By whom, the same people who claimed weapons of mass destruction were located "over there" in large numbers to start a war?......or maybe by the same "hired" doctors that still claim that smoking does not cause cancer? Believe what you want, I guess, but don't be afraid to use critical thinking for fear of having to change your mind. That's how we learn.
But is "a okay" for us to advance their evil empire with millions of manufacturing dollars for USA companies.
Who said that? I want China to sit and spin. I wish we still didn’t recognize their government.
As do most clear thinking Americans, but face it, there are few clear thinking Americans. Everyone is angry. You can see it how they drive, the way they talk and the programs on TV. They have no regard for anyone except themselves. The whole world is in a state of disfunction.
As do most clear thinking Americans, but face it, there are few clear thinking Americans. Everyone is angry. You can see it how they drive, the way they talk and the programs on TV. They have no regard for anyone except themselves. The whole world is in a state of disfunction.
The Day will come. There will be a day of normalization whereafter these behaviors will no longer be considered acceptable, much less tolerable.
Apple needs to get to some form of factory automation as soon as possible. Any way you look at it, and I love Apple's products and values otherwise, this is slavery. It is a miserable way to have to live and it is a shameful epoch of human history. I can't change it. But I won't pretend it isn't ugly. And I'm not talking about Apple specifically. I'm talking about cramming people into factories to perform mindless, repetitive tasks for meager wages so that other people can enjoy the fruits of their labors a little cheaper. It's nauseating. Our present economic system forces actual people to become the machines and computers that we don't have yet, but could have had already if there were the political will to do so.
You'd think China would try to be a better steward for their own people and their environment rather than leave it to an outsider like Apple.
Actually China does, when a violation is brought to their attention, they call up the US companies using the supplier who is violating the law and tell them they need to address the matter with their Chinese supplier. China is not dumb, they do it this way instead of the government coming down on violating company and forcing them to comply. They make the outside company do the dirty work since the Chinese company will argue that is will cost more to comply and they need to pass the cost along. Apple even said it cost them more to make sure these companies are doing the right things. It is a win for China since it does not require heavy handed involvement by the government and the company in violation gets to pass the cost along so they get to make more along with the workers. The only ones loosing are people outside the China since we all pay to make them richer.
The US should have been more worry about protecting worker wages then promoting outsourcing. Image is the US government call up every company in the world and said since you use and buy servers from US company they are abusing worker hours and our environment they need to fix the issue with the US company. The US government allows outside company to abuse our resources.
Apple needs to get to some form of factory automation as soon as possible. Any way you look at it, and I love Apple's products and values otherwise, this is slavery. It is a miserable way to have to live and it is a shameful epoch of human history. I can't change it. But I won't pretend it isn't ugly. And I'm not talking about Apple specifically. I'm talking about cramming people into factories to perform mindless, repetitive tasks for meager wages so that other people can enjoy the fruits of their labors a little cheaper. It's nauseating. Our present economic system forces actual people to become the machines and computers that we don't have yet, but could have had already if there were the political will to do so.
Do Chinese workers need food stamps just to survive, like minimum wage American workers?
Strange how people are blind to the mess in their own back yard.
Minimum wage workers are effectively subsidised by the taxpayer, no wonder corporations fight to keep minimum wages low, it transfers their costs to the Government.
The thing these corporations fail to take into account is that workers who are paid more, consume more making a larger pool to take profits from.
Do Chinese workers need food stamps just to survive, like minimum wage American workers?
Strange how people are blind to the mess in their own back yard.
Minimum wage workers are effectively subsidised by the taxpayer, no wonder corporations fight to keep minimum wages low, it transfers their costs to the Government.
The thing these corporations fail to take into account is that workers who are paid more, consume more making a larger pool to take profits from.
Things seem to be slowly changing.
If you have an interest in "higher wages" or the so-called "plight" of workers, you should instead argue for both the elimination of the minimum wage and publicly funded programs such as "food stamps" (I think they issue a prepaid card instead of stamps these days). That these subsidies exist are in fact why businesses are able to resist wage increases. Workers unable to live on the wages offered by businesses won't accept extremely low wages. They'll hold out for more or work elsewhere. A minimum wage harms both the employee and employer by arbitrarily establishing a floor, which should instead be a matter of negotiation between both parties.
