I'm definitely going to pick one of these up - the 1.2gHz, 500gb version, for business travel. As much as I really love my '13 15" rMBP (2.7 / 16 / 500 model), it's more power than I need while on the road, not to mention the extra weight it adds to my bag. The screen size will be the only negative, but I'll gladly make that trade for the weight and battery savings.
Smaller and fewer components typically run cooler - even if the delivered capability is greater. Without fans I would have to think the engineers determined that passive airflow would be sufficient to keep it within normal operating parameters. For this generation of chips etc this is likely limiting the clock speed. In other words - if they did include active cooling then they could likely run it at 10% or 20% etc faster and still remain within environmental parameters. The number of electrons you push and the distance you push them both affect heat generated. If you shrink the dies etc then you don't have to push them as far - if you invent better and more efficient ways to get work done with fewer electrons then you save even more in heat generated.
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Originally Posted by fallenjt
Seriously I don't know why the F fandroids are so denial about Apple products such as this MacBook. From the design to technologies put into this laptop, it blows the sh.t other laptops out of water. Apple always set the bar so high. I feel sorry for fandroids who never had any real user experience like Apple users.
The have a user experience - trouble they are the ones getting used.
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Originally Posted by BestKeptSecret
I bit the bullet and bought the new 5K iMac. My late 2009 27" became dead slow after I updated the OS to Yosemite. So I'm hoping they don't release an 8K iMac soon! Performance improvements on the next iteration, I can live with though!
I put an SSD drive into a Core2Duo iMac and it made world of difference - along with a clean install and installing only apps and such that would be used. Still with its limited memory capacity and old graphics card it cannot keep up with everything the kids want to throw at it.
It will likely be awhile before i replace my 2011 MacBook Pro systems - the way that I use them most of the time - the ports and even optical drive and especially the 16GB of RAM - and docking station are more important to me that reduced weight. I am using the Optical drive less and less and do have an external - so I could probably live without that - but will find it hard to give up my 17" monitor when the time comes to replace my main system - might have to look at a Mac Pro for the desk and an new MacBook Pro Retina for the road.
As for iFixit's repairability score of 1, I can see the Apple Watch being a zero but these scores are fine with me as long as they never need to be repaired. The new MacBook isn't a model I see 99.99% of buyers ever wanting to upgrade. Of course, everyone on this forum upgrades everything they can but this laptop hopefully is sized properly for the intended audience and will just keep on running for years to come. Of course, as with any Apple laptop, I'd make sure I bought AppleCare or similar insurance just in case.
What I'm waiting for is for someone to disassemble a MacBook and put the logic board into its own custom (blade) case, complete with ports for a display and keyboard. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like there's any connection for hard-wired ethernet, just wireless, but that could work in a blade server. I'm guessing the logic board could fit in a 1U high rack on it's side in a slot. Not the fastest server CPU but pack a bunch in a very small space and it might work for those Mac-based file storage companies. The RAM and flash storage on on the logic board and the USB-C port is all that's needed for accessing attached, fast (5Gbps) storage. Put the disk drives in the back of the 1U rack unit and you'd have a very interesting server.
iFixit reaches new levels of trolling. I'm not sure they can do anything besides complain at this point.
The MacBook's battery is glued, but it's glued to the proper side of the case now; unlike the rMBP you won't destroy the trackpad and keyboard removing it. Of course, saying something positive wouldn't fit the narrative, so they won't.
I agree. I'm waiting for a Skylake iMac. The 5K iMac almost got me, but couldn't press the "buy" button because of that. I think Apple is going to go through another serious product lineup by end of this year, or 1Q next year.
Thankfully, Skylake will be the best. Intel will not release anything faster afterwards. /s
iFixit reaches new levels of trolling. I'm not sure they can do anything besides complain at this point.
The MacBook's battery is glued, but it's glued to the proper side of the case now; unlike the rMBP you won't destroy the trackpad and keyboard removing it. Of course, saying something positive wouldn't fit the narrative, so they won't.
Seriously, they're a bunch of bitter hacks.
They're more like hacker cranks. They have a "repair manifesto." Nobody except DIY hobbyists would care, but for some reason, tech sites with no affinity or affiliation with iFixit's politics love linking to their tear-down porn, giving them and their soapbox higher visibility than is otherwise warranted. I also think it's one of the reason they tear down Apple products: for the attention it brings them. I mean, otherwise, I wouldn't have heard of them or their manifesto.
