Why Macintosh?

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
I have read this board for the last few weeks in amazement. I am shocked at the fanatical worship many display for a computer! You seem like a group of desperate separatists clinging to the last few breaths of a dying tradition. I ask you "Why Macintosh?" In my opinion, and that of most people in this world, Macintosh is a thing of the past. It was a good idea, but Apple messed it up and Wintel advanced the best aspects of it to be the dominant platform. I wish that you would let go of the Macintosh so that we can get those pesky things out of our shops! They are nothing but an inconvenience and a nuisance to those of us who maintain networks.

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  • Reply 1 of 20
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    Logical fallacy: just because it (Windows) is more popular doesn't mean it's better.



    PS: could you do something about this flaky Precision 420 I'm on?



    OK, though this will quickly degrade into a flame war, I'll SAY this in return: I find the whole PCs suck vs. Macs suck debate pointless because in truth, PC are better-suited for some, and Mac are better-suited for others. A little tolerance of how others like to work (and play I suppose)would be appreciated. It's only a bother because no one is willing to play nice with things like file formats and communication standards. No one else gets too upset if you have Sprint PCS vs. Voicestream or whatever else.



    As for this board, it's all in good fun. Some do take things too seriously, but take it all in stride.



    [edit: didn't ask anything]



    [ 06-16-2002: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</p>
  • Reply 2 of 20
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,419member
    Pffft not even worth writing a meaningful response. Keep reading these boards maybe you'll learn something.
  • Reply 3 of 20
    jambojambo Posts: 3,036member
    [quote]Originally posted by Dell_Iron:

    <strong>...blah... You seem like a group of desperate separatists clinging to the last few breaths of a dying tradition. ...blah...</strong><hr></blockquote>



    IMO the Wintel PC is the dying tradition, the Mac is in a growth stage while other PC manufacturers continue downsizing.



    Thank you for taking the time to post here though Mr Dell. Say hi to "the dude" for me.



    J :cool:
  • Reply 4 of 20
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    All it really is is a matter of opinion. Some people like PCs. Some people like Macs. Go enjoy your Dell and leave us alone.
  • Reply 5 of 20
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    looking at <a href="http://www.apple.com"; target="_blank">www.apple.com</a> it sure doesn't look like we're living in the past
  • Reply 6 of 20
    irishirish Posts: 8member
    [quote]Originally posted by Dell_Iron:

    <strong>They are nothing but an inconvenience and a nuisance to those of us who maintain networks.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    "And the troll shall expose himself in subtle ways"



    Sir, if you have problems integrating a mac into a windows network [EDIT: or any network for that matter], I suggest you lay down the crack pipe, and persue a real education at an accredited institution, as I fear you were seriously ripped off on whatever passed as your previous "education".



    [ 06-16-2002: Message edited by: irish ]</p>
  • Reply 7 of 20
    I don't use crack and I didn't ask to be attacked and flamed with Macintosh propoganda.
  • Reply 8 of 20
    cyko95cyko95 Posts: 391member
    [quote]Originally posted by Dell_Iron:

    <strong>...They are nothing but an inconvenience and a nuisance to those of us who maintain networks.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I've been a Windows LAN administrator for a national ISP for the past 5 years. I use a Mac on my own time. And from using both platforms for work and play I can strongly say that if you are having problems with Mac's on your networks, then you need to find a new line of work. They are BY FAR the easiest to maintain. I can leave Mac boxes for months on end without hearing one of the employees with a problem. PC's on the other hand are much higher maintenance. If Mac's are a problem on your network, I would hate to see what state your PC's are in.



    Maybe you should look into making Amish furniture for a living...



    BTW - If apple is such a lost cause, then what were you doing here? Waisting time while your network of PC's were rebooting?
  • Reply 9 of 20
    [quote]Originally posted by Dell_Iron:

    <strong>I don't use crack and I didn't ask to be attacked and flamed with Macintosh propoganda.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    No, but you spewed (like so much Mountain Dew from the mouths of geeks) a pile of Windows-x86 propaganda......



    sheesh.



    "Let he who is without FUD cast the first stone."



    TING5
  • Reply 10 of 20
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    Dell_iron, no flame here, but have you done some homework to get your own answer? in particular, have you checked out Apple's new Mac OS X? Frankl,y it's the reason I changed course from slowly moving away from my Mac to using it about 80% of the time. On top of the new operating system, the new apps and software makers I've seen come out in the Mac community in the last 18 months is nothing sort of astonishing. Everything from freeware good enough to be $30-$50 products to $1000 commercial applications. When you look at Mac OS X, look into the applications out there too.



