I'd have more money than God if I had a dollar for every "I think Steve Jobs...." I've heard. The truth is nobody knew what SJ was thinking except for him.
The story will probably come out someday, and it will be very easy to tell what he thought about this.
And that's a classic reductio ad absurdum if I ever saw one.
The story will probably come out someday, and it will be very easy to tell what he thought about this.
Just because the technology to build something exists doesn’t mean you have to build it.
In other words "you can't get your hand around it" which is the SJ quote I'm referring to.
Thinner side bezels, curved instead of flat sides, and thinner casing all make that small gain in display width a non-issue, and that's without considering all the other benefits gained between 2007 and today.
I simply don't understand how you, of all people, can't perceive the iPhone as 3-dimension object.
In other words "you can't get your hand around it" which is the SJ quote I'm referring to.
And those phones were fucking huge in order to use a larger display, which wasn't even an option for Apple because they don't use whatever displays a vendor may have lying around.
Thinner side bezels, curved instead of flat sides, and thinner casing all make that small gain in display width a non-issue, and that's without considering all the other benefits gained between 2007 and today.
I simply don't understand how you, of all people, can't perceive the iPhone as 3-dimension object.
I do, but the iPhone's thinness isn't that big of a deal. Our hands aren't flat when we grip things so something thicker can be gripped just as easily as something thin if the width is the same or close.
Samsung? innovate? Haha. Apple marches to the beat of its own drum.
Most of us are fine with competition. We just hate obvious thieves.
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Originally Posted by AndreiD
When did ever Samsung et all keep innovating and make great products?
Exactly. Competition is always very sane as long as it's fueled by the right principles (create a product the best you can, enough so to make human life better). When one company starts ripping off another company for ideas, designs, innovations and even price strategies then how is that competition?
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Originally Posted by Dabe
Man steals my property and starts selling it, creating so-called wondrous "competition" in the marketplace, and I should forget that it all began with theft?
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Originally Posted by DanielSW
Enough of this "competition is good" crap.
If Samsung, et al, had half a clue what it actually means to compete, they would have started from scratch, somehow would have gotten honest (if anyone of them had half a clue what THAT means), and would have paid their dues by truly innovating their OWN technology and products without stealing from and/or copying Apple.
Apple actually HASN'T HAD and doesn't need competition to have achieved what they have achieved.
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Complete fantasy, disconnected from all reality. Apple has been around for nearly 40 years; they don't play "race to the bottom" or "think same."
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This is a perpetual myth. Apple beats to it's own drum. It's not the sort of company that sits back and relaxes.
Wow! Some of you have swallowed a whole pitcher of the Apple kool-aid.
Apple did not invent the gui, mobile phone or touch screen. It has done a good job of combining these elements into a form factor people like with a good software interface, but it did not create the iPhone whole-cloth from raw materials.
And, it certainly didn't come up with the idea of increasing the size of the phone, which is the reason for the large increase in sales this quarter.
And, I am someone who has owned nothing but a Mac since 1988 and used nothing but an iPhone since the original.
Wow! Some of you have swallowed a whole pitcher of the Apple kool-aid.
Apple did not invent the gui, mobile phone or touch screen. It has done a good job of combining these elements into a form factor people like with a good software interface, but it did not create the iPhone whole-cloth from raw materials.
And, it certainly didn't come up with the idea of increasing the size of the phone, which is the reason for the large increase in sales this quarter.
And, I am someone who has owned nothing but a Mac since 1988 and used nothing but an iPhone since the original.
"...come up with the idea of increasing the size of the phone..."
Overheard in any marketing meeting: "We could make it bigger or smaller than what you see here."
I do, but the iPhone's thinness isn't that big of a deal. Our hands aren't flat when we grip things so something thicker can be gripped just as easily as something thin if the width is the same or close.
Could you show us where in any of the quoted posts that was said?
Show me where I said anyone did? (Nah nah nah!)
I thought it was obvious that I was making an exaggerated comment on all of the posts I quoted to the effect of how Apple is THE only company capable of any innovation. As if Apple and SteveGod hisself pulled the iPhone from its/his arse fully formed and it did not owe anything to any previous company, technology, etc.
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Any evidence of that?
The fact that the "ludicrous fourth quarter" came after the only substantive change to the phone was its size.
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This doesn’t make you less wrong.
It doesn't make me any less correct either. (Nah nah nah, again!) But, seriously, I'm guessing after your edit of your original reply that you know I included this information so people wouldn't assume I was a (don't say it out loud) "fandroid".
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Overheard in any marketing meeting: "We could make it bigger or smaller than what you see here."
And all the other marketers (and many a AI commenter) gasped with open-mouthed awe and said, "That's innovation!"
The fact that the "ludicrous fourth quarter" came after the only substantive change to the phone was its size.
1) There were lots of changes to the iPhone market this year.
2) Apple has had many, many outstanding quarters since Steve Job returned to Apple, and one with greater percentage increase YoY for a given quarter. Are you saying that these were because of the iPhone, even before 2007? Now that would be ludicrous.