I checked one out at the Apple Store yesterday and was blown away. Most of the reviews criticizing it are full of shit. For example, the hack at recode said it took her a week to get used to the keyboard. You've got to be kidding! The keyboard feels great and super easy to use. Since its retina, the screen is excellent and easy to view at its current size. It is an engineering marvel, solid, and amazingly light. Also, it is much faster than the reviews would lead you to believe. Apps like iMovie loaded quickly in just 3 seconds. The only real criticism I have is that it could definitely benefit from a second port but I can certainly live with that, along with a couple adapters if really needed.
I so agree, I think next year it would be awesome! Prolly a boost in power, and new monitors with usb-c will come out, that already have the hub for usb crap all built in, so instead of plugging in two cables with Thunderbolt Display, only needt to plugin one cable(I know it will save me lots of time, and improve my productivity).
iFixit reaches new levels of trolling. I'm not sure they can do anything besides complain at this point.
The MacBook's battery is glued, but it's glued to the proper side of the case now; unlike the rMBP you won't destroy the trackpad and keyboard removing it. Of course, saying something positive wouldn't fit the narrative, so they won't.
Seriously, they're a bunch of bitter hacks.
Their entire business is predicated on being able to sell parts/tools to people to follow instructions to fix their devices ,so it's hardly a surprise that they hate on a well-engineered product for requiring specialist techniques and tools for disassembly and repair. That doesn't mean the average consumer should give one whit about what they say though.
Thankfully, Skylake will be the best. Intel will not release anything faster afterwards. /s
Don't get me wrong... My 2009 iMac with that quad i7 and SSD still has way more horsepower than most regular users will ever need. I'm not a "regular" user anymore like I was when I bought that machine. Just a few weeks ago in preparation for upgrading a client-site, I was running two VM's of Windows Server 2012, one for Windows 10, and another for Windows 8 all at the same time and I was amazed that my iMac didn't miss a beat.
Broadway just wasn't that much of a jump performance-wise for me to take the plunge. The 5K iMac was sweet to say the least, but it really felt to me that Apple made it a bridge for something bigger and better later in the year. With the USB-C spec finalized, TB3 coming (hopefully), the new trackpad, etc... I "think" I made the right decision to wait another year.
It's self-defeating anyways. There's always something better/faster afterwards. Heck, my 2009 iMac is almost six years old now and I'm not in that much a rush to get one. Obviously, if it were to blow up right now, I'd go right in and buy me that 5K with no hesitation.
Agreed. Played with one at the Apple Store today. The screen is a huge step up - gorgeous, crisp, clear, in scaled mode much sharper than the MBPr. Hope this display becomes the standard. Didn't even notice the keyboard pitch, and that's coming off the Late 2009 MB as my daily driver. Ran it through a dozen tracks in a Garageband document - it didn't even blink. Photos, iMovie with their preloaded demo content - all smooth as silk. Same price as a MBA-13 at 8/256 and $200 less than the MPBr-13 at 8/256. it's actually a nice price point if it holds the line on performance. Still not convinced leaving MagSafe behind is the best solution.
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I'm definitely going to pick one of these up - the 1.2gHz, 500gb version, for business travel. As much as I really love my '13 15" rMBP (2.7 / 16 / 500 model), it's more power than I need while on the road, not to mention the extra weight it adds to my bag. The screen size will be the only negative, but I'll gladly make that trade for the weight and battery savings.
I wonder how hot this thing will run
Smaller and fewer components typically run cooler - even if the delivered capability is greater. Without fans I would have to think the engineers determined that passive airflow would be sufficient to keep it within normal operating parameters. For this generation of chips etc this is likely limiting the clock speed. In other words - if they did include active cooling then they could likely run it at 10% or 20% etc faster and still remain within environmental parameters. The number of electrons you push and the distance you push them both affect heat generated. If you shrink the dies etc then you don't have to push them as far - if you invent better and more efficient ways to get work done with fewer electrons then you save even more in heat generated.
Seriously I don't know why the F fandroids are so denial about Apple products such as this MacBook. From the design to technologies put into this laptop, it blows the sh.t other laptops out of water. Apple always set the bar so high. I feel sorry for fandroids who never had any real user experience like Apple users.
The have a user experience - trouble they are the ones getting used.
I bit the bullet and bought the new 5K iMac. My late 2009 27" became dead slow after I updated the OS to Yosemite. So I'm hoping they don't release an 8K iMac soon! Performance improvements on the next iteration, I can live with though!
I put an SSD drive into a Core2Duo iMac and it made world of difference - along with a clean install and installing only apps and such that would be used. Still with its limited memory capacity and old graphics card it cannot keep up with everything the kids want to throw at it.
It will likely be awhile before i replace my 2011 MacBook Pro systems - the way that I use them most of the time - the ports and even optical drive and especially the 16GB of RAM - and docking station are more important to me that reduced weight. I am using the Optical drive less and less and do have an external - so I could probably live without that - but will find it hard to give up my 17" monitor when the time comes to replace my main system - might have to look at a Mac Pro for the desk and an new MacBook Pro Retina for the road.