    It's not exactly a dinosaur platform any more.
  • Reply 11 of 20
    irishirish Posts: 8member
    [quote]Originally posted by Dell_Iron:

    <strong>I don't use crack and I didn't ask to be attacked and flamed with Macintosh propoganda.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Perhaps not, but you did come into a Mac forum with some pretty outlandish trolls, and then proceeded to judge all mac users by the content of this one forum.



    Mr. Dell, I dare you to try this with a much more level headed group of mac users over at <a href="http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=frm&s=50009562&f=8300945231"; target="_blank">Arstechnica's OpenForum</a>. I am sure you would have your ass handed to you just as fast, if not faster.



    Now, as for the crack comment, maybe I did get carried away, and for that I appologize. But I still am reserving that judgement for you, unless you somehow demonstrate that you do indeed have a clue.



    Here is my Challenge to you:



    You say that "Macintosh is a thing of the past". With what knowledge do you base this falacy? Have you any experience with computers outside of school? Have you any experience with the 2D/Print/Graphic Design industries (this question is obviously rhetorical, as the answer is surely a resounding "no")?



    You say "It was a good idea, but Apple messed it up and Wintel advanced the best aspects of it to be the dominant platform." Am I reading you right in saying that Window's is in the position it is in due to being over all a better system? Would you care to back that up? Are you one of the people who is unaware of what a monopoly is, and how it works? And no, you are not allowed to ignore the piles of stinking poo that are windows 3.1/95/98/ME. I promise I will respond in kind by not pretending that Classic MacOS does not exist either.



    And this comment "I wish that you would let go of the Macintosh so that we can get those pesky things out of our shops!" leads me to beleive that you have absolutely no clue at all what they are used for at your place of employment. Many of the Mac users I know would rather be unemployed than have to do their work on a PC. Why is this? Because they work better on a Mac. They work faster on a mac. I know people that still use 10 year old, 100 MHz Macs for heavy production work, and I would wager a month's wage that they are more efficient than you could ever hope to be.



    But what really took the cake in your troll was this little gem: "They are nothing but an inconvenience and a nuisance to those of us who maintain networks." Ok, so you know absolutely nothing about macs, and apparently you know even less about networks. I really do pray that you are not in charge of any portion of your companies network, and if you are, you should let us all know what company that is, so we are sure to stay away from it in the future.



    So, if you want to share with us why you feel the way you do, while at the same time leaving out the lies and bits that you don't understand, we would be more than happy to tell you "Why Macintosh?"
  • Reply 12 of 20
    irishirish Posts: 8member
    [quote]<strong>Suckfuldotwhatever, dude.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    do I know you from somewhere?!?



    [EDIT: added wink]



    [ 06-16-2002: Message edited by: irish ]</p>
  • Reply 13 of 20
    bogiebogie Posts: 407member
    I want to know how a Mac has caused problems on a network.



    I know how PCs cause problems on networks [NT Profile problem ? roaming profiles randomly become corrupt, random data gets leaked between profiles, also the issue that roaming profiles between NT and 2K cause data corruption].



    So, with that in my past experience I want to know what issues Macs cause on networks.
  • Reply 14 of 20
    irishirish Posts: 8member
    [quote]Originally posted by Bogie:

    <strong>So, with that in my past experience I want to know what issues Macs cause on networks.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Must be those pesky .Trashes files, as those seem piss off the admins on my network, though not enough for them to jump to the same conclusions that this guy has.



    [ 06-16-2002: Message edited by: irish ]</p>
  • Reply 15 of 20
    splinemodelsplinemodel Posts: 7,311member
    I've done a lot of very large scale network stuff & monitoring with Mac OS X, and with windows. Microsoft realizes that it can make windows to be as proprietary (from a software perspective) as they want it, due to the monopoly factor. They can also force people to pay subscriptions by purposefully not removing bugs and security holes. And they do.



    SO windows means:

    - more paperwork (subscriptions)

    - more cost due to subscriptions

    - more cost due to greater volume of help desk calls. (I've worked help desks)

    - more cost due to virus damage

    - more pain due to virus damage



    Those are objective costs. Subjectively, I think most people, from a clean slate, would prefer the mac, but that's not even my argument here.



    From a networking perspective:

    - OS X has a faster TCP-IP stack

    - OS X has more flexible networking out of the box (NFS, AppleTalk, AppleTalk IP, Samba)

    - OS X server is cheaper than Windows server.

    - OS X server has more widely-used and powerful UNIX based server tools than does Windows, largely because they don't tend to have security holes.



    Networking with OS X is great. It's very easy to setup many different kinds of networks with it. Windows is more finicky.



