Oracle bundles Ask.com adware with latest Java for Mac installer

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  • Reply 41 of 63
    I—naively—thought Oracle to be above such poor marketing choices. I just can't see the money return being significant to its bottom line.

    Like it is, too bad I need Java for some things at work, because, the way they screwed things up now, the best solution would be to remove Java altogether!
  • Reply 42 of 63
    d4njvrzfd4njvrzf Posts: 797member
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    Stop using Java on the desktop.


     

    Stop using Java.


    Like it or not, it's pretty much the de facto standard for server-side programming.

  • Reply 43 of 63
    prwprw Posts: 31member
    What I would like to see is unintstall instructions for Java.
    Time for it to go.
  • Reply 44 of 63
    pigybankpigybank Posts: 178member
    In the trash bin goes Java.
  • Reply 45 of 63
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,099member

    F**k you Oracle and the crappy software you make.  I was java-free on my Macbook and iMac for ages.  Then, a few weeks ago I took on an Oracle project to configure an Oracle Weblogic system that serves a client app.



    Viewing the pages on client machines required Java be installed, with no way around it.  The web page renders fine in Windows, but not on Safari, making it useless on the mac.  I refuse to install Chrome which I know would work.



    What made it better is that the moment Java was installed, both my macbook and iMac had the fans spinning up full-speed with no other processes running.  My macbook got so hot I had to power it down for a while before I realized it was the Java client running at max CPU.  I uninstalled it at the end of the day, and informed the users it was a windows-only application.



    Of course, I saw the stunt the Ask.com stunt that Oracle tried to pull.  Shame on Oracle.  



    I never liked Oracle.  Working on their systems, I wonder how it got to be as big as they are.  It is a mess, it is way more complicated than it needs to be, and in my humble opinion, the only reason it is that way is to provide job-security to their legion of consultants and programmers to maintain it.  I suppose that would mean they are a perfect mate for Java as well.

  • Reply 46 of 63
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    Only for client side. As a server-side language it is much better than the only other big alternative - .Net.

     

    As a Java developer (hoping that Apple releases Swift to open source - better language), I have to load Java on my boxes. I never enable Java for any browsers. If you aren't a software developer, then we are in agreement that Java should never touch your box.

     

    What's wrong with any of the alternative JVM languages such as Ceylon, Kotlin, Scala, Groovy, etc?
  • Reply 47 of 63
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Stop using Java.




    Rather difficult when your government requires you to submit tax returns electronically and their system for doing that requires Java as an absolute.




    Stop submitting tax returns.

     

     

     

    Have your tax preparer do it, save yourself some grief. 
  • Reply 48 of 63
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf View Post

     
    Like it or not, it's pretty much the de facto standard for server-side programming.


    Not really. I think PHP is by far the most popular web server platform. At least that is what I use. There is nothing that I've needed to do that can't be accomplished with PHP.

     

    I did switch to MariaDB instead of MySQL now that Oracle owns it.

  • Reply 49 of 63
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,742member
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    All the more reason to keep Java off your Macs. 

     

    IIRC, Apple took a metric crap ton of flak from the developer community when they first decoupled the Java JRE from OS X, deferring back to Oracle for updates.  This only confirms that was the right decision.




    Except that if Apple were still the one's providing them, there wouldn't be any of this crap.


     

    Au contrair, mon ami.  Client-side Java installed and updated (or not!) on every Mac created an unacceptable security risk that was unnecessary in most cases.  Good on Apple for seeing that.  If you want Java, it has to be downloaded and installed manually, and any damage at that point is purely self inflicted.

  • Reply 50 of 63
    javacowboy wrote: »
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/185079/oracle-bundles-ask-com-adware-with-latest-java-for-mac-installer#post_2686552" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span>Quote:</span><div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Cyberzombie</strong> <a href="/t/185079/oracle-bundles-ask-com-adware-with-latest-java-for-mac-installer#post_2686552"><img src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" class="inlineimg" alt="View Post"/></a><br/><br/><p> </p><p>Only for client side. As a server-side language it is much better than the only other big alternative - .Net.</p><p> </p><p>As a Java developer (hoping that Apple releases Swift to open source - better language), I have to load Java on my boxes. I never enable Java for any browsers. If you aren't a software developer, then we are in agreement that Java should never touch your box.</p></div></div><p> </p>

    What's wrong with any of the alternative JVM languages such as Ceylon, Kotlin, Scala, Groovy, etc?

    Enterprises can be quite gun shy about these things. Much easier to find a "Java" developer than a Groovy developer...the powers that be have forgotten that the good developers can come up to speed quickly in any language (a good programmer can write COBOL in any language).

    OT: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/ThePerilsofJavaSchools.html
  • Reply 51 of 63
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
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    Stop submitting tax returns.

     

     

     

    Have your tax preparer do it, save yourself some grief. 




    Is paying someone else to do it tax deductible in the US then?

  • Reply 52 of 63
    javacowboyjavacowboy Posts: 864member
    Enterprises can be quite gun shy about these things. Much easier to find a "Java" developer than a Groovy developer...the powers that be have forgotten that the good developers can come up to speed quickly in any language (a good programmer can write COBOL in any language).

    OT: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/ThePerilsofJavaSchools.html
    Enterprises can be quite gun shy about these things. Much easier to find a "Java" developer than a Groovy developer...the powers that be have forgotten that the good developers can come up to speed quickly in any language (a good programmer can write COBOL in any language).

    OT: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/ThePerilsofJavaSchools.html

    So why is Swift any different from these other languages, at least one of which I'd argue Swift is inferior to?
  • Reply 53 of 63
    solipsismysolipsismy Posts: 5,099member
    javacowboy wrote: »

    So why is Swift any different from these other languages, at least one of which I'd argue Swift is inferior to?

    1) Which language is that?

    2) Which of these languages would allow code to be executed and run faster than with Swift if iOS apps were built with it?
  • Reply 54 of 63
    elrothelroth Posts: 1,201member
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post



    Stop using Java on the desktop.



    I can't. I've got a couple of applications that need desktop Java, including ClickRepair, the best app ever for removing pops and clicks from digitized LPs.

  • Reply 55 of 63
    elrothelroth Posts: 1,201member

    Thanks, Oracle, for showing what idiots you are. We already knew, from your botching of Oregon's health exchange computer system, but now you've shown us you're not only incompetent, you're bastards also.

  • Reply 56 of 63
    d4njvrzfd4njvrzf Posts: 797member
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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post

     

    Not really. I think PHP is by far the most popular web server platform. At least that is what I use. There is nothing that I've needed to do that can't be accomplished with PHP.

     


    I guess it depends on how important performance is, among other factors. It seems that most large-scale web applications (say, bank websites or other major web services like Bing or Gmail or iTunes) use either ASP.NET or Java on the server side; Facebook is the only notable exception I'm aware of.

  • Reply 57 of 63
    javacowboyjavacowboy Posts: 864member
    solipsismy wrote: »
    1) Which language is that?

    2) Which of these languages would allow code to be executed and run faster than with Swift if iOS apps were built with it?

    The JVM performs very well nowadays, contrary to some of the myths out there about Java being "slow". There are also continual improvements to garbage collection (ex Red Hat has introduced a new garbage collector for OpenJDK). There are certain limitations still to the JVM, but they'll largely be resolved when modules and value types are introduced in Java 9 and 10, respectively.

    However, whether a language is well designed and how well it's runtime performs are largely orthogonal. For instance, there's a project to port to Swift language to the JVM (and at first I thought that's what you were advocating). If you're asking for the Swift runtime to be open sourced as well, then that's a whole other ball of wax, since this involves native code, pointer based memory management, etc.
  • Reply 58 of 63
    krreagankrreagan Posts: 218member

    Well, I just added ask.com to my block list!

  • Reply 59 of 63
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf View Post

     
    I guess it depends on how important performance is, among other factors. It seems that most large-scale web applications (say, bank websites or other major web services like Bing or Gmail or iTunes) use either ASP.NET or Java on the server side; Facebook is the only notable exception I'm aware of.


    Just because some big sites use java doesn't prove that php is inferior. I think all the platforms are about the same in performance.

     

    A lot of professional programmers were trained in java with a degree in computer science so that might influence their decision as managers and directors at large corporations but php is a really solid language as well and I never read anyone commenting that there was a performance issue with it. Besides, with large scale deployments it is all about load balancing anyway. Google writes most of their stuff in python which has always come in behind other languages in performance. Adobe uses coldfusion although they may be using the jsp version - hard to tell. IBM is using a lot of php with Zend. I think iTunes uses Webobjects.

     

    Most performance issues boils down to the speed of the database.

     

    I like php a lot. I have experience in .Net with C# as well, but php is definitely a better platform in my opinion.

  • Reply 60 of 63
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Is paying someone else to do it tax deductible in the US then?


    No, but a good tax preparer will get you back much more than the cost of their service, plus you can be doing what you do to make money instead of toiling over tax returns.

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