Guh this is just painful to read. Everyone keeps saying oh but the ACA got rid of pre-existing conditions. I'm, yeah but guess what else would have? A simple bill that didn't overh the whole thing and make it demonstrably more expensive than it already was. Again, most of the things people like about the ACA could have EASILY passed as a single item. Pass a law that says they can't refuse a person because of pre-existing conditions and there us go, no overhaul needed it really IS that simple but they wanted to jack with the whole thing and try to pit the opponents against people who have cancer which is a completely false and idiotic choice.*shakes head*
Considering how incoherent your whole rant is, I wouldn't
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This coming from the guy that cannot answer a simple softball question on Iraq invasion after years of practice and with the best family connections to generate the perfect answer.
Anyway, the three main health related killers in the USA are heart disease, diabetes, and asthma. The top two are highly related to lifestyle choices: what you eat and how you exercise. The third is dependent on smoking and pollution. Maybe the answer to rising cost of healthcare is to charge more to those who choose a lifestyle that is slowly killing them. Then give a discount to the rest who make wiser choices. Seems to work for car insurance, you get better rates for good driving records. Many of car insurances offer accident forgiveness programs, so lapses in your lifestyle choices could similarly be covered. It is nice to see pre-existing conditions waived in ACA along with college aged children's coverage in parents plans. The two greatest changes that has impacted large populations.
In summary, you do not need a fancy fitness tracker to tell you to move more, eat less, and eat healthy.
The problem with your thing is that even if people had "perfect lifestyle" (which people only agree on in the broad stroke), they'd still die, and some would die young anyway. A bad lifestyle increases your risk, doesn't eliminate it. No, the answer is not that because it is unknowable in reality. If I eat a McD every week and eat saturated food and keep a normal weight because I exercise, I'd still die from a heart attack or get colon cancer because they ate too much prepared meat. Are you going to put trackers on people and have them wear body cameras to verify what they eat?
Might as well ban all prepared food including all alcohols, only allow fresh produce, whole wheat products and lean meats shipped in the appropriate portions for your sex, activity and weight, daily from a well controlled central location...
Sorry, my phone didn't correct some of the words I thought it did. Simply put - the stuff that people like about the ACA (no ban on pre-existing conditions for example) could have been achieved with a single piece of legislation that wouldn't have required the entire industry to be turned upside down (and, to boot, likely would have multi-party support.)
George W was and is vastly smarter and more intelligent than Obama. Nobody knows yet what Obama's school records were, it's obvious that they've been keeping them secret this whole time because Obama is not smart. Obama can barely speak a single sentence without stuttering, and he's highly reliant on numerous teleprompters whenever he speaks. A local TV newsperson is equally as qualified to carry out Obama's job as Obama is, and probably more so qualified, since they will have had more experience, and they probably do not stutter.
Obama's speeches have also been measured to be among the lowest ranking speeches among all US Presidents in decades. When communicating with his base, Obama's speeches can not be made too difficult for the base to comprehend, since his base is extremely unsophisticated and quite ignorant, the typical low information voter.
Obama's presidency has been a disastrous one, and it's time to correct and to fix all of the damage that he's done to this nation.
George W was and is vastly smarter and more intelligent than Obama. Nobody knows yet what Obama's school records were, it's obvious that they've been keeping them secret this whole time because Obama is not smart. Obama can barely speak a single sentence without stuttering, and he's highly reliant on numerous teleprompters whenever he speaks. A local TV newsperson is equally as qualified to carry out Obama's job as Obama is, and probably more so qualified, since they will have had more experience, and they probably do not stutter.
This is crap. Plenty of ignorant people can stand up in public and spout a load of nonsense without stuttering. In fact, I find many highly intelligent people generally have a harder time speaking in public because they tend to take more time to fully develop an idea before saying it. I really can't stand that most people will vote for someone who can speak loudly without pause even though the content of their thoughts is next to zero.