    Many institutions that have the option of phasing in UNIX-based servers and Mac OS X based servers are doing so. After Code Red, the interest in Windows as a robust server platform went down a good bit. Maybe that's why Dell tried to start building a Linux-based line of servers and desktops until MS told them it would refuse to allow them to license Windows if it continued selling Linux machines.
  • Reply 16 of 20
    [quote]Originally posted by irish:

    <strong>



    do I know you from somewhere?!?



    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I am known by many names.....



    My Cat ate a Graham Cracker
  • Reply 17 of 20
    scott f.scott f. Posts: 276member
    [quote]Originally posted by Dell_Iron:

    <strong>I have read this board for the last few weeks in amazement. I am shocked at the fanatical worship many display for a computer!</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Fanatical worship...? Are you sure you're reading ALL the right topics & threads here...? Mac users can be some of the MOST critical evaluators of Apples offerings.



    [quote]<strong> You seem like a group of desperate separatists clinging to the last few breaths of a dying tradition.!</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Oh, c'mon now... you don't think that line is antagonistic...?





    [quote]<strong>I ask you "Why Macintosh?" In my opinion, and that of most people in this world, Macintosh is a thing of the past.!</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I can understand you speaking on behalf of YOUR opinion... but who elected you to speak on behalf of "Most of the people in this world"...?



    Thing of the past...? Hmmm... you're thinking "old-school" my friend. Go read-up on Mac OSX and it's underpinnings.



    [quote]<strong>It was a good idea, but Apple messed it up and Wintel advanced the best aspects of it to be the dominant platform. I wish that you would let go of the Macintosh so that we can get those pesky things out of our shops!</strong><hr></blockquote>



    What's stopping you from getting the "Pesky" things out now...? Besides... what's so "pesky" about them? Seems like all the IT People I know in the business have NO PROBLEM integrating Macs into an NT server environment.



    Oh yeah... you have no time to do it because you're always dealing with Windows issues!

    (Sorry, cheap shot with no basis, I know... but it's funny to me)



    [quote]<strong>They are nothing but an inconvenience and a nuisance to those of us who maintain networks.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Again... it's time to get some people with "experience" in your department then, because I've worked at MAJOR design firms and Internet technology firms in the Boston area, and ALL of the IT departments were VERY Mac-knowledgable and we had no issues connecting, sharing files, printing, in environments that were 80% PC - 20% Mac.



    Dude... I'm not bashing you... but you are generalizing the overall condition based on YOUR limited experience. Believe me... Macs aren't going away any time soon... if anything.. get ready to start dealing with Apple-based servers within the next few years... I'll bet you'll see these start poppin-up in your world in the not-so-distant future.



    Try this: Open your mind. Drop the negativity towards the platform and TRY a Mac running OSX. Or read what these people have to say... FORMER PC users:



    <a href="http://www.apple.com/switch/"; target="_blank">PC Users that switched</a>
  • Reply 18 of 20
    cubedudecubedude Posts: 1,556member
    [quote]They are nothing but an inconvenience and a nuisance to those of us who maintain networks.

    <hr></blockquote>



    That's what my school thought, too. Now they wish they still had those old Bondi Blue iMac's, not the Wintel machines in their now.
  • Reply 19 of 20
    progmacprogmac Posts: 1,850member
    [quote]Originally posted by Dell_Iron:

    <strong>I don't use crack.</strong><hr></blockquote>

    i think this fella was scared away. why do pc people bash mac with such contempt and a general "i'm pissed" attitude while mac-users maintain rational discussions rather than fanatical pc bashing? i shouldn't say "pc people" in such a broad sense--we probably just hear only the fancrazies here.



    when people have a certain level of irrationality/general lack of knowledge i think it is probably just best to leave them alone.



    Mr. Dell, i don't think anyone ever thought you actually used crack.
  • Reply 20 of 20
    artman @_@artman @_@ Posts: 2,546member
    Dell_iron is probably gone now. This is sooo common anywhere on message boards...he'll probably never be back....



    Still, I'm proud to see everyone reply in a relatively sane manner (better than I could). Haven't seen otherwise, unless the troll is a real ******* (er...WINDMAN comes to mind).



    I really don't care what machine is in front of me. If it gets the job done then it did it's job. I have worked with Windows PC's for 5 years in the workforce. Only once did I work on a Mac in the workforce. Right now I'm using a Gateway to post this at my new job.



    And Irish?



    "Many of the Mac users I know would rather be unemployed than have to do their work on a PC."



    In this current economic climate...I certainly would not drop an offer only because they use Wintel machines. If they got work and they want to hire me...I'll take it. As long as I know when I get home...my Mac is there.



    I prefer Macs... <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />



    I love Macs...
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