The 6 is just too big. When you have to double tap/ the home button to bring the icon's down from because the screen is too big for one handed use is silly. Its under the Accessibility category and rightfully so which I see as a flaw. The 5 and 5S are the perfect size. While the 6 and 6s are selling gangbusters to the masses, to get the android samsung big screen attention, they need not forget the 5S screen sizes that were still very popular and a lot of people have accustomed to.
I really really want a new 4" model but I guess I'm in the minority. I like the 6 but it's still more cumbersome than the 5 series was. Maybe if they make the 6s sides less slippery it'll be better to wield. I'm one of those that doesn't use a case. Haven't since the 3G.
I never used a case, but bought the dark blue leather case at the same time I got my Silver 6. It looks great, and removes all concern about the phone slipping from my grip. And it's very slim and form-fitting, so doesn't appreciably add to the bulk of the phone. A couple months in and I look at it and think, it doesn't look that much bigger than my old 5, until I see it next to a 5 as in the picture in this article. It just seems like the perfect size phone now, and I was one of those reluctant upgrades based upon the sizes of the 6 and 6+. Not anymore. I'd never go back.
The 6 is just too big. When you have to double tap/ the home button to bring the icon's down from because the screen is too big for one handed use is silly. Its under the Accessibility category and rightfully so which I see as a flaw. The 5 and 5S are the perfect size. While the 6 and 6s are selling gangbusters to the masses, to get the android samsung big screen attention, they need not forget the 5S screen sizes that were still very popular and a lot of people have accustomed to.
I will hold onto my 5S to the bitter end.
You know what: Apple won't care. Their purpose is selling as many phone with highest margin as possible.
The 6 is just too big. When you have to double tap/ the home button to bring the icon's down from because the screen is too big for one handed use is silly. Its under the Accessibility category and rightfully so which I see as a flaw. The 5 and 5S are the perfect size. While the 6 and 6s are selling gangbusters to the masses, to get the android samsung big screen attention, they need not forget the 5S screen sizes that were still very popular and a lot of people have accustomed to.
The 6 is just too big. When you have to double tap/ the home button to bring the icon's down from because the screen is too big for one handed use is silly. Its under the Accessibility category and rightfully so which I see as a flaw. The 5 and 5S are the perfect size. While the 6 and 6s are selling gangbusters to the masses, to get the android samsung big screen attention, they need not forget the 5S screen sizes that were still very popular and a lot of people have accustomed to.
I will hold onto my 5S to the bitter end.
I like my 5s, but sometimes a bigger screen would be nice. In my opinion, the vast majority of web sites are not designed with accessibility in mind.
For the vast majority of things one uses their iPhone for a tiny watch screen is useless. Unless you want to speak everything out loud via dictation, often not a good option in many situations, you reduce a very expensive iPhone and watch combo to much less functionality that exists now
I was just walking back to work carrying my lunch in one hand, and was checking my 5S with the other. Forget how tiny a watch screen would be, or the need to use Siri, it would be really difficult to navigate without both hands free. I suppose a clever use of Siri and your nose might get you around that, but why? There's a place for one-handed phone use, and the 5S is the last practical option for that at the moment.
I'm 50/50 on that. Based on history, Apple may just be okay to have 6S and 6 look exactly the same. Making plastic 6 may just cost extra on chassis design (antenna, compatible with curved glass edge...) vs just sell the 6 without tweaking manufacturing process. Remember, costs of BOM between polycarbon and aluminum are not that different.
who knows, Apple may just make 6S and 6S+ with kick ass specs to sell or minor tweak to external design to distinguish with older model such as: matching color of antenna, thinner antenna bands or gold ring of Touch ID...
It does cost of course to make the new design & tooling changes for a polycarbonate case for the iPhone 6 (10's of millions at a minimum, maybe 100's of millions even when just a case change given all the manufacturing tool & process changes). But having that clear delineation of the $99 model vs. the new metal models will mean millions more devices sold for $100 more. And those costs to make the change are in the "R&D line" of the income statement, while the improvements show up in the unit margins, which is a very closely watched figure.
Only Apple has the real data on that of course, but what we saw reported indicated it was instrumental in the up-sell to the 5s. Then there is the potential for cost savings (from manufacturing process, vs. raw material) of each "6c" as well.
No idea if Apple plans on doing that, but seems logical.