Prime example: I'm sure you guys have heard about our previous mayor here in Toronto, Rob Ford. Loudmouthed and arrogant, he could sure spew a continuous run of nonsense without stuttering. And a lot of people really bought into him because of that style of speaking. Certainly didn't make him intelligent by any measure.
Prime example: I'm sure you guys have heard about our previous mayor here in Toronto, Rob Ford. Loudmouthed and arrogant, he could sure spew a continuous run of nonsense without stuttering. And a lot of people really bought into him because of that style of speaking. Certainly didn't make him intelligent by any measure.
I'm pretty sure that the fat crackhead was a poor mayor because he was a crackhead, and that guy has always come off as a douchebag, so anybody who voted for him obviously likes douchebags.
I'm pretty sure that the fat crackhead was a poor mayor because he was a crackhead, and that guy has always come off as a douchebag, so anybody who voted for him obviously likes douchebags.
No argument from me there. But regardless, I think people should be more concerned with the content of a leader's speech rather than how it's being delivered. Ford's speeches were always aimed more at making the 5 second clip on the nightly news (loud with quotables) rather than giving a clear solution to anything. Unfortunately that seems to be all that people have an attention span for these days.
I do not care if people do not have health insurance! That's their problem!
Unfortunately if you have health insurance, it's your problem too. Who do you think pays ultimately for uninsured visits to the ER? As much as we like to think that we are our own island, we are not. This is why social services are more popular in the cities than the country side. It more apparent that we are all interrelated in our society and economy. What goes around comes around. From collapse of the real estate market to spread of diseases like Ebola. No insurance when you are sick?? That is their problem. Never mind that they may be spreading Ebola or some other disease and can't go into the doctor to get diagnosed until it's time to go to the ER and have infected countless people. That's right. Who cares. Right? Keep your hands off my wallet. Short sighted. But not surprising. So thankful we have a democracy which allows the creation of social rights. African Americans, women, child labor, gays, etc etc. it's their problem. Right?
Unfortunately if you have health insurance, it's your problem too. Who do you think pays ultimately for uninsured visits to the ER? As much as we like to think that we are our own island, we are not. This is why social services are more popular in the cities than the country side. It more apparent that we are all interrelated in our society and economy. What goes around comes around. From collapse of the real estate market to spread of diseases like Ebola. No insurance when you are sick?? That is their problem. Never mind that they may be spreading Ebola or some other disease and can't go into the doctor to get diagnosed until it's time to go to the ER and have infected countless people. That's right. Who cares. Right?
Ebola infected people should never be allowed to step foot into the country. That was another mistake made by the authorities during the recent ebola business that was happening.
Back to this island mentality. What about all the countless other infectious we have had. Heck even the common flu kills people every year. Kids and the elderly. We are all connected. No islands, sorry.
Back to this island mentality. What about all the countless other infectious we have had. Heck even the common flu kills people every year. Kids and the elderly. We are all connected. No islands, sorry.
A country without proper borders is not really a country, and a civilized modern nation can not just let all sorts of riff raff come across the borders.
Tens of millions of illegal anti-Americans should be disposed of immediately, and all border security should be tightened.
let me guess the next step, take all the US citizens who have infectious deceases without insurance and dump them over the border. Right? " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
And when that does not work we will send rockets to Mars to leave behind all sickly people on this planet and its resources that we have spent years exploiting to our own benefit without regard for anyone else (including ourselves) until we can no longer live on it anymore. Why? because its their problem.
I just want to know one thing. Will there be people willing to change my soiled sheets at the hotels on Mars and will they have insurance to treat themselves of all infectious deceases? Because you know... I don't want anyone infecting my bedding. Otherwise, I have to bring along my full body condom.
Bush is an idiot. All of them. Comparing payments for health needs with a device that is basically a tool for measuring and recording a number of health metrics is as silly as saying a thermometer is better for you than health insurance, or that vegetables make better decisions than politicians. Well, I guess that last one is actually correct in his case...
