Enclose important app and document in a separated container
App install in binary code, not bytecode for VM
(Recommend) full disk encryption
Human app review
What next? Finally giving users a decent system upgrade policy?
Wake me up when Google finish copying Apple in 2009
The idea of human-reviewed app stores. Amazon has used subjective reviews for their app store for a while. And even before the App Store, linux distros had always maintained all their software in secure, curated repositories. In fact the review process has the potential to be even more thorough on Linux because the actual source code is submitted for inspection.
Oh I would agree that Google may well make it progressively harder to use unofficial app stores.
But still the fact remains Google officially prevents it as well. It takes some significant user input to side-load an app, something NOT from Google Play.
The person first has to dismiss a security warning or two and then find the setting that turns off the default Android security setting to then allow 3rd party apps to be installed. You didn't know that?
Of course some folks are just thick and don't really get it, dismissing that warning too. So he/she may soon see this Android notification for the truly malicious stuff.
Things aren't as "Wild West" on Android devices as it's often portrayed to be.
Um, I used a Nexus 4 for a full year, then a Nexus 5. So yes, of course I knew that. But all you're doing is supporting my exact point. I didn't say Android is like the wild west NOW. I said it used to be, and Google advertised that fact, so that they can get marketshare and have an easier time with the OEMs. Security or privacy was never a priority, only marketshare. Only recently, as Android has matured, have they implemented more measures, ALL of which bring the OS closer to the iOS philosophy- the same philosophy they mocked and bashed, while they promoted their "Android is a hacker's/customizer's glorious wet dream" philosophy. Now, they've gone in the opposite direction in both the hardware that they promote (ie. non-expandibility) to the OS.
Um, I used a Nexus 4 for a full year, then a Nexus 5. So yes, of course I knew that. But all you're doing is supporting my exact point. I didn't say Android is like the wild west NOW. I said it used to be, and Google advertised that fact, so that they can get marketshare and have an easier time with the OEMs... ALL of which bring the OS closer to the iOS philosophy- the same philosophy they mocked and bashed.
Quite honestly I don't remember Google mocking and bashing iOS, much less for app curation. I consider it in the same vein as an old wive's tale. I can only recall a single instance where Google themselves referenced Apple in a relatively minor way tho perhaps you know of other cases. Now some bloggers/users have certainly done so in their personal comments or on their private sites. In retrospect it does look pretty silly doesn't it?
But but but....the resident Google shills keep telling me that Google has Verify Apps to spot malware and misbehaving Apps.
And Android users keep telling me there is no malware problem with Android.
Why does Google keep fixing non-existent problems?
Because nothing is fail safe. Things pass undetected with even stringent curation. Nefarious apps have gotten into the app store, and they most certainly have gotten into the Google Play store. I for one always thought that a unchecked app market was a bad idea.
I'd like to see Apple give a little more leeway to the better, well known Publishers, especially on software updates. Let the software threw quickly but still check it out and PULL it if there's some issue later, and have repercussions for for sending in that BAD software that Apple let threw quickly. Depending on the issue can be from back to the wait game, to Banned from releasing software in the App store. That would be something really bad like some type of Virus, Spyware , Malware garbage. There's company's that make well known games and Apps and other things on iOS and many updates, and zero issues's They should be rushed right threw and checked later by Apple, That's all. I think it would still be safe. Maybe even a quick file scanner like Google has only been doing. Everything in the end is still getting checked by real people.
Quite honestly I don't remember Google mocking and bashing iOS, much less for app curation. I consider it in the same vein as an old wive's tale. I can only recall a single instance where Google themselves referenced Apple in a relatively minor way tho perhaps you know of other cases. Now some bloggers/users have certainly done so in their personal comments or on their private sites. In retrospect it does look pretty silly doesn't it?
I've read hundreds upon hundreds of users/bloggers/etc bashing vehemently Apple for curation; not that this is exceptional, they bash anything that Apple does that's seen as "walled Garden".. Like someone stole candy from them or something. I do feel that this is related to the fact they'Re afraid that this will spread to Google.
