It will come. YouTube may even have already encoded all their content as H.265 but simply haven't enabled its access at this point because there are so few HW decoders out there to make it viable.
Just pulled Flash off my MBA, will remove it from other computers as time allows.
I did that quite some time ago, and have felt literally zero negative impact. In fact, internet browsing seems faster on my MB Air, but that could just be me. Good decision, my friend. I have been waiting for quite some time for Flash to be pushed aside.
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the reason Adobe gave up on mobile precisely because iOS didn't support it so zero market? Didn't early Android mobile devices brag about supporting Flash?
Nope.
There was a product called Flash Lite that was designed for mobile devices, which was basically Flash 7. When the iPhone and Android devices came out, Adobe initially created flash players, but Apple wouldn't permit flash on their platform, and the Android devices were falling over trying to run flash, so as the android platform continued to fragment, Adobe threw in the towel. Adobe also discontinued the generic flash runtime on Linux.
What you get now is the Flash AIR runtime when you target the iOS platform. This accomplishes what flash was supposed to be used for (lightweight vector animation) and not what Adobe tried to turn Flash into (A generic video player), instead Unity has completely stolen Adobe's lunch on the "mobile games" front, and software like ToonBoom Studio (well ToonBoom Harmony) replaced Adobe Flash with animation studios.
So really, the only market that is still using Flash are advertisers, and there's too much inertia to change them unless browsers stop relying on the flash plugin for video. Many advertisers still rely on "document.write" to do everything, which is why malware spreads so fast through advertisement networks.
There was a product called Flash Lite that was designed for mobile devices, which was basically Flash 7. When the iPhone and Android devices came out, Adobe initially created flash players, but Apple wouldn't permit flash on their platform, and the Android devices were falling over trying to run flash, so as the android platform continued to fragment, Adobe threw in the towel. Adobe also discontinued the generic flash runtime on Linux.
Apple probably would have never supported Flash Lite even if it was as feature rich and useful as the desktop version, as well as being impossibly resource friendly, but the guilt still falls on Adobe's shoulders for creating such a horrible product. They were simply caught off guard by the revolution spurred by the iPhone so it was far too late when they finally decided to invest some decent resources into building a decent version of Flash for the mobile platform. By then, it was simply not a requirement with much better alternatives avaialble which is why all those "trillions" of Android activations per second weren't enough to make it a mobile standard. If there is any industry where you can't get lazy, it's technology.
I bought a new MacBook Pro in December. It came with Flash Player installed, but it didn't have the Flash Preference pane installed, so I couldn't set the security settings (disallowing Flash cookies and all that) without going to the Flash website. It's almost like Apple couldn't decide if they should pre-install Flash or not, so they just installed part of it.
Delete Flash from your computer and get ClickToFlash.
Not only will you NOT be served the disgusting YouTube video window, you’ll be given a QuickTime frame.
1. You can preload the ENTIRE file instead of YouTube’s idiotic partial loading. 2. You can download the file with a right-click, since Safari 8 and Yosemite have downloading built right in. 3. NO ADS. AT ALL. NO popups, NO pre-video ads.
Without Flash installed what purpose would having ClicktoFlash installed serve?
Boy , Flash sure does get ripped on. The days of .swfs in web pages are over. Mostly due to the iOS embargo but also low power devices and newer responsive web technologies.
Flash lives quite nicely on our iPhones and IPads as native apps and those code bases also reach out as Android apps which is something Steve Jobs frowned on. Adobe AIR 16 creates 64 bit apps that run just great on iOS.
Work in any mobile shop and its former flashers and flex people who are building the apps you know and love.
I am a Flash developer yes, and i am also glad web page Flash is going away. It served a cool purpose for over a decade, which is a major accomplishment. Now it lives on as cross compile app middleware. Adobe is probably not the leader here but they have a solid platform and are top 3.
Even though I mostly work in JavaScript the last 8 years, we still run AS3 (flash) projects for cross app development when appropriate.
History will be kinder to Adobe Flash than you guys
The days of .swfs in web pages are over. Mostly due to the iOS embargo...
No it's not. iOS just made it obvious to all how bad Flash was, but this wouldn't have been half as bad for Adobe had they not stated how great Flash was on mobile and how they hadn't lied about having it ready to go on iOS if only Apple would allow it. Fuçk them!
Adobe AIR 16 creates 64 bit apps that run just great on iOS.
That's not the same as Flash Lite for playing back YouTube videos and other (then) necessary and common components used on websites.
It will come. YouTube may even have already encoded all their content as H.265 but simply haven't enabled its access at this point because there are so few HW decoders out there to make it viable.
Doubt it. They completely stopped encoding in MP4 above 720p. They don’t care about standards, only WebM.
Doubt it. They completely stopped encoding in MP4 above 720p. They don’t care about standards, only WebM.
Really? I thought they had only talked about that. To me WebM over H.265 is like Blackberry trying to say that the iPhone won't catch on because there is no physical keyboard.
No it's not. iOS just made it obvious to all how bad Flash was, but this wouldn't have been half as bad for Adobe had they not stated how great Flash was on mobile and how they hadn't lied about having it ready to go on iOS if only Apple would allow it. Fuçk them!