Obamacare is no better or worse "for me" than my old healthcare.... it's just MASSIVELY easier on my wallet! The fraction of my income going to healthcare was insane. Not anymore. The estimate on the gov't web site was way high as it turned out--my bill ended up lower, and benefits higher, than the estimate. And to think I saw the estimate and almost didn't bother applying.
I was also turned down for health care because I got a skull fracture in a mugging. I was insured at the time, and my skull was repaired well with no ongoing care needed. (The insurance company didn't even pay much of it, due to a high deductible.) But it's a "pre-existing condition" to one major insurer, and I was turned down the next year. That too can't happen anymore.
And now I can have an iOS device on my wrist?
We live in amazing times
All the anti types seem to totally ignore the major reasons for the Act, no more of the insurance companies' shenanigans such as caps (as in ... 'sorry you've had enough coverage, get out of hospital or sell your home) and refusal to cover you at all if you have ever had anything wrong as I did. I can only assume they have corporate coverage, those of us (you know the back bone of America who are self employed) were screwed at every turn before 2014.
How many of those other countries are republics with a constitution that expressly limits the powers of their Federal government?
"The four best legal arguments against Obamacare"
1. The individual mandate violates the original meaning of the Constitution.
2. The individual mandate rests on an unbounded and unprincipled assertion of Federal power.
3. The individual mandate cannot be justified under existing Supreme Court precedent.
4. The individual mandate threatens the foundations of contract law.
So, just to be clear because I simply don't understand, are you saying you are for insurance companies being able to dictate what you can and cannot be covered for and at what point you can either die or go bankrupt? I apologize if you are not saying such a ludicrous thing.
The two have nothing to do with each other. If he doesn't like the whole ACA then he needs to either pass laws requiring all employers to have health insurance for all employees,,socialize basic care or something of that nature
I support the full dismantling of Obamacare, immediately!
I do not care if people do not have health insurance! That's their problem!
And yes, an Apple Watch is better than Obamacare! Anything is better than Obamacare!
It's a good thing the rest of us are more compassionate than you are, or we might be pushing for those with your mental disorder to be put out of their misery.
[SIZE=4]Mr. Sandwich: The best legal arguments against The ACA have already been made in the SCOTUS and didn't sway the Chief Justice who joined the 4 "liberal" justices in refuting the arguments. Your side lost. The mandate is a tax. Taxes are legal. I'm sure you pay them. Why do you think you can relitigate this?[/SIZE]
A country without proper borders is not really a country, and a civilized modern nation can not just let all sorts of riff raff come across the borders.
Tens of millions of illegal anti-Americans should be disposed of immediately, and all border security should be tightened.
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A country without proper borders is not really a country, and a civilized modern nation can not just let all sorts of riff raff come across the borders.
Tens of millions of illegal anti-Americans should be disposed of immediately, and all border security should be tightened.
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Guh this is just painful to read. Everyone keeps saying oh but the ACA got rid of pre-existing conditions. I'm, yeah but guess what else would have? A simple bill that didn't overh the whole thing and make it demonstrably more expensive than it already was. Again, most of the things people like about the ACA could have EASILY passed as a single item. Pass a law that says they can't refuse a person because of pre-existing conditions and there us go, no overhaul needed it really IS that simple but they wanted to jack with the whole thing and try to pit the opponents against people who have cancer which is a completely false and idiotic choice.*shakes head*
Considering how incoherent your whole rant is, I wouldn't
This coming from the guy that cannot answer a simple softball question on Iraq invasion after years of practice and with the best family connections to generate the perfect answer.