And all the other marketers (and many a AI commenter) gasped with open-mouthed awe and said, "That's innovation!"
Show me a single comment where someone is saying that increasing the size of the display is innovation in and of itself. Remember that even the first Apple computer (pre-Mac) had a bigger display than any current iPhone.
1) There were lots of changes to the iPhone market this year.
But, the only substantive change to the phone itself was its size. Every iteration has had a faster processor, some software tweaks, etc. The single biggest reason for this year's monster growth was the larger size.
And, Cook and whomever else at Apple made this decision are due credit. It was clearly a smart marketing move. But, was it innovative? No.
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Apple has had many, many outstanding quarters since Steve Job returned to Apple, and one with greater percentage increase YoY for a given quarter. Are you saying that these were because of the iPhone, even before 2007?
No. I'm not saying this. I'm saying the principal cause of this quarter's jump in sales is due to the size increase. And, size increase is not innovative.
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Show me a single comment where someone is saying that increasing the size of the display is innovation in and of itself.
I can't. But, then I never said anyone did make that claim. I only said I believe the huge increase in sales is due to the size increase.
My quoting and comment on all those posts hailing Apple's innovation while stating no other company is even remotely capable of innovation, was only meant to show how ludicrous I think taking such a one-sided, close-minded, there-is-only-one-fount-of-innovation-and-IT-IS-Apple, sounds. This is just not how science, technology and the business of technology works.
And all the other marketers (and many a AI commenter) gasped with open-mouthed awe and said, "That's innovation!"
You and dasanman69 both seem to have an obsessive / compulsive relationship to some words spoiken by Steve Jobs years ago, and another word, "innovation".
Yet, and I would tell you accurately, Apple's innovation wasn't the size of its new iPhones, it was bringing the iPhone, iOS and the ecosystem to the size.
I would argue as well that if Apple were to bring the current iPhone design to the 4 inch screen, that too would sell well, though maybe not like the iPhones 6 and 6+, and that too would be innovative.
It would be possible for innovation in the past to a size of screen, resolution, or whatever, and at the same time, be innovative for Apple to bring the iPhone to the size. Both would accurately describe innovation.
More to the point of all this, who gives a flying ....... about motives! Did Apple do it to make money, to enter that part of the market? Yes, and per the definition, that is the part of "innovation", creating value for which the customer will pay, and pay they did; in spades.
Now if Apple would go back to the 4 inch screen, and innovate that with Apple Pay, performance and design elements of the iPhone 6, that too would be innovative as it creates both value and people would pay for that.
Apple's been in business for almost 40 years. Are you saying they shouldn't bring technologies, features from its other product lines to the iPhone and vice versa? iPhone wasn't designed in a vacuum. Apple has a history of making screens larger or smaller on its products.
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1) Human hands are designed with certain characteristics, which you're conveniently ignoring in what you call a "logical" comment.
2) It's what you should be referring to, because of 1).
And that's a classic reductio ad absurdum if I ever saw one.
The story will probably come out someday, and it will be very easy to tell what he thought about this.
In other words "you can't get your hand around it" which is the SJ quote I'm referring to.
Just because the technology to build something exists doesn’t mean you have to build it.
Thinner side bezels, curved instead of flat sides, and thinner casing all make that small gain in display width a non-issue, and that's without considering all the other benefits gained between 2007 and today.
I simply don't understand how you, of all people, can't perceive the iPhone as 3-dimension object.
And those phones were fucking huge in order to use a larger display, which wasn't even an option for Apple because they don't use whatever displays a vendor may have lying around.
I do, but the iPhone's thinness isn't that big of a deal. Our hands aren't flat when we grip things so something thicker can be gripped just as easily as something thin if the width is the same or close.
Samsung? innovate? Haha. Apple marches to the beat of its own drum.
Most of us are fine with competition. We just hate obvious thieves.
When did ever Samsung et all keep innovating and make great products?
Exactly. Competition is always very sane as long as it's fueled by the right principles (create a product the best you can, enough so to make human life better). When one company starts ripping off another company for ideas, designs, innovations and even price strategies then how is that competition?
Man steals my property and starts selling it, creating so-called wondrous "competition" in the marketplace, and I should forget that it all began with theft?
Enough of this "competition is good" crap.
If Samsung, et al, had half a clue what it actually means to compete, they would have started from scratch, somehow would have gotten honest (if anyone of them had half a clue what THAT means), and would have paid their dues by truly innovating their OWN technology and products without stealing from and/or copying Apple.
Apple actually HASN'T HAD and doesn't need competition to have achieved what they have achieved.
Complete fantasy, disconnected from all reality. Apple has been around for nearly 40 years; they don't play "race to the bottom" or "think same."
This is a perpetual myth. Apple beats to it's own drum. It's not the sort of company that sits back and relaxes.
Wow! Some of you have swallowed a whole pitcher of the Apple kool-aid.
Apple did not invent the gui, mobile phone or touch screen. It has done a good job of combining these elements into a form factor people like with a good software interface, but it did not create the iPhone whole-cloth from raw materials.
And, it certainly didn't come up with the idea of increasing the size of the phone, which is the reason for the large increase in sales this quarter.
And, I am someone who has owned nothing but a Mac since 1988 and used nothing but an iPhone since the original.
Apple did not invent the gui, mobile phone or touch screen.
Could you show us where in any of the quoted posts that was said?
It bought the cloth and hand-stitched the outfit, for sure.
Any evidence of that?
This doesn’t make you less wrong.
Wow! Some of you have swallowed a whole pitcher of the Apple kool-aid.
Apple did not invent the gui, mobile phone or touch screen. It has done a good job of combining these elements into a form factor people like with a good software interface, but it did not create the iPhone whole-cloth from raw materials.
And, it certainly didn't come up with the idea of increasing the size of the phone, which is the reason for the large increase in sales this quarter.
And, I am someone who has owned nothing but a Mac since 1988 and used nothing but an iPhone since the original.
"...come up with the idea of increasing the size of the phone..."
Overheard in any marketing meeting: "We could make it bigger or smaller than what you see here."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thenar_eminence
Show me where I said anyone did? (Nah nah nah!)
I thought it was obvious that I was making an exaggerated comment on all of the posts I quoted to the effect of how Apple is THE only company capable of any innovation. As if Apple and SteveGod hisself pulled the iPhone from its/his arse fully formed and it did not owe anything to any previous company, technology, etc.
The fact that the "ludicrous fourth quarter" came after the only substantive change to the phone was its size.
It doesn't make me any less correct either. (Nah nah nah, again!) But, seriously, I'm guessing after your edit of your original reply that you know I included this information so people wouldn't assume I was a (don't say it out loud) "fandroid".
Quote:Overheard in any marketing meeting: "We could make it bigger or smaller than what you see here."
And all the other marketers (and many a AI commenter) gasped with open-mouthed awe and said, "That's innovation!"
1) There were lots of changes to the iPhone market this year.
2) Apple has had many, many outstanding quarters since Steve Job returned to Apple, and one with greater percentage increase YoY for a given quarter. Are you saying that these were because of the iPhone, even before 2007? Now that would be ludicrous.
Show me a single comment where someone is saying that increasing the size of the display is innovation in and of itself. Remember that even the first Apple computer (pre-Mac) had a bigger display than any current iPhone.
Then you shouldn’t have said it at all, since it’s just a strawman.
But, the only substantive change to the phone itself was its size. Every iteration has had a faster processor, some software tweaks, etc. The single biggest reason for this year's monster growth was the larger size.
And, Cook and whomever else at Apple made this decision are due credit. It was clearly a smart marketing move. But, was it innovative? No.
No. I'm not saying this. I'm saying the principal cause of this quarter's jump in sales is due to the size increase. And, size increase is not innovative.
I can't. But, then I never said anyone did make that claim. I only said I believe the huge increase in sales is due to the size increase.
My quoting and comment on all those posts hailing Apple's innovation while stating no other company is even remotely capable of innovation, was only meant to show how ludicrous I think taking such a one-sided, close-minded, there-is-only-one-fount-of-innovation-and-IT-IS-Apple, sounds. This is just not how science, technology and the business of technology works.
Yeah, you’re a troll. And an infant. Get out.
You're not very smart, are you?
And all the other marketers (and many a AI commenter) gasped with open-mouthed awe and said, "That's innovation!"
You and dasanman69 both seem to have an obsessive / compulsive relationship to some words spoiken by Steve Jobs years ago, and another word, "innovation".
Yet, and I would tell you accurately, Apple's innovation wasn't the size of its new iPhones, it was bringing the iPhone, iOS and the ecosystem to the size.
Innovation:
"The process of translating an idea or invention into a good or service that creates value or for which customers will pay."
Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/innovation.html#ixzz3QIEQ426K
I would argue as well that if Apple were to bring the current iPhone design to the 4 inch screen, that too would sell well, though maybe not like the iPhones 6 and 6+, and that too would be innovative.
It would be possible for innovation in the past to a size of screen, resolution, or whatever, and at the same time, be innovative for Apple to bring the iPhone to the size. Both would accurately describe innovation.
More to the point of all this, who gives a flying ....... about motives! Did Apple do it to make money, to enter that part of the market? Yes, and per the definition, that is the part of "innovation", creating value for which the customer will pay, and pay they did; in spades.
Now if Apple would go back to the 4 inch screen, and innovate that with Apple Pay, performance and design elements of the iPhone 6, that too would be innovative as it creates both value and people would pay for that.
Sorry, Only linked to Apple, regardless of fact.
Jobs is dead. That was 7 years ago. Just like people shouldn't use "Jobs would/wouldn't...", people should stop bringing up a quote from 8 years ago.
Apple's been in business for almost 40 years. Are you saying they shouldn't bring technologies, features from its other product lines to the iPhone and vice versa? iPhone wasn't designed in a vacuum. Apple has a history of making screens larger or smaller on its products.
Can you send me the English version?