There is a pattern that Apple has been moving towards across it's product lines:
Mac Mini - iMac (aka Air) - MacPro MacBook (aka Mini) - MacBook Air - MacBook Pro iPad Mini - iPadAir - iPad Pro (rumored to be coming within a year) iPhone Mini (pre-iPhone6 size) - iPhone (aka Air) - iPhone Plus (aka Pro) iPod Shuffle (aka Mini) - iPod Nano (aka Air) - iPod Touch (aka Pro) Apple Watch Sport (aka Mini) - Apple Watch (aka Air) - Apple Watch Edition (aka Pro)
It does cost of course to make the new design & tooling changes for a polycarbonate case for the iPhone 6 (10's of millions at a minimum, maybe 100's of millions even when just a case change given all the manufacturing tool & process changes). But having that clear delineation of the $99 model vs. the new metal models will mean millions more devices sold for $100 more. And those costs to make the change are in the "R&D line" of the income statement, while the improvements show up in the unit margins, which is a very closely watched figure.
Only Apple has the real data on that of course, but what we saw reported indicated it was instrumental in the up-sell to the 5s. Then there is the potential for cost savings (from manufacturing process, vs. raw material) of each "6c" as well.
No idea if Apple plans on doing that, but seems logical.
iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S reminded you anything? They're idential and indistinguishable...Period. 4S sold to the roof and didn't get cannibalized by 4. We didn't see it then and we don't see it now.
Let's put it this way: iPhone 6S with A9 chip, 2GB of RAM, kickass camera, ForceTouch screen, gold ring Touch ID and 50% faster. Trust me, the sh.t will sell like hotcake...
I too like the smaller form-factor and have a 5s that I intended to upgrade this year. However... I don't expect to need NFC for another year (no Apple Pay in Europe) so it depends on any other new features in 2015's iPhones. Otherwise, the 5s brought in the big changes that matter to me (64-bit, fingerprint recognition) so ought to last another year quite well.
To me, the smaller size is a significant (I nearly said 'big') feature in its own right and one that the iPhone 6 (Plus) doesn't have.
I suspect Kuo is blowing hot air. Apple Pay has been very successful for Apple, I would imagine that they would want to get as much hardware as possible to the point of supporting Apple pay. That might mean a minor upgrade to the device but it would be an update none the less.
HIs analysis seems a bit weird. I agree 5c will go EOL, but I see a moderately updated 5s to include NFC for ApplePay to be almost guaranteed. Wouldn't be surprised if we see it at WWDC. It's an easy addition to an existing design, they want everyone to use ApplePay, and there's still apparently a market for a 4" phone. Based on all of those factors I'd imagine they want to take non-ApplePay phones out of circulation as soon as possible.
HIs analysis seems a bit weird. I agree 5c will go EOL, but I see a moderately updated 5s to include NFC for ApplePay to be almost guaranteed. Wouldn't be surprised if we see it at WWDC. It's an easy addition to an existing design, they want everyone to use ApplePay, and there's still apparently a market for a 4" phone. Based on all of those factors I'd imagine they want to take non-ApplePay phones out of circulation as soon as possible.
You guys just don't get it. It's not moderate update. It's entire resources allocated to do the update: redesign the board to accommodate NFC chip, implement the NFC antenna, R&D cost and manufacturing change. Apple don't and won't do that just for the sake of Apple Pay which barely available anywhere in the world but US. Also, Apple won't care about new 5S customers (mostly teenagers or grandparents) because those are unlikely to care about Apple Pay.
I will bet any price that there's no update on the phasing out 5S. It doesn't make any financial sense but just a wishful thinking of small number of people who couldn't get over 4" devices.
If this is true I will hold on to my 5 for yet another year and it will be four years old before I upgrade. Apple will have lost one whole upgrade cycle out of me (I previously upgraded every 2 years on contract) I suspect there are a lot more like me. Unless Apple offers a compelling 4 inch phone (min 64gb plus NTC) I will stay with the 5 till it dies on me.
I bought a 6 partially because I thought the international roll-out of Apple Pay would have happened by now. Compatible NFC terminals are ubiquitous in Australia - in fact US credit cards already work here. I'd really like to know what stage the negotiations are at with Australian Banks and where the hold-up is.
If someone went back to my earliest comments on here regarding the iPhone, it was that it was too big (in my opinion) at 3.5 inches. I wanted a smaller phone like the LG Dare I owned at the time.
I managed to move on to the "larger" iPhone and now own an iPhone 5S. However I really prefer the smaller sized phones. I absolutely am a one handed iPhone user and wish to remain that way. An updated 4 inch iPhone with ApplePay and whatever is next in camera optics would be great for me and I'd slap down my money for it. My wife has the iPhone 6 and I could easily have one as well. I just don't like the size.
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I will hold onto my 5S to the bitter end.