Anyway, the three main health related killers in the USA are heart disease, diabetes, and asthma. The top two are highly related to lifestyle choices: what you eat and how you exercise. The third is dependent on smoking and pollution. Maybe the answer to rising cost of healthcare is to charge more to those who choose a lifestyle that is slowly killing them. Then give a discount to the rest who make wiser choices. Seems to work for car insurance, you get better rates for good driving records. Many of car insurances offer accident forgiveness programs, so lapses in your lifestyle choices could similarly be covered. It is nice to see pre-existing conditions waived in ACA along with college aged children's coverage in parents plans. The two greatest changes that has impacted large populations.
In summary, you do not need a fancy fitness tracker to tell you to move more, eat less, and eat healthy.
The problem with your thing is that even if people had "perfect lifestyle" (which people only agree on in the broad stroke), they'd still die, and some would die young anyway. A bad lifestyle increases your risk, doesn't eliminate it. No, the answer is not that because it is unknowable in reality. If I eat a McD every week and eat saturated food and keep a normal weight because I exercise, I'd still die from a heart attack or get colon cancer because they ate too much prepared meat. Are you going to put trackers on people and have them wear body cameras to verify what they eat?
Might as well ban all prepared food including all alcohols, only allow fresh produce, whole wheat products and lean meats shipped in the appropriate portions for your sex, activity and weight, daily from a well controlled central location...
I support the full dismantling of Obamacare, immediately!
I do not care if people do not have health insurance! That's their problem!
And yes, an Apple Watch is better than Obamacare! Anything is better than Obamacare!
Simply put - the stuff that people like about the ACA (no ban on pre-existing conditions for example) could have been achieved with a single piece of legislation that wouldn't have required the entire industry to be turned upside down (and, to boot, likely would have multi-party support.)
George W was obviously the smart brother.
George W was and is vastly smarter and more intelligent than Obama. Nobody knows yet what Obama's school records were, it's obvious that they've been keeping them secret this whole time because Obama is not smart. Obama can barely speak a single sentence without stuttering, and he's highly reliant on numerous teleprompters whenever he speaks. A local TV newsperson is equally as qualified to carry out Obama's job as Obama is, and probably more so qualified, since they will have had more experience, and they probably do not stutter.
Obama's speeches have also been measured to be among the lowest ranking speeches among all US Presidents in decades. When communicating with his base, Obama's speeches can not be made too difficult for the base to comprehend, since his base is extremely unsophisticated and quite ignorant, the typical low information voter.
Obama's presidency has been a disastrous one, and it's time to correct and to fix all of the damage that he's done to this nation.
George W was and is vastly smarter and more intelligent than Obama. Nobody knows yet what Obama's school records were, it's obvious that they've been keeping them secret this whole time because Obama is not smart. Obama can barely speak a single sentence without stuttering, and he's highly reliant on numerous teleprompters whenever he speaks. A local TV newsperson is equally as qualified to carry out Obama's job as Obama is, and probably more so qualified, since they will have had more experience, and they probably do not stutter.
This is crap. Plenty of ignorant people can stand up in public and spout a load of nonsense without stuttering. In fact, I find many highly intelligent people generally have a harder time speaking in public because they tend to take more time to fully develop an idea before saying it. I really can't stand that most people will vote for someone who can speak loudly without pause even though the content of their thoughts is next to zero.
Prime example: I'm sure you guys have heard about our previous mayor here in Toronto, Rob Ford. Loudmouthed and arrogant, he could sure spew a continuous run of nonsense without stuttering. And a lot of people really bought into him because of that style of speaking. Certainly didn't make him intelligent by any measure.
Prime example: I'm sure you guys have heard about our previous mayor here in Toronto, Rob Ford. Loudmouthed and arrogant, he could sure spew a continuous run of nonsense without stuttering. And a lot of people really bought into him because of that style of speaking. Certainly didn't make him intelligent by any measure.
I'm pretty sure that the fat crackhead was a poor mayor because he was a crackhead, and that guy has always come off as a douchebag, so anybody who voted for him obviously likes douchebags.
