I have to agree with what a lot of folks are saying on this, after buying Microsoft Office first as Word and then as the full out office product, I am not interested in getting any application through a subscription. I don't do that with Adobe anymore and won't do that with Mircosoft. As much as I would love to use the software, folks that can charge you whatever down the road is not the type of people I want to be a part of.
I think that microsoft should offer two methods, first the subscription and then a pay app, like I did with my office a half a decade ago. Hard to beleive it's taken Microsoft this long to update a program.
So Bill Gates and the rest of microsoft you better be listening, a lot of us want to buy our copy of Office 2016 for the Mac, not rent it.
I charge 5-8 grand to design presentations in keynote. Same presentation in PP will run you 35-40... And it won't do half of what keynote can or look nearly as good. In other words, I refuse to service Office users. In fact, I would rather fold my business and mow lawns - then have to design in Office.
The last time I had to use office resulted in smashed computer parts all over the floor (wintel box) and a keyboard embedded in the wall - and me drunk under my desk sobbing like a little girl.
My enthusiasm for this product can be imagined by the excitement Stephen Wright has clipping his toenails.
I'm worry, what the ****? Can you please enlighten me as to the details? What kind of presentations, and for what clients? Do you have an example? That sounds absolutely insane.
I see they're really committed to that atrocity that is the ribbon. The ribbon was a replacement for poorly thought out menus, not menus in general. If that ribbon is required, I won't be using it.
If pumping $150 million into a then-dying Apple is the best thing Microsoft's board of directors has ever done for Mac users
Unbelievable that this stupid trope is still written on the pages of AppleInsider. If anybody still doubted that Sam Oliver might've been a DED alias, there's your proof that they are clearly two distinct people with very different grasps of history :
the best thing Microsoft's board of directors has ever done for Mac users, appointing Satya Nadella as the third chief executive in company history may come second comes in first by far.
Fixed that for ya !
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
The first sign of detente came last March, with the release of Office for iPad. That launch was unquestionably a Big Deal […]
The thaw continues today as Microsoft rolls out the very first public preview of Office 2016 for Mac
It was indeed unquestionably a Big Deal for iPad users in business that were looking for alternatives, but also a Big Deal for Microsoft to not lose more ground in mobile, perhaps a bigger deal for them. The halo effect of iPads massive share in business is reflected in greater adoption of Macs in business as well. These are clever moves by Nadella who has reset the priorities of Microsoft to where they should be for their future in enterprise as opposed to the blind partisanship of Balmer and Gates. Make no mistake, these last 2 moves are just as self-serving to Microsoft as the 150 million deal was back then. Kudos to Nadella, the only CEO they've ever had that has some semblance of a visionary.
Sorry for the edit, I hit Ctrl-Return by mistake, who knew this was equivalent to Submit.
Unbelievable that this stupid trope is still written on the pages of AppleInsider. If anybody still doubted that Sam Oliver might've been a DED alias, there's your proof that they are clearly two distinct people with very different grasps of history :
No matter the reason for the investment, Apple was dying at the time, and it was probably the nicest thing MS ever did for them considering all the anticompetitive stuff that went on in the 90's. It didn't say MS "propped up" Apple or MS "saved" Apple, so what are you so worked up about?
No matter the reason for the investment, Apple was dying at the time, and it was probably the nicest thing MS ever did for them considering all the anticompetitive stuff that went on in the 90's. It didn't say MS "propped up" Apple or MS "saved" Apple …
I totally agree, no argument there.
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Originally Posted by BobJohnson
… so what are you so worked up about?
Your quote of my comment skips the answer to that1, where I submitted :
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
the best thing Microsoft's board of directors has ever done for Mac users, appointing Satya Nadella as the third chief executive in company history may come second comes in first by far.
Fixed that for ya !
Even though it was probably the nicest thing MS ever did for them at that point, it was very self-serving as well. I was just worked up about the rating of the event. I believe appointing Nadella is the best thing they've ever done for Mac users, as well as Microsoft.
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1 As I mentioned in my Edit, I mistakenly hit Ctrl-Enter to goto the next line but it prematurely submitted my comment. I'm not sure if that part was posted at the time you saw it while I was finishing the edit, sorry for the confusion.
One thing for sure - I am NOT buying a subscription to get the new version. I have the standalone version of Office 2011 and paid for that just once.
No way will I get on the yearly-fee treadmill.
Microsoft says they'll also offer perpetual license options (aka software purchase), but pricing and availability won't be confirmed until closer to retail launch.
Thanks for that info. I looked but didn't see that (guess I hadn't dug deep enough).
One thing for sure - I am NOT buying a subscription to get the new version. I have the standalone version of Office 2011 and paid for that just once.
No way will I get on the yearly-fee treadmill.
Um... why not? You get free OneDrive with theoretically unlimited storage, and upgrades are part of the deal... I've been using the latest and greatest version of Outlook for a while now specifically because I'm on the "fee treadmill."
Looks like the new Office applications are still 32bit. Its 2016 and Microsoft can't write 64bit Mac apps? The suite only supports 10.10 so all supported Macs are 64bit.
Microsoft says they'll also offer perpetual license options (aka software purchase), but pricing and availability won't be confirmed until closer to retail launch.
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I don't do that with Adobe anymore and won't do that with Mircosoft.
As much as I would love to use the software, folks that can charge you whatever down the road is not the type of people I want to be a part of.
