Cook says discriminatory 'religious freedom' laws are dangerous, calls for action

11920212325

Comments

  • Reply 441 of 492
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post





    I love how you're against the death penalty but have no issues with abortion.

    That's what progressives resort to: name calling and labeling.



    The state doesn't decide whether a woman has an abortion or not. They do decide on the death penalty.

     


    That's what progressives resort to: name calling and labeling.

     

    Let me see, anyone that did not agree with the war in Iraq was un-American. People from Hollywood or any other place that does not buy into conservative train of thought are not real Americans. A woman can stop a pregnancy from rape by just thinking she can, which releases some sort of hormone in her body to stop that pregnancy. All union members & supporters are of course stupid, lazy takers that are beholden to their Union Bosses. Their should be some sort of intelligence test for people to have the right to vote. All of these things were not some nonsense written in political forums, they were words used by your party representatives & leaders. Shall we go on? Hell thought leaders in your party even do it to your own party. Karl Rove is an expert at that (look up what he did to McCain when he was running against Bush). There is no monopoly on name calling.

  • Reply 442 of 492
    singularitysingularity Posts: 1,328member
    ned bulous wrote: »
    Sounds like you were born 75 years too late for your ideology.

    IQ tests are written by people and have inherent biases. This is why "whites" score 100 on IQ tests, they are western- centric IQ tests. You are also ignoring the fact that Jews scored very low on German designed IQ tests during WW2.

    Googling for African American geniuses will get you plenty of hits, including Ben Carson, the GOP presidential candidate who was failing in elementary school but went on to make history separating Siamese twins. You may recall that Einstein and Thomas Edison also failed traditional schools and IQ tests early in their lives.

    Also interesting is the fact that African Americans dominate almost all sports and are the most influential artists in history. Nearly all modern musical genres, including country music, were transformed by African American artists. The only pure western musical style is Classical or Opera. The ancient Egyptians created a vast culture and breathtaking architecture while white people were still living in caves. I guess it all depends what you call "genius', maybe those bloodletting cave dwellers were super smart by your standards :/

    I realize though that it's pointless to argue with someone who searches for evidence to justify his racism.

    Disregarding intelligence is a liberal's 2nd last ditch effort to derail the bell curve fact. The last is calling someone Nazi.

    IQ is real. It can be tested and repeated. Modern IQ tests have been through the wringer and changed to be as accurate and "culturally unbiased" as possible, yet they continue to show the exact same repeatable results: blacks on average are always significantly lower than any other group.

    Oh my god you actually believe the Egyptians who built the Pyramids were black?! They were the now extinct Mediterranean white sub race. Only in the 25th Dynasty did the black Nubians finally succeed in invading Egypt (after constantly trying for millennia). Then Alexander invaded, took over, and instituted the Ptolomys (which Cleopatria was a member of... she was a Greek!). You can clearly see in Egyptian tomb painting the Egyptians warring against blacks and Semites, both drawn with clearly identifying features different than the Egyptians.

    In fact, the ancient geographical range of whites was much larger than today, including most of North Africa and the Middle East. But just like today it is constantly being constricted by invasion; legal or otherwise.
    Don't worry no one is going to disregard your intelligence. It would take too long to find it to make disregarding worthwhile.
  • Reply 443 of 492
    jungmark wrote: »
    I love how you're against the death penalty but have no issues with abortion.
    That's what progressives resort to: name calling and labeling.

    Strange, I did not state my stance on either issue. I will say, however, that Jesus spoke out at least twice against the death penalty and never said one word about abortion. I will also say that if abortion is murder, a lot of young women would be on death row or life in prison. Not only that, every instance in which she smokes, drinks, etc could be charged with providing a controlled substance to a minor. Likewise should she not be wearing a seatbelt- she would be charged with child endangerment. Every miscarriage would be treated as a potential homocide or child negligence.

    That sounds like a pretty "big government".

    That said, I do have issues with abortion and believe it should be safe, legal, and rare. I believe that criminalizing things often leads to more problems and more government intervention into one's personal life.

    Just because Reagan was against seatbelt and helmet laws didn't mean he was anti-highway safety or favored reckless driving behaviors. Like Reagan, I believe education is much more effective than criminalizing. Just because i oppose criminalizing alcohol doesn't mean that I favor alcoholism. I think the pro-life bilboards have been wonderful in raising the issue, making people take the issue more seriously, and ultimately reducing the instance of abortions (which incidentally have gone down under this pro-choice administration).

    BTW, many Republicans share my views on abortion. Not only Guiliani, and also (sometimes) Romney but Laura and Barbara Bush, as well as Condi Rice. Are you suggesting that they also have "no issues" with abortion?
  • Reply 444 of 492
    websnapwebsnap Posts: 224member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by IHateRegistering View Post





    Again, you are confusing education with intelligence. The poor generally have worse education (even if equally provided) because they are dealing with other issues in life... Like survival. That is understandable to some degree. But that same person has a certain intelligence ability, which is testable and repeatable, which will never change even if they somehow achieve a doctorate degree.