I'm pretty sure that the fat crackhead was a poor mayor because he was a crackhead, and that guy has always come off as a douchebag, so anybody who voted for him obviously likes douchebags.
No argument from me there. But regardless, I think people should be more concerned with the content of a leader's speech rather than how it's being delivered. Ford's speeches were always aimed more at making the 5 second clip on the nightly news (loud with quotables) rather than giving a clear solution to anything. Unfortunately that seems to be all that people have an attention span for these days.
Unfortunately if you have health insurance, it's your problem too. Who do you think pays ultimately for uninsured visits to the ER? As much as we like to think that we are our own island, we are not. This is why social services are more popular in the cities than the country side. It more apparent that we are all interrelated in our society and economy. What goes around comes around. From collapse of the real estate market to spread of diseases like Ebola. No insurance when you are sick?? That is their problem. Never mind that they may be spreading Ebola or some other disease and can't go into the doctor to get diagnosed until it's time to go to the ER and have infected countless people. That's right. Who cares. Right?
Ebola infected people should never be allowed to step foot into the country. That was another mistake made by the authorities during the recent ebola business that was happening.
Back to this island mentality. What about all the countless other infectious we have had. Heck even the common flu kills people every year. Kids and the elderly. We are all connected. No islands, sorry.
A country without proper borders is not really a country, and a civilized modern nation can not just let all sorts of riff raff come across the borders.
Tens of millions of illegal anti-Americans should be disposed of immediately, and all border security should be tightened.
let me guess the next step, take all the US citizens who have infectious deceases without insurance and dump them over the border. Right?
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
And when that does not work we will send rockets to Mars to leave behind all sickly people on this planet and its resources that we have spent years exploiting to our own benefit without regard for anyone else (including ourselves) until we can no longer live on it anymore. Why? because its their problem.
I just want to know one thing. Will there be people willing to change my soiled sheets at the hotels on Mars and will they have insurance to treat themselves of all infectious deceases? Because you know... I don't want anyone infecting my bedding. Otherwise, I have to bring along my full body condom.
All the anti types seem to totally ignore the major reasons for the Act, no more of the insurance companies' shenanigans such as caps (as in ... 'sorry you've had enough coverage, get out of hospital or sell your home) and refusal to cover you at all if you have ever had anything wrong as I did. I can only assume they have corporate coverage, those of us (you know the back bone of America who are self employed) were screwed at every turn before 2014.
Countries with Universal Healthcare
The US remains the only developed nation without it.
(...snip...)
How many of those other countries are republics with a constitution that expressly limits the powers of their Federal government?
"The four best legal arguments against Obamacare"
1. The individual mandate violates the original meaning of the Constitution.
2. The individual mandate rests on an unbounded and unprincipled assertion of Federal power.
3. The individual mandate cannot be justified under existing Supreme Court precedent.
4. The individual mandate threatens the foundations of contract law.
http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/24/4-best-legal-arguments-against-obamacare
So, just to be clear because I simply don't understand, are you saying you are for insurance companies being able to dictate what you can and cannot be covered for and at what point you can either die or go bankrupt? I apologize if you are not saying such a ludicrous thing.
I support the full dismantling of Obamacare, immediately!
I do not care if people do not have health insurance! That's their problem!
And yes, an Apple Watch is better than Obamacare! Anything is better than Obamacare!
It's a good thing the rest of us are more compassionate than you are, or we might be pushing for those with your mental disorder to be put out of their misery.
A country without proper borders is not really a country, and a civilized modern nation can not just let all sorts of riff raff come across the borders.
Tens of millions of illegal anti-Americans should be disposed of immediately, and all border security should be tightened.
A country without proper borders is not really a country, and a civilized modern nation can not just let all sorts of riff raff come across the borders.
Tens of millions of illegal anti-Americans should be disposed of immediately, and all border security should be tightened.
Like the riff-raff who came aboard the Mayflower.
Oh wait !