I really really want a new 4" model but I guess I'm in the minority. I like the 6 but it's still more cumbersome than the 5 series was. Maybe if they make the 6s sides less slippery it'll be better to wield. I'm one of those that doesn't use a case. Haven't since the 3G.
I never used a case, but bought the dark blue leather case at the same time I got my Silver 6. It looks great, and removes all concern about the phone slipping from my grip. And it's very slim and form-fitting, so doesn't appreciably add to the bulk of the phone. A couple months in and I look at it and think, it doesn't look that much bigger than my old 5, until I see it next to a 5 as in the picture in this article. It just seems like the perfect size phone now, and I was one of those reluctant upgrades based upon the sizes of the 6 and 6+. Not anymore. I'd never go back.
The 6 is just too big. When you have to double tap/ the home button to bring the icon's down from because the screen is too big for one handed use is silly. Its under the Accessibility category and rightfully so which I see as a flaw. The 5 and 5S are the perfect size. While the 6 and 6s are selling gangbusters to the masses, to get the android samsung big screen attention, they need not forget the 5S screen sizes that were still very popular and a lot of people have accustomed to.
I will hold onto my 5S to the bitter end.
You know what: Apple won't care. Their purpose is selling as many phone with highest margin as possible.
The 6 is just too big. When you have to double tap/ the home button to bring the icon's down from because the screen is too big for one handed use is silly. Its under the Accessibility category and rightfully so which I see as a flaw. The 5 and 5S are the perfect size. While the 6 and 6s are selling gangbusters to the masses, to get the android samsung big screen attention, they need not forget the 5S screen sizes that were still very popular and a lot of people have accustomed to.
I will hold onto my 5S to the bitter end.
Good luck with that. You'll conform soon enough.
Not going to happen. The market has spoken and they love the 4.7 inch phone. 4 inch is way too small for the majority of the world.
According to the analyst quoted in the article, the 5S sales remain strong. That is also the market speaking. In favor of a 4" one being available.
The 6 is just too big. When you have to double tap/ the home button to bring the icon's down from because the screen is too big for one handed use is silly. Its under the Accessibility category and rightfully so which I see as a flaw. The 5 and 5S are the perfect size. While the 6 and 6s are selling gangbusters to the masses, to get the android samsung big screen attention, they need not forget the 5S screen sizes that were still very popular and a lot of people have accustomed to.
I will hold onto my 5S to the bitter end.
I like my 5s, but sometimes a bigger screen would be nice. In my opinion, the vast majority of web sites are not designed with accessibility in mind.
For the vast majority of things one uses their iPhone for a tiny watch screen is useless. Unless you want to speak everything out loud via dictation, often not a good option in many situations, you reduce a very expensive iPhone and watch combo to much less functionality that exists now
I was just walking back to work carrying my lunch in one hand, and was checking my 5S with the other. Forget how tiny a watch screen would be, or the need to use Siri, it would be really difficult to navigate without both hands free. I suppose a clever use of Siri and your nose might get you around that, but why? There's a place for one-handed phone use, and the 5S is the last practical option for that at the moment.
I'm 50/50 on that. Based on history, Apple may just be okay to have 6S and 6 look exactly the same. Making plastic 6 may just cost extra on chassis design (antenna, compatible with curved glass edge...) vs just sell the 6 without tweaking manufacturing process. Remember, costs of BOM between polycarbon and aluminum are not that different.
who knows, Apple may just make 6S and 6S+ with kick ass specs to sell or minor tweak to external design to distinguish with older model such as: matching color of antenna, thinner antenna bands or gold ring of Touch ID...
It does cost of course to make the new design & tooling changes for a polycarbonate case for the iPhone 6 (10's of millions at a minimum, maybe 100's of millions even when just a case change given all the manufacturing tool & process changes). But having that clear delineation of the $99 model vs. the new metal models will mean millions more devices sold for $100 more. And those costs to make the change are in the "R&D line" of the income statement, while the improvements show up in the unit margins, which is a very closely watched figure.
Only Apple has the real data on that of course, but what we saw reported indicated it was instrumental in the up-sell to the 5s. Then there is the potential for cost savings (from manufacturing process, vs. raw material) of each "6c" as well.
No idea if Apple plans on doing that, but seems logical.
According to the analyst quoted in the article, the 5S sales remain strong. That is also the market speaking. In favor of a 4" one being available.