    Speaking of doctorates, Neil Tyson is NOT a genius! He is a modern media friendly television personality. He is the diversity image of a field which is by and large not black. Not even part black like him. Speaking of part black, African Americans score about 10 points higher than "pure" black Africans. This is due to the fact that almost all African Americans have white admixture. 80 + 100 / 2 = 90.



    Lol, you are entitled to your opinion – as deluded and cherry-picked the “facts” are that support them. One day I hope — for all of our sake — your point of view is as extinct as you magical “Mediterranean white sub race”... I would take apart your “facts” but really, what’s the point. You are just going to make up some useless fact to prop up your prejudice (it’s what it is, there is no doubt — like, textbook definition) like leprechauns actually built the Taj Mahal so instead, I’ll just wish you a good day yelling at kids to get off you lawn. 

  • Reply 445 of 492
    Disregarding intelligence is a liberal's 2nd last ditch effort to derail the bell curve fact. The last is calling someone Nazi.

    IQ is real. It can be tested and repeated. Modern IQ tests have been through the wringer and changed to be as accurate and "culturally unbiased" as possible, yet they continue to show the exact same repeatable results: blacks on average are always significantly lower than any other group.

    Oh my god you actually believe the Egyptians who built the Pyramids were black?! They were the now extinct Mediterranean white sub race. Only in the 25th Dynasty did the black Nubians finally succeed in invading Egypt (after constantly trying for millennia). Then Alexander invaded, took over, and instituted the Ptolomys (which Cleopatria was a member of... she was a Greek!). You can clearly see in Egyptian tomb painting the Egyptians warring against blacks and Semites, both drawn with clearly identifying features different than the Egyptians.

    In fact, the ancient geographical range of whites was much larger than today, including most of North Africa and the Middle East. But just like today it is constantly being constricted by invasion; legal or otherwise.

    Wow!!! This thread confirms my worst fears about conservatives. They deny science, even when there's overwhelming consensus, like in the case of man made climate change and evolution. When one quack study, though, confirms some reason for their racism/sexism/homophobia/etc, they latch onto it like a rabid dog. It doesn't matter that it's a fringe theory and that scientists overwhelmingly reject it, they refer to it relentlessly as if it's settled (like evolution).
  • Reply 446 of 492
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    nowayout11 wrote: »

    Completely off topic, but meaning what exactly? Homeless and poor should be killed off through attrition?

    I was referring to the entity Benjamin Frost whom you replied to. There is an effort underway to ignore him.
  • Reply 447 of 492
    Tim Cook has not commented on selling Apple's products that openly prosecute, and executes, gays. i.e. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and now Iran....
  • Reply 448 of 492
    I'm sure ihateregistering will find it interesting that liberal atheists have higher IQs than religious conservatives:

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/

    I'm pretty sure its genetic :-/
  • Reply 449 of 492
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    ned bulous wrote: »
    I'm sure ihateregistering will find it interesting that liberal atheists have higher IQs than religious conservatives:

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/

    I'm pretty sure its genetic :-/

    From your own link:

    "The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say."
  • Reply 450 of 492

    Does anyone find it mildly hypocritical of Cook to condemn a law in Indiana (which he likely hasn't even read - it doesn't even mention sexual orientation), but yet he gladly visits and does business in Saudi Arabia, one of the most oppressive regimes in the world where homosexuality is punishable by death? 

     

    CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 75

  • Reply 451 of 492
    websnapwebsnap Posts: 224member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Agent Apple View Post

     

    Does anyone find it mildly hypocritical of Cook to condemn a law in Indiana (which he likely hasn't even read - it doesn't even mention sexual orientation), but yet he gladly visits and does business in Saudi Arabia, one of the most oppressive regimes in the world where homosexuality is punishable by death? 

     

    CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 75




    No, not at all. He’s dealing with something within his country first before he attempts to go out and condemns others in a country he doesn’t live in — because that would be hypocritical. Besides, I would think it much more hypocritical of the Saudis who would kill them if he wasn’t so important. I, personally think it shows them up — being openly gay and knowing they can’t do shit to him, for fear that deals fall apart. Apple’s not after oil, they want HIS business. Apple would like their business but doesn’t NEED it. He is in a position of empowerment— and just maybe in a position to broaden people’s perspective on things they are ignorant of – Like homosexuality in general. Just Maybe.

  • Reply 452 of 492
    From your own link:

    "The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say."

