Apple gives Greek iCloud users 30 days free service in light of financial crisis

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  • Reply 101 of 169
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    Originally Posted by Crowley View Post

     

    <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> That is genuinely amazing.  Did you actually just try and imply (through "wondering") that socialism is responsible for rape in Sweden?


     

     

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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

    Most definitely. Europe's leftwing turncoats are responsible for their failed experiment called "multiculturalism", and these leftwing socialists and destroyers of western society are definitely responsible for the high rape rates in Sweden.


    Oh My God!! Are you really that stupid? This must be one of the most idiotic and hateful comments I have ever seen on AI. Please tell us that you are suffering from a congenital mental defect caused by multiple generations of inbreeding. That is the only explanation that could possibly mitigate the idiocy you have demonstrated on this forum. 

  • Reply 102 of 169
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
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    Originally Posted by ElectroTech View Post



    Pitiful! Why not extend it to every person in the world who is, or thinks they have financial problems? If you can't afford the luxuries of life, do without them. This is a great lesson for Greece and everyone who gets into credit card debt.

     

    The problem is not just money, is means to pay; currency is basically locked inside the country.

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    My history of the era isn't too good but didn't Greece vote along with other countries to allow Germany's debit to be written off after WWII? This after Greece was brutalized beyond belief by the Germans too. Somewhat of a worse offense than 'having financial problems' when you think about it.



    That along with Marshall Plan, $120 Billion in today's money, from the USA got Germany going again. Sometimes helping out works quite well in the long run. If not for those actions of help, Germany would be an impoverished nation probably begging for a hand out today. That or they'd have started WWIII by now.

     

    The difference is GREEKS DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT REFORMS.

    They already got a debt reduction and huge loan package before.

    Why loan more, cut more debt, when there is not one inkling of effort to make your country competitive.

     

    Some people say their net balance is now positive... (sic); only using very creative accounting...

     

    If they'd actually started reforms like they promised 5 years ago; the ECB and others would probably advance money no question.

    They got money and did nothing; see the problem.

    There is a massive credibility gap here.

    The current government likes to say lot of crap, but in the end,

    when in 5 years they need more money, he'll come running back with another sob story

    pointing fingers (the middle one...) and looking for more cash.

    You can bank on it.

     

    I always find it funny when I hear creditor this, creditor that; well the creditor right now are the Euro countries and those countries have democratically elected governments whose electors are starting to be pretty pissed off. Why? Greece did no substantial reform.

    So, you think those "evil creditors"/people of the EU, should just say, what the hell, its just another $500, I can spare that!

     

    Wouldn't that money be better spent helping poor people in Syria, Africa, Asia, or whatever? What makes Greeks so special!

     

    As for Germany being impoverished. I don't think so.

    Its Geography, education, work ethic, culture, made it probable it would rise again.

    Not to mention Geopolitics of the time and that Germany, unlike Greece, is consequential (then and now).

    IT would have just taken 20 years instead of 8.

     

    The only thing that could have made them truly empoverished for 40 years is if they'd dismanteled all of German industry as reparation for war losses (like some in the US wanted). Even then, I'd still would have bet on Germany to come out better than Greece.

     

    One thing you also forgot. The reason the US invested in Germany... The Cold war. They wanted a strong Germany in the center of Europe in the face of the USSR. That kind of factors doesn't really exists anymore. The US didn't do all that giving from the bottom of their heart, it was in their best interest strategically to do it.

  • Reply 103 of 169
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 8,739member
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    Originally Posted by spock1234 View Post

     

    Oh My God!! Are you really that stupid? This must be one of the most idiotic and hateful comments I have ever seen on AI. Please tell us that you are suffering from a congenital mental defect caused by multiple generations of inbreeding. That is the only explanation that could possibly mitigate the idiocy you have demonstrated on this forum. 


     

    Before embarrassing yourself further and displaying any more of your child like ignorance, I suggest that you educate yourself before replying to me.

     

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

  • Reply 104 of 169
    sphericspheric Posts: 1,798member
    spock1234 wrote: »
    Lastly, the comment about ‘which country landed not the moon’ is absurd. We got to the moon only because we imported Nazi rocket-scientists and gave them amnesty in return for helping our rocket program. If the Russians had ‘bought’ these Nazi scientists, they would have landed on the moon instead of us. The only thing we can proud of is our government's willingness to sell out our principles in return for some Nazi technology. All while lecturing the rest of the world on morality.

    In fact, the Soviets very nearly DID land on the moon about two weeks ahead of Apollo 11, but a catastrophic failure of the N1 rocket destroyed the launch pad and delayed the whole program by at least two years, which ultimately resulted in cancellation, since the moon landings were purely political and nobody in charge actually cared about the science much.
  • Reply 105 of 169
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 1,013member
    You as a person owe 140k dollars in US debt, where the average Greek only owes 35k.

    Yes, but the economic output of an individual Greek is half what an American is, so the numbers arent as far apart as you think.

    It's the socialist ideals that aren't working, as usual. It never does work. The comparisons to the Nordic countries aren't really fair; Swedes don't retire in their late 40s, they produce double the amount per capita, and they have a strong export market, all unlike Greece. In a nutshell, Swedes aren't lazy. Massive tax evasion in Greece has been ignored for years, despite it being something the Greeks agreed to reduce when they got their first bailout. But that wasn't all they agreed, there were many more terms they had to comply with, but they ignored them when the money arrived in the government's account. Why should the creditors trust the Greeks to carry out the reforms they already agreed to and failed to carry out in the past? Why should the rest of Europe pay for Greek laziness and ignorance?

    Regarding debt restructuring, if Greece does get a debt cut, other countries like Spain, Italy and Portugal will want to follow suit. Denying them a cut also would be unfair, granting them a cut would be impossible for the creditors to afford, cascading bankruptcy would occur and recession would set in.

    If Greece goes bankrupt and stays in the Euro, again the other heavily indebted nations will just say "well they got no repercussions, we'll follow suit", resulting in another EU recession.

    The Euro was a bad idea from the start. One misbehaving state causes massive issues, and the value of a country's currency can't change to help their situation. If Greece had the Drachma, the value would plummet and it would be incredibly cheap to buy Greek produce and tourists would have cheap holidays. Money would pour into Greece and its economy would improve. That can't happen with the Euro in place.
  • Reply 106 of 169
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    "Multiculturalism" is a bad