpayer or the politicians. So in the media world BBC, CBC and ABC (Australia) are essentially made up of multiple little fiefdoms each running their own agenda with no attention paid to management.

    Historically the licence has been accepted because it's considered to provide a better service than the competitors. part of that service used to be an unbiased news service.

    Panorama used to be part of that. This report is as click-bait anti-Apple as a typical business insider article. We're I still in the UK I would withhold my licence and vote to disband the BBC.
  • Reply 135 of 146
    asdasd wrote: »
    entropys wrote: »
    while state owned media certainly can be state controlled, that wasn't the question I was asking. It was why scarce taxpayers' funds were still being used to spend a kings ransom on a service already provided by a multitude of private sector providers. There is no market failure to be addressed and there should be a hell of a lot of more worthy uses for those dollars/pounds, like hospitals, schools etc.

    The issue I have with the licence ( it's a tax) is that a very poor person pays the same as Branson and they have to pay it whether they watch the BBC or not. It should be funded like PBS, privatised, or if it must be publicly funded just because it should be funded out of the UK consolidated fund from general taxation.

    On your issue, in the Anglosphere countries I would observe that quasi-government institutions tend to be captured by the interests of their staff rather than the taxpayer or the politicians. So in the media world BBC, CBC and ABC (Australia) are essentially made up of multiple little fiefdoms each running their own agenda with no attention paid to management.

    Historically the licence has been accepted because it's considered to provide a better service than the competitors. part of that service used to be an unbiased news service.

    Panorama used to be part of that. This report is as click-bait anti-Apple as a typical business insider article. We're I still in the UK I would withhold my licence and vote to disband the BBC.
    Were you still in the UK and wanted to watch TV live then you can't withhold the licence fee and since currently no political party that has a realistic chance of having the power to disband the BBC is advocating disbanding the BBC you would be hard pressed to find a party to vote for.
  • Reply 136 of 146

    Actually, the final breaking of the UK was America threatening to sell your debt over the Suez Canal. It was a mistake in retrospect, but if you wanted a moment that it became clear the UK was finished as a world power, that was it.
  • Reply 137 of 146

    Actually, the final breaking of the UK was America threatening to sell your debt over the Suez Canal. It was a mistake in retrospect, but if you wanted a moment that it became clear the UK was finished as a world power, that was it.

    If you actually did your research, you'd find that the uk, or to be more specific The City Of London - is actually the financial capital of the world - with New York being a very close second. Trust me, the UK is far from dead as a ruling elite and has its sticky fingers in evey possible pie worth having on the planet. We realised a long time ago that we could get the US to do our dirty work for us. Don't forget we wrote the rules.
  • Reply 138 of 146
    Are workers required to work 60 hour weeks? If so that's inhumane. The fact that Apple even allowed this to happen in the first place shows they give scant regard to the welfare of workers at their suppliers.

    Sure many people in the west work 60 hour weeks, but in most cases they choose to do that amount of overtime and can't be forced to do it, and they get big big dollars as a result.

    If Tim Cook says he's offended by the BBC showing the truth then that just goes to show what kind of person he is. It reflects poorly on him and Apple.
  • Reply 139 of 146
    It's really too bad that the news media and I do mean ALL of the news media (yes Fox this especially means you!) has become the ultimate gossip machine producing very little in the way of actual news and then only report a small portion to get more 'ratings' not the whole truth! As far as this report goes, IF they wanted to induce change, they should get an audience with the contry's government which the infractions are being reported, show it to them and attempt to make change happen, instead of producing some BS report that is nothing more than a hit on a company that can only do so much for their contracted suppliers, and in fact are doing more in that area than anyone else!!!
  • Reply 140 of 146
    Originally Posted by Waltg View Post

    …yes Fox this especially means you!

     

    I imagine all the people who say this have never actually watched the channel.

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