As for iFixit's repairability score of 1, I can see the Apple Watch being a zero but these scores are fine with me as long as they never need to be repaired. The new MacBook isn't a model I see 99.99% of buyers ever wanting to upgrade. Of course, everyone on this forum upgrades everything they can but this laptop hopefully is sized properly for the intended audience and will just keep on running for years to come. Of course, as with any Apple laptop, I'd make sure I bought AppleCare or similar insurance just in case.
What I'm waiting for is for someone to disassemble a MacBook and put the logic board into its own custom (blade) case, complete with ports for a display and keyboard. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like there's any connection for hard-wired ethernet, just wireless, but that could work in a blade server. I'm guessing the logic board could fit in a 1U high rack on it's side in a slot. Not the fastest server CPU but pack a bunch in a very small space and it might work for those Mac-based file storage companies. The RAM and flash storage on on the logic board and the USB-C port is all that's needed for accessing attached, fast (5Gbps) storage. Put the disk drives in the back of the 1U rack unit and you'd have a very interesting server.
The MacBook's battery is glued, but it's glued to the proper side of the case now; unlike the rMBP you won't destroy the trackpad and keyboard removing it. Of course, saying something positive wouldn't fit the narrative, so they won't.
Seriously, they're a bunch of bitter hacks.
What can I do if I break/damage the USB port on the Macbook? Will Apple be able to repair it or am I going to have to replace the whole thing?
Thankfully, Skylake will be the best. Intel will not release anything faster afterwards. /s
They're more like hacker cranks. They have a "repair manifesto." Nobody except DIY hobbyists would care, but for some reason, tech sites with no affinity or affiliation with iFixit's politics love linking to their tear-down porn, giving them and their soapbox higher visibility than is otherwise warranted. I also think it's one of the reason they tear down Apple products: for the attention it brings them. I mean, otherwise, I wouldn't have heard of them or their manifesto.
I so agree, I think next year it would be awesome! Prolly a boost in power, and new monitors with usb-c will come out, that already have the hub for usb crap all built in, so instead of plugging in two cables with Thunderbolt Display, only needt to plugin one cable(I know it will save me lots of time, and improve my productivity).
iFixit reaches new levels of trolling. I'm not sure they can do anything besides complain at this point.
The MacBook's battery is glued, but it's glued to the proper side of the case now; unlike the rMBP you won't destroy the trackpad and keyboard removing it. Of course, saying something positive wouldn't fit the narrative, so they won't.
Seriously, they're a bunch of bitter hacks.
Their entire business is predicated on being able to sell parts/tools to people to follow instructions to fix their devices ,so it's hardly a surprise that they hate on a well-engineered product for requiring specialist techniques and tools for disassembly and repair. That doesn't mean the average consumer should give one whit about what they say though.
Thankfully, Skylake will be the best. Intel will not release anything faster afterwards. /s
Don't get me wrong... My 2009 iMac with that quad i7 and SSD still has way more horsepower than most regular users will ever need. I'm not a "regular" user anymore like I was when I bought that machine. Just a few weeks ago in preparation for upgrading a client-site, I was running two VM's of Windows Server 2012, one for Windows 10, and another for Windows 8 all at the same time and I was amazed that my iMac didn't miss a beat.
Broadway just wasn't that much of a jump performance-wise for me to take the plunge. The 5K iMac was sweet to say the least, but it really felt to me that Apple made it a bridge for something bigger and better later in the year. With the USB-C spec finalized, TB3 coming (hopefully), the new trackpad, etc... I "think" I made the right decision to wait another year.
It's self-defeating anyways. There's always something better/faster afterwards. Heck, my 2009 iMac is almost six years old now and I'm not in that much a rush to get one. Obviously, if it were to blow up right now, I'd go right in and buy me that 5K with no hesitation.
Agreed. Played with one at the Apple Store today. The screen is a huge step up - gorgeous, crisp, clear, in scaled mode much sharper than the MBPr. Hope this display becomes the standard. Didn't even notice the keyboard pitch, and that's coming off the Late 2009 MB as my daily driver. Ran it through a dozen tracks in a Garageband document - it didn't even blink. Photos, iMovie with their preloaded demo content - all smooth as silk. Same price as a MBA-13 at 8/256 and $200 less than the MPBr-13 at 8/256. it's actually a nice price point if it holds the line on performance. Still not convinced leaving MagSafe behind is the best solution.
Not seeing how a smartphone OS and a desktop/laptop OS are related.
It's not. The point is Fandroids bash everything iOS, OS. And also, OS and iOS have pretty much the same user experiences.