That's not the same as Flash Lite for playing back YouTube videos and other (then) necessary and common components used on websites.
Flash wasn't that bad though. I remember in the days before Flash, trying to get web videos to play with Realplayer or Quicktime and half the time it was unreliable and didn't work. The Flash plugin was the first reliable way to play videos on the Internet. But it's time has come, you can play videos using web standards now, and plus they have had many years to get on top of their security issues and have not succeeded. So it's ready to join the floppy disk and CRT monitor in that great dustbin of history.
Flash wasn't that bad though. I remember in the days before Flash, trying to get web videos to play with Realplayer or Quicktime and half the time it was unreliable and didn't work. The Flash plugin was the first reliable way to play videos on the Internet. But it's time has come, you can play videos using web standards now, and plus they have had many years to get on top of their security issues and have not succeeded. So it's ready to join the floppy disk and CRT monitor in that great dustbin of history.
That's on the desktop. It was a major innovation and breakthrough for an interactive internet there, but not on mobile.
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YES!!!!! I was only venting on this forum a couple of days ago about this. Goodbye Flash, gone forever from my computer.
It will come. YouTube may even have already encoded all their content as H.265 but simply haven't enabled its access at this point because there are so few HW decoders out there to make it viable.
I wonder how former "Flash Evangelist" Lee Brimelow of Adobe feels about this latest development?
I did that quite some time ago, and have felt literally zero negative impact. In fact, internet browsing seems faster on my MB Air, but that could just be me. Good decision, my friend. I have been waiting for quite some time for Flash to be pushed aside.
Nope.
There was a product called Flash Lite that was designed for mobile devices, which was basically Flash 7. When the iPhone and Android devices came out, Adobe initially created flash players, but Apple wouldn't permit flash on their platform, and the Android devices were falling over trying to run flash, so as the android platform continued to fragment, Adobe threw in the towel. Adobe also discontinued the generic flash runtime on Linux.
What you get now is the Flash AIR runtime when you target the iOS platform. This accomplishes what flash was supposed to be used for (lightweight vector animation) and not what Adobe tried to turn Flash into (A generic video player), instead Unity has completely stolen Adobe's lunch on the "mobile games" front, and software like ToonBoom Studio (well ToonBoom Harmony) replaced Adobe Flash with animation studios.
So really, the only market that is still using Flash are advertisers, and there's too much inertia to change them unless browsers stop relying on the flash plugin for video. Many advertisers still rely on "document.write" to do everything, which is why malware spreads so fast through advertisement networks.
Apple probably would have never supported Flash Lite even if it was as feature rich and useful as the desktop version, as well as being impossibly resource friendly, but the guilt still falls on Adobe's shoulders for creating such a horrible product. They were simply caught off guard by the revolution spurred by the iPhone so it was far too late when they finally decided to invest some decent resources into building a decent version of Flash for the mobile platform. By then, it was simply not a requirement with much better alternatives avaialble which is why all those "trillions" of Android activations per second weren't enough to make it a mobile standard. If there is any industry where you can't get lazy, it's technology.
Without Flash installed what purpose would having ClicktoFlash installed serve?
Hasta va vista, Flashie.
Flash lives quite nicely on our iPhones and IPads as native apps and those code bases also reach out as Android apps which is something Steve Jobs frowned on. Adobe AIR 16 creates 64 bit apps that run just great on iOS.
Work in any mobile shop and its former flashers and flex people who are building the apps you know and love.
I am a Flash developer yes, and i am also glad web page Flash is going away. It served a cool purpose for over a decade, which is a major accomplishment. Now it lives on as cross compile app middleware. Adobe is probably not the leader here but they have a solid platform and are top 3.
Even though I mostly work in JavaScript the last 8 years, we still run AS3 (flash) projects for cross app development when appropriate.
History will be kinder to Adobe Flash than you guys
No it's not. iOS just made it obvious to all how bad Flash was, but this wouldn't have been half as bad for Adobe had they not stated how great Flash was on mobile and how they hadn't lied about having it ready to go on iOS if only Apple would allow it. Fuçk them!
That's not the same as Flash Lite for playing back YouTube videos and other (then) necessary and common components used on websites.
Doubt it. They completely stopped encoding in MP4 above 720p. They don’t care about standards, only WebM.
Really? I thought they had only talked about that. To me WebM over H.265 is like Blackberry trying to say that the iPhone won't catch on because there is no physical keyboard.
No it's not. iOS just made it obvious to all how bad Flash was, but this wouldn't have been half as bad for Adobe had they not stated how great Flash was on mobile and how they hadn't lied about having it ready to go on iOS if only Apple would allow it. Fuçk them!
That's not the same as Flash Lite for playing back YouTube videos and other (then) necessary and common components used on websites.
Flash wasn't that bad though. I remember in the days before Flash, trying to get web videos to play with Realplayer or Quicktime and half the time it was unreliable and didn't work. The Flash plugin was the first reliable way to play videos on the Internet. But it's time has come, you can play videos using web standards now, and plus they have had many years to get on top of their security issues and have not succeeded. So it's ready to join the floppy disk and CRT monitor in that great dustbin of history.
That's on the desktop. It was a major innovation and breakthrough for an interactive internet there, but not on mobile.