I think that microsoft should offer two methods, first the subscription and then a pay app, like I did with my office a half a decade ago. Hard to beleive it's taken Microsoft this long to update a program.
So Bill Gates and the rest of microsoft you better be listening, a lot of us want to buy our copy of Office 2016 for the Mac, not rent it.
I charge 5-8 grand to design presentations in keynote. Same presentation in PP will run you 35-40... And it won't do half of what keynote can or look nearly as good. In other words, I refuse to service Office users. In fact, I would rather fold my business and mow lawns - then have to design in Office.
The last time I had to use office resulted in smashed computer parts all over the floor (wintel box) and a keyboard embedded in the wall - and me drunk under my desk sobbing like a little girl.
My enthusiasm for this product can be imagined by the excitement Stephen Wright has clipping his toenails.
I'm worry, what the ****? Can you please enlighten me as to the details? What kind of presentations, and for what clients? Do you have an example? That sounds absolutely insane.
That sounds absolutely insane.
If nothing else, it sounds like a great way to get people to use Macs.
Fixed that for ya !
Quote:If pumping $150 million into a then-dying Apple is the best thing Microsoft's board of directors has ever done for Mac users
Unbelievable that this stupid trope is still written on the pages of AppleInsider. If anybody still doubted that Sam Oliver might've been a DED alias, there's your proof that they are clearly two distinct people with very different grasps of history :
the best thing Microsoft's board of directors has ever done for Mac users, appointing Satya Nadella as the third chief executive in company history may come second comes in first by far.
Fixed that for ya !
The first sign of detente came last March, with the release of Office for iPad. That launch was unquestionably a Big Deal […]
The thaw continues today as Microsoft rolls out the very first public preview of Office 2016 for Mac
It was indeed unquestionably a Big Deal for iPad users in business that were looking for alternatives, but also a Big Deal for Microsoft to not lose more ground in mobile, perhaps a bigger deal for them. The halo effect of iPads massive share in business is reflected in greater adoption of Macs in business as well. These are clever moves by Nadella who has reset the priorities of Microsoft to where they should be for their future in enterprise as opposed to the blind partisanship of Balmer and Gates. Make no mistake, these last 2 moves are just as self-serving to Microsoft as the 150 million deal was back then. Kudos to Nadella, the only CEO they've ever had that has some semblance of a visionary.
Sorry for the edit, I hit Ctrl-Return by mistake, who knew this was equivalent to Submit.
"surface" = pointless hipster-speak verb replacement for "display"
Unbelievable that this stupid trope is still written on the pages of AppleInsider. If anybody still doubted that Sam Oliver might've been a DED alias, there's your proof that they are clearly two distinct people with very different grasps of history :
Fixed that for ya !
No matter the reason for the investment, Apple was dying at the time, and it was probably the nicest thing MS ever did for them considering all the anticompetitive stuff that went on in the 90's. It didn't say MS "propped up" Apple or MS "saved" Apple, so what are you so worked up about?
And they're still using a floppy disc icon as the save button, which is, er, retro.
Enlighten us all with your progressive thinking.
Suggest an icon.
Which could be easily understood by millions as a 'save the document' icon.
Then you can start trying to look 'smart' and say 'which is, er, retro'.
No matter the reason for the investment, Apple was dying at the time, and it was probably the nicest thing MS ever did for them considering all the anticompetitive stuff that went on in the 90's. It didn't say MS "propped up" Apple or MS "saved" Apple …
I totally agree, no argument there.
… so what are you so worked up about?
Your quote of my comment skips the answer to that1, where I submitted :
the best thing Microsoft's board of directors has ever done for Mac users, appointing Satya Nadella as the third chief executive in company history may come second comes in first by far.
Fixed that for ya !
Even though it was probably the nicest thing MS ever did for them at that point, it was very self-serving as well. I was just worked up about the rating of the event. I believe appointing Nadella is the best thing they've ever done for Mac users, as well as Microsoft.
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1 As I mentioned in my Edit, I mistakenly hit Ctrl-Enter to goto the next line but it prematurely submitted my comment. I'm not sure if that part was posted at the time you saw it while I was finishing the edit, sorry for the confusion.
One thing for sure - I am NOT buying a subscription to get the new version. I have the standalone version of Office 2011 and paid for that just once.
No way will I get on the yearly-fee treadmill.
Microsoft says they'll also offer perpetual license options (aka software purchase), but pricing and availability won't be confirmed until closer to retail launch.
Thanks for that info. I looked but didn't see that (guess I hadn't dug deep enough).
Because it has a grim Outlook.
Your comment is so irrelevant.
One thing for sure - I am NOT buying a subscription to get the new version. I have the standalone version of Office 2011 and paid for that just once.
No way will I get on the yearly-fee treadmill.
Um... why not? You get free OneDrive with theoretically unlimited storage, and upgrades are part of the deal... I've been using the latest and greatest version of Outlook for a while now specifically because I'm on the "fee treadmill."
It feels like a win for me.
I charge 5-8 grand to design presentations in keynote. Same presentation in PP will run you 35-40...
Those musy be some fancy presentations. What's your value add? (or do you just have a strict "money to burn only" clientele policy.)
They are pretty fancy presentations indeed.
What we are doing can simply not be done using PP.
Looks like the new Office applications are still 32bit. Its 2016 and Microsoft can't write 64bit Mac apps? The suite only supports 10.10 so all supported Macs are 64bit.
That's something Adobe should do.
Because it has a grim Outlook.
What will be the Lync to the next Office pun?