If you have an interest in "higher wages" or the so-called "plight" of workers, you should instead argue for both the elimination of the minimum wage and publicly funded programs such as "food stamps" (I think they issue a prepaid card instead of stamps these days). That these subsidies exist are in fact why businesses are able to resist wage increases. Workers unable to live on the wages offered by businesses won't accept extremely low wages. They'll hold out for more or work elsewhere. A minimum wage harms both the employee and employer by arbitrarily establishing a floor, which should instead be a matter of negotiation between both parties.
There seems to be a double standard among Americans, they are all ready to jump on their high horse as far as Apple's Chinese workers are concerned, yet ignore the struggling worker who hands them their lunch.
...yet ignore the struggling worker who hands them their lunch.
That is complete nonsense. I always make sure they aren't too dirty looking before I take my lunch. If they are, I get the manager and have that person fired.
There seems to be a double standard among Americans, they are all ready to jump on their high horse as far as Apple's Chinese workers are concerned, yet ignore the struggling worker who hands them their lunch.
You are assuming minimum wage workers are "struggling" thanks to union propaganda. Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be careers, they are "starter jobs".
You are assuming minimum wage workers are "struggling" thanks to union propaganda. Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be careers, they are "starter jobs".
Sure, but there are plenty that have higher education and many years with non-starter jobs that are now working in these starter jobs. At least, that is what I hear, but I honestly don't know and recently read that society is more balanced today in the US than it was 100 years ago.
Personally, I don't pay anyone that works for me less than $20 per hour. That's my minimum wage. Of course, when I do hire someone to work for me I do expect excellence or I won't have them back. "Don't do your best, do my best." ~ Adam Carolla
Sure, but there are plenty that have higher education and many years with non-starter jobs that are now working in these starter jobs. At least, that is what I hear, but I honestly don't know and recently read that society is more balanced today in the US than it was 100 years ago.
Personally, I don't pay anyone that works for me less than $20 per hour. That's my minimum wage. Of course, when I do hire someone to work for me I do expect excellence or I won't have them back. "Don't do your best, do my best." ~ Adam Carolla
The few times I've hired professionals to take on work I couldn't finish in time, they were also paid a professional rate.
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By whom, the same people who claimed weapons of mass destruction were located "over there" in large numbers to start a war?......or maybe by the same "hired" doctors that still claim that smoking does not cause cancer? Believe what you want, I guess, but don't be afraid to use critical thinking for fear of having to change your mind. That's how we learn.
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Be rational instead, then.
Again, you don’t see communist countries going around the world and making things better. I notice you have no rebuttal to that.
Your continued skirting of this–and looking like veiled support–remains disconcerting.
Who said that? I want China to sit and spin. I wish we still didn’t recognize their government.
Except Apple and others show otherwise…
Taiwan, home, etc…
Who said that? I want China to sit and spin. I wish we still didn’t recognize their government.
As do most clear thinking Americans, but face it, there are few clear thinking Americans. Everyone is angry. You can see it how they drive, the way they talk and the programs on TV. They have no regard for anyone except themselves. The whole world is in a state of disfunction.
The Day will come. There will be a day of normalization whereafter these behaviors will no longer be considered acceptable, much less tolerable.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wHylQRVN2Qs
Ah! Reminds me of the Rifftrax to Indiana Jones 4. You know, when they’re clearcutting the Peruvian jungle. “I hope the Russians love the trees too~…”
Actually China does, when a violation is brought to their attention, they call up the US companies using the supplier who is violating the law and tell them they need to address the matter with their Chinese supplier. China is not dumb, they do it this way instead of the government coming down on violating company and forcing them to comply. They make the outside company do the dirty work since the Chinese company will argue that is will cost more to comply and they need to pass the cost along. Apple even said it cost them more to make sure these companies are doing the right things. It is a win for China since it does not require heavy handed involvement by the government and the company in violation gets to pass the cost along so they get to make more along with the workers. The only ones loosing are people outside the China since we all pay to make them richer.