I'd like to see Apple give a little more leeway to the better, well known Publishers, especially on software updates. Let the software threw quickly but still check it out and PULL it if there's some issue later, and have repercussions for for sending in that BAD software that Apple let threw quickly. Depending on the issue can be from back to the wait game, to Banned from releasing software in the App store. That would be something really bad like some type of Virus, Spyware , Malware garbage. There's company's that make well known games and Apps and other things on iOS and many updates, and zero issues's They should be rushed right threw and checked later by Apple, That's all. I think it would still be safe. Maybe even a quick file scanner like Google has only been doing. Everything in the end is still getting checked by real people.
Who's to say that's not already the case. If Adobe puts up an update, they're probably not putting it under a microscope like if it came from Joe Schmoe who has never produced anything. Especially if its an app which asks for a lot of permissions from users.
Um, I used a Nexus 4 for a full year, then a Nexus 5. So yes, of course I knew that. But all you're doing is supporting my exact point. I didn't say Android is like the wild west NOW. I said it used to be, and Google advertised that fact, so that they can get marketshare and have an easier time with the OEMs. Security or privacy was never a priority, only marketshare. Only recently, as Android has matured, have they implemented more measures, ALL of which bring the OS closer to the iOS philosophy- the same philosophy they mocked and bashed, while they promoted their "Android is a hacker's/customizer's glorious wet dream" philosophy. Now, they've gone in the opposite direction in both the hardware that they promote (ie. non-expandibility) to the OS.
The funny thing is that the OEM are not waking up to this horror, which makes them basically total slaves producing profits for Google when they've got none. Maybe going out of business will be the solution for them...
Oh, right, the 0.1% of people who jailbreak vs 100% of google users... TOTALLY the same thing. You want me to take you seriously after that?
What a ridiculous idea that 100% of the Android users root their device. With 80% marketshare for Android, one must assume that most of them are just plain users, who don't know how to root their device. If 5% know how to root thier device and 0.5% is actually rooting it, this would actually surprise me.
Because it is easier to customize Android than to customize iOS, there is also less need to root an Android device
I've read hundreds upon hundreds of users/bloggers/etc bashing vehemently Apple for curation; not that this is exceptional, they bash anything that Apple does that's seen as "walled Garden".. Like someone stole candy from them or something. I do feel that this is related to the fact they'Re afraid that this will spread to Google.
You could take your posts premise and substitute any number of company names and issues instead of Apple and it still works.
No matter your brand of smart-device, camera, vehicle, or whatever there are those that will blindly bash anything about the one they didn't choose no matter what it is. Surely you've noted the same venomous posts just here alone of anything having to do with any other vendor or tech company that's perceived, right or wrong, as not being Apple's friend at the moment. Very little thought goes into some of those posts either. Often it's emotions taking over rather than logic.
I really hope that Google doesn't turn into Apple with their app reviews. As a developer, the review process is the single biggest complaint I have with developing iOS apps. Having to wait over a week to get an update out and even longer for new apps is extremely frustrating. You cannot plan any sort of concrete release schedule with Apple reviewing your apps. You could get rejected because the reviewer is having a bad day or because of some minor minutiae. Developing for Android can be a hassle because of the device and OS fragmentation, but their app store submission process is so much better than Apple. It is extremely nice to be able to get an app update out the same day you submit it. It sounds like Google is striking a nice balance between human reviews and automated software review all while keeping the review times short. I wish Apple would do the same.
As an iPhone user, not a developer, I'm happy that Apple is thorough in reviewing apps. I don't want them lowering their standards. I value quality much more than quick release schedules.
I really hope that Google doesn't turn into Apple with their app reviews. As a developer, the review process is the single biggest complaint I have with developing iOS apps. Having to wait over a week to get an update out and even longer for new apps is extremely frustrating. You cannot plan any sort of concrete release schedule with Apple reviewing your apps. You could get rejected because the reviewer is having a bad day or because of some minor minutiae. Developing for Android can be a hassle because of the device and OS fragmentation, but their app store submission process is so much better than Apple. It is extremely nice to be able to get an app update out the same day you submit it. It sounds like Google is striking a nice balance between human reviews and automated software review all while keeping the review times short. I wish Apple would do the same.