    I realize that, of course. I was just being snarky. Just as others should realize their claims about racial IQ differences shouldn't be used to stereotype or make assumptions about other people. There's far more to intelligence than those tests measure. My point is if you put stock into racial IQ differences, you need to put stock into political ideology IQ tests, which have consistently shown the same thing and may be the reason that higher-learning facilities are stereotyped as being liberal bastions.
  • Reply 453 of 492
    Does anyone find it mildly hypocritical of Cook to condemn a law in Indiana (which he likely hasn't even read - it doesn't even mention sexual orientation), but yet he gladly visits and does business in Saudi Arabia, one of the most oppressive regimes in the world where homosexuality is punishable by death? 

    <img alt="CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 75" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="57263" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/57263/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 302px">

    Are you suggesting that Cook won't sell iPhones to bigots in IN? I believe he said that Apple does not discriminate and will do business with anyone. Moreover, I'm sure you don't really think he approves of the laws in Saudi Arabia, but that is not his country. He is American and has every right to speak out on Issues which concern him.

    I seem to remember GW Bush being extremely friendly with SA despite the fact that women can't attend school or drive, as well as their brutal treatment of other groups. Does that mean Bush was ok with SA laws? Of course not.
  • Reply 454 of 492
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    ned bulous wrote: »
    I'm sure ihateregistering will find it interesting that liberal atheists have higher IQs than religious conservatives:

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/

    I'm pretty sure its genetic :-/

    We need a comparison of IQs between people who are gender-variation tolerant and those who are straight-centric and variation-intolerant. That would be a lot of fun. /s

    Of course, IQ's primary hidden bias is that it tests for left-brain visual performance, so such comparisons are bogus anyway. Including race comparisons.
  • Reply 455 of 492
    msanttimsantti Posts: 1,377member

    I always thought it was Adam and Eve.

     

    Now I have been come to aware it was actually Adam and Steve.

     

    The war on Christianity is now in full swing.

  • Reply 456 of 492
    msantti wrote: »
    I always thought it was Adam and Eve.

    Now I have been come to aware it was actually Adam and Steve.

    The war on Christianity is now in full swing.

    Poor victimized Christians! There are hardly any Christian members of Congress, Presidents, justices, etc are there? LOL

    Ironic how the most privileged group in the USA always sees themselves as victims, especially as they criticize the real victims of discrimination.
  • Reply 457 of 492
    I believe in science and evolution, and don't believe in any religion.

    What part of your quote are you refuting?
    Disregarding intelligence is a liberal's 2nd last ditch effort to derail the bell curve fact. The last is calling someone Nazi.

    IQ is real. It can be tested and repeated. Modern IQ tests have been through the wringer and changed to be as accurate and "culturally unbiased" as possible, yet they continue to show the exact same repeatable results: blacks on average are always significantly lower than any other group.

    Oh my god you actually believe the Egyptians who built the Pyramids were black?! They were the now extinct Mediterranean white sub race. Only in the 25th Dynasty did the black Nubians finally succeed in invading Egypt (after constantly trying for millennia). Then Alexander invaded, took over, and instituted the Ptolomys (which Cleopatria was a member of... she was a Greek!). You can clearly see in Egyptian tomb painting the Egyptians warring against blacks and Semites, both drawn with clearly identifying features different than the Egyptians.

    In fact, the ancient geographical range of whites was much larger than today, including most of North Africa and the Middle East. But just like today it is constantly being constricted by invasion; legal or otherwise.

    Uh-oh. Looks like the average gay man has a higher IQ than the average straight man.

    http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/JBS2012.pdf

    I guess that means if you're a gay liberal atheist, your IQ is on average a full 20 points or so higher than a straight conservative Christian.
  • Reply 458 of 492
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    ned bulous wrote: »

    Uh-oh. Looks like the average gay man has a higher IQ than the average straight man.

    http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/JBS2012.pdf

    I guess that means if you're a gay liberal atheist, your IQ is on average a full 20 points or so higher than a straight conservative Christian.

    And:
    Poor victimized Christians! There are hardly any Christian members of Congress, Presidents, justices, etc are there? LOL

    Ironic how the most privileged group in the USA always sees themselves as victims, especially as they criticize the real victims of discrimination.

    Good work keeping up with the victims of greater tolerance and civil rights. Well done.
  • Reply 459 of 492
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Straight white men can't even walk down the street without someone accosting them for their straightness, their whiteness, or their maleness.
  • Reply 460 of 492
    Oh IQ is real now and can be measured amongst and compared against groups?

    Thanks for allowing this, LGBTs!

    I know, I know. Only available when framed for use against straight white man. Just like all the Affirmative Action programs.

    Some people entirely miss the point. I was using the absurdity of pitting one groups' IQ against another to see how folks who trumpet fringe data when it favors their group feel when it works against their group. The silence of ihateregistering speaks volumes, after he so loudly trumpeted the legitimacy of IQ tests. You may recall that I stated that there are always cultural biases in IQ tests. I believe it's called ruductio ad absurdum.

    Again, for the record, I don't believe that IQ tests measure all facets of intelligence. I also don't believe that any race/sexual orientation/etc is inherently more intelligent than any other.
Sign In or Register to comment.