You meant according to "Ming Chi Kuo"? lol
Mac Mini - iMac (aka Air) - MacPro
MacBook (aka Mini) - MacBook Air - MacBook Pro
iPad Mini - iPadAir - iPad Pro (rumored to be coming within a year)
iPhone Mini (pre-iPhone6 size) - iPhone (aka Air) - iPhone Plus (aka Pro)
iPod Shuffle (aka Mini) - iPod Nano (aka Air) - iPod Touch (aka Pro)
Apple Watch Sport (aka Mini) - Apple Watch (aka Air) - Apple Watch Edition (aka Pro)
Quote:It does cost of course to make the new design & tooling changes for a polycarbonate case for the iPhone 6 (10's of millions at a minimum, maybe 100's of millions even when just a case change given all the manufacturing tool & process changes). But having that clear delineation of the $99 model vs. the new metal models will mean millions more devices sold for $100 more. And those costs to make the change are in the "R&D line" of the income statement, while the improvements show up in the unit margins, which is a very closely watched figure.
Only Apple has the real data on that of course, but what we saw reported indicated it was instrumental in the up-sell to the 5s. Then there is the potential for cost savings (from manufacturing process, vs. raw material) of each "6c" as well.
No idea if Apple plans on doing that, but seems logical.
iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S reminded you anything? They're idential and indistinguishable...Period. 4S sold to the roof and didn't get cannibalized by 4. We didn't see it then and we don't see it now.
Let's put it this way: iPhone 6S with A9 chip, 2GB of RAM, kickass camera, ForceTouch screen, gold ring Touch ID and 50% faster. Trust me, the sh.t will sell like hotcake...
I will hold onto my 5S to the bitter end.
I too like the smaller form-factor and have a 5s that I intended to upgrade this year. However... I don't expect to need NFC for another year (no Apple Pay in Europe) so it depends on any other new features in 2015's iPhones. Otherwise, the 5s brought in the big changes that matter to me (64-bit, fingerprint recognition) so ought to last another year quite well.
To me, the smaller size is a significant (I nearly said 'big') feature in its own right and one that the iPhone 6 (Plus) doesn't have.
There is a pattern that Apple has been moving towards across it's product lines:
Mac Mini - iMac (aka Air) - MacPro
MacBook (aka Mini) - MacBook Air - MacBook Pro
iPad Mini - iPadAir - iPad Pro (rumored to be coming within a year)
iPhone Mini (pre-iPhone6 size) - iPhone (aka Air) - iPhone Plus (aka Pro) <------------------------BullSh.t
iPod Shuffle (aka Mini) - iPod Nano (aka Air) - iPod Touch (aka Pro) <--------------------MoreSh.t
Apple Watch Sport (aka Mini) - Apple Watch (aka Air) - Apple Watch Edition (aka Pro)<--------------TremendousSh.t
Fixed that for you.
HIs analysis seems a bit weird. I agree 5c will go EOL, but I see a moderately updated 5s to include NFC for ApplePay to be almost guaranteed. Wouldn't be surprised if we see it at WWDC. It's an easy addition to an existing design, they want everyone to use ApplePay, and there's still apparently a market for a 4" phone. Based on all of those factors I'd imagine they want to take non-ApplePay phones out of circulation as soon as possible.
HIs analysis seems a bit weird. I agree 5c will go EOL, but I see a moderately updated 5s to include NFC for ApplePay to be almost guaranteed. Wouldn't be surprised if we see it at WWDC. It's an easy addition to an existing design, they want everyone to use ApplePay, and there's still apparently a market for a 4" phone. Based on all of those factors I'd imagine they want to take non-ApplePay phones out of circulation as soon as possible.
You guys just don't get it. It's not moderate update. It's entire resources allocated to do the update: redesign the board to accommodate NFC chip, implement the NFC antenna, R&D cost and manufacturing change. Apple don't and won't do that just for the sake of Apple Pay which barely available anywhere in the world but US. Also, Apple won't care about new 5S customers (mostly teenagers or grandparents) because those are unlikely to care about Apple Pay.
I will bet any price that there's no update on the phasing out 5S. It doesn't make any financial sense but just a wishful thinking of small number of people who couldn't get over 4" devices.
Apple will have lost one whole upgrade cycle out of me (I previously upgraded every 2 years on contract) I suspect there are a lot more like me. Unless Apple offers a compelling 4 inch phone (min 64gb plus NTC) I will stay with the 5 till it dies on me.
Was that not a record back then?
If someone went back to my earliest comments on here regarding the iPhone, it was that it was too big (in my opinion) at 3.5 inches. I wanted a smaller phone like the LG Dare I owned at the time.
I managed to move on to the "larger" iPhone and now own an iPhone 5S. However I really prefer the smaller sized phones. I absolutely am a one handed iPhone user and wish to remain that way. An updated 4 inch iPhone with ApplePay and whatever is next in camera optics would be great for me and I'd slap down my money for it. My wife has the iPhone 6 and I could easily have one as well. I just don't like the size.