My only complaint is the lack of transparency. Times don't really bother me. You can regain control of the precise date of release by using manual release and pushing forward to the next point. For instance, if you (like me) want your releases to go out on Saturday, build in a one-week extra delay so if Apple releases on Monday just wait. That might sound annoying, and it is, but it's not killer by any means. And if that's the price of keeping malware out of the store, I have to say, I'm all for it.
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Let see what happen to Android this few weeks:
Enclose important app and document in a separated container
App install in binary code, not bytecode for VM
(Recommend) full disk encryption
Human app review
What next? Finally giving users a decent system upgrade policy?
Wake me up when Google finish copying Apple in 2009
The idea of human-reviewed app stores. Amazon has used subjective reviews for their app store for a while. And even before the App Store, linux distros had always maintained all their software in secure, curated repositories. In fact the review process has the potential to be even more thorough on Linux because the actual source code is submitted for inspection.
Oh I would agree that Google may well make it progressively harder to use unofficial app stores.
But still the fact remains Google officially prevents it as well. It takes some significant user input to side-load an app, something NOT from Google Play.
The person first has to dismiss a security warning or two and then find the setting that turns off the default Android security setting to then allow 3rd party apps to be installed. You didn't know that?
Of course some folks are just thick and don't really get it, dismissing that warning too. So he/she may soon see this Android notification for the truly malicious stuff.
Things aren't as "Wild West" on Android devices as it's often portrayed to be.
Um, I used a Nexus 4 for a full year, then a Nexus 5. So yes, of course I knew that. But all you're doing is supporting my exact point. I didn't say Android is like the wild west NOW. I said it used to be, and Google advertised that fact, so that they can get marketshare and have an easier time with the OEMs. Security or privacy was never a priority, only marketshare. Only recently, as Android has matured, have they implemented more measures, ALL of which bring the OS closer to the iOS philosophy- the same philosophy they mocked and bashed, while they promoted their "Android is a hacker's/customizer's glorious wet dream" philosophy. Now, they've gone in the opposite direction in both the hardware that they promote (ie. non-expandibility) to the OS.
Because nothing is fail safe. Things pass undetected with even stringent curation. Nefarious apps have gotten into the app store, and they most certainly have gotten into the Google Play store. I for one always thought that a unchecked app market was a bad idea.
I'd like to see Apple give a little more leeway to the better, well known Publishers, especially on software updates. Let the software threw quickly but still check it out and PULL it if there's some issue later, and have repercussions for for sending in that BAD software that Apple let threw quickly. Depending on the issue can be from back to the wait game, to Banned from releasing software in the App store. That would be something really bad like some type of Virus, Spyware , Malware garbage. There's company's that make well known games and Apps and other things on iOS and many updates, and zero issues's They should be rushed right threw and checked later by Apple, That's all. I think it would still be safe. Maybe even a quick file scanner like Google has only been doing. Everything in the end is still getting checked by real people.
So I'm wandering a couple of sites to see what's new and I come across this headline:
"Google Play no longer is the Wild West"
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-play-no-longer-wild-west-and-thats-good-developers-and-users
If Apple can't prevent it how could Google?
Oh, right, the 0.1% of people who jailbreak vs 100% of google users... TOTALLY the same thing. You want me to take you seriously after that?
Quite honestly I don't remember Google mocking and bashing iOS, much less for app curation. I consider it in the same vein as an old wive's tale. I can only recall a single instance where Google themselves referenced Apple in a relatively minor way tho perhaps you know of other cases. Now some bloggers/users have certainly done so in their personal comments or on their private sites. In retrospect it does look pretty silly doesn't it?
I've read hundreds upon hundreds of users/bloggers/etc bashing vehemently Apple for curation; not that this is exceptional, they bash anything that Apple does that's seen as "walled Garden".. Like someone stole candy from them or something. I do feel that this is related to the fact they'Re afraid that this will spread to Google.