The US should have been more worry about protecting worker wages then promoting outsourcing. Image is the US government call up every company in the world and said since you use and buy servers from US company they are abusing worker hours and our environment they need to fix the issue with the US company. The US government allows outside company to abuse our resources.
Apple needs to get to some form of factory automation as soon as possible. Any way you look at it, and I love Apple's products and values otherwise, this is slavery. It is a miserable way to have to live and it is a shameful epoch of human history. I can't change it. But I won't pretend it isn't ugly. And I'm not talking about Apple specifically. I'm talking about cramming people into factories to perform mindless, repetitive tasks for meager wages so that other people can enjoy the fruits of their labors a little cheaper. It's nauseating. Our present economic system forces actual people to become the machines and computers that we don't have yet, but could have had already if there were the political will to do so.
Do Chinese workers need food stamps just to survive, like minimum wage American workers?
Strange how people are blind to the mess in their own back yard.
Minimum wage workers are effectively subsidised by the taxpayer, no wonder corporations fight to keep minimum wages low, it transfers their costs to the Government.
The thing these corporations fail to take into account is that workers who are paid more, consume more making a larger pool to take profits from.
Things seem to be slowly changing.
I had no idea this was still happening in the world. How the hell did this get past the union reps?
Oh. Wait. What?
If you have an interest in "higher wages" or the so-called "plight" of workers, you should instead argue for both the elimination of the minimum wage and publicly funded programs such as "food stamps" (I think they issue a prepaid card instead of stamps these days). That these subsidies exist are in fact why businesses are able to resist wage increases. Workers unable to live on the wages offered by businesses won't accept extremely low wages. They'll hold out for more or work elsewhere. A minimum wage harms both the employee and employer by arbitrarily establishing a floor, which should instead be a matter of negotiation between both parties.
Anxiously awaiting the Samsung/Lenovo/HTC/Dell/HP/... supplier responsibility report.
If you have an interest in "higher wages" or the so-called "plight" of workers, you should instead argue for both the elimination of the minimum wage and publicly funded programs such as "food stamps" (I think they issue a prepaid card instead of stamps these days). That these subsidies exist are in fact why businesses are able to resist wage increases. Workers unable to live on the wages offered by businesses won't accept extremely low wages. They'll hold out for more or work elsewhere. A minimum wage harms both the employee and employer by arbitrarily establishing a floor, which should instead be a matter of negotiation between both parties.
There seems to be a double standard among Americans, they are all ready to jump on their high horse as far as Apple's Chinese workers are concerned, yet ignore the struggling worker who hands them their lunch.
That is complete nonsense. I always make sure they aren't too dirty looking before I take my lunch. If they are, I get the manager and have that person fired.
There seems to be a double standard among Americans, they are all ready to jump on their high horse as far as Apple's Chinese workers are concerned, yet ignore the struggling worker who hands them their lunch.
You are assuming minimum wage workers are "struggling" thanks to union propaganda. Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be careers, they are "starter jobs".
Sure, but there are plenty that have higher education and many years with non-starter jobs that are now working in these starter jobs. At least, that is what I hear, but I honestly don't know and recently read that society is more balanced today in the US than it was 100 years ago.
Personally, I don't pay anyone that works for me less than $20 per hour. That's my minimum wage. Of course, when I do hire someone to work for me I do expect excellence or I won't have them back. "Don't do your best, do my best." ~ Adam Carolla
Sure, but there are plenty that have higher education and many years with non-starter jobs that are now working in these starter jobs. At least, that is what I hear, but I honestly don't know and recently read that society is more balanced today in the US than it was 100 years ago.
Personally, I don't pay anyone that works for me less than $20 per hour. That's my minimum wage. Of course, when I do hire someone to work for me I do expect excellence or I won't have them back. "Don't do your best, do my best." ~ Adam Carolla
The few times I've hired professionals to take on work I couldn't finish in time, they were also paid a professional rate.
Was that a momentary lapse of reason?