I'd like to see Apple give a little more leeway to the better, well known Publishers, especially on software updates. Let the software threw quickly but still check it out and PULL it if there's some issue later, and have repercussions for for sending in that BAD software that Apple let threw quickly. Depending on the issue can be from back to the wait game, to Banned from releasing software in the App store. That would be something really bad like some type of Virus, Spyware , Malware garbage. There's company's that make well known games and Apps and other things on iOS and many updates, and zero issues's They should be rushed right threw and checked later by Apple, That's all. I think it would still be safe. Maybe even a quick file scanner like Google has only been doing. Everything in the end is still getting checked by real people.
Who's to say that's not already the case. If Adobe puts up an update, they're probably not putting it under a microscope like if it came from Joe Schmoe who has never produced anything. Especially if its an app which asks for a lot of permissions from users.
Um, I used a Nexus 4 for a full year, then a Nexus 5. So yes, of course I knew that. But all you're doing is supporting my exact point. I didn't say Android is like the wild west NOW. I said it used to be, and Google advertised that fact, so that they can get marketshare and have an easier time with the OEMs. Security or privacy was never a priority, only marketshare. Only recently, as Android has matured, have they implemented more measures, ALL of which bring the OS closer to the iOS philosophy- the same philosophy they mocked and bashed, while they promoted their "Android is a hacker's/customizer's glorious wet dream" philosophy. Now, they've gone in the opposite direction in both the hardware that they promote (ie. non-expandibility) to the OS.
The funny thing is that the OEM are not waking up to this horror, which makes them basically total slaves producing profits for Google when they've got none. Maybe going out of business will be the solution for them...
Oh, right, the 0.1% of people who jailbreak vs 100% of google users... TOTALLY the same thing. You want me to take you seriously after that?
What a ridiculous idea that 100% of the Android users root their device. With 80% marketshare for Android, one must assume that most of them are just plain users, who don't know how to root their device. If 5% know how to root thier device and 0.5% is actually rooting it, this would actually surprise me.
Because it is easier to customize Android than to customize iOS, there is also less need to root an Android device
Hard time for Android-devs, uh?)
No matter your brand of smart-device, camera, vehicle, or whatever there are those that will blindly bash anything about the one they didn't choose no matter what it is. Surely you've noted the same venomous posts just here alone of anything having to do with any other vendor or tech company that's perceived, right or wrong, as not being Apple's friend at the moment. Very little thought goes into some of those posts either. Often it's emotions taking over rather than logic.
I really hope that Google doesn't turn into Apple with their app reviews. As a developer, the review process is the single biggest complaint I have with developing iOS apps. Having to wait over a week to get an update out and even longer for new apps is extremely frustrating. You cannot plan any sort of concrete release schedule with Apple reviewing your apps. You could get rejected because the reviewer is having a bad day or because of some minor minutiae. Developing for Android can be a hassle because of the device and OS fragmentation, but their app store submission process is so much better than Apple. It is extremely nice to be able to get an app update out the same day you submit it. It sounds like Google is striking a nice balance between human reviews and automated software review all while keeping the review times short. I wish Apple would do the same.
As an iPhone user, not a developer, I'm happy that Apple is thorough in reviewing apps. I don't want them lowering their standards. I value quality much more than quick release schedules.
I really hope that Google doesn't turn into Apple with their app reviews. As a developer, the review process is the single biggest complaint I have with developing iOS apps. Having to wait over a week to get an update out and even longer for new apps is extremely frustrating. You cannot plan any sort of concrete release schedule with Apple reviewing your apps. You could get rejected because the reviewer is having a bad day or because of some minor minutiae. Developing for Android can be a hassle because of the device and OS fragmentation, but their app store submission process is so much better than Apple. It is extremely nice to be able to get an app update out the same day you submit it. It sounds like Google is striking a nice balance between human reviews and automated software review all while keeping the review times short. I wish Apple would do the same.
My only complaint is the lack of transparency. Times don't really bother me. You can regain control of the precise date of release by using manual release and pushing forward to the next point. For instance, if you (like me) want your releases to go out on Saturday, build in a one-week extra delay so if Apple releases on Monday just wait. That might sound annoying, and it is, but it's not killer by any means. And if that's the price of keeping malware out of the store, I have to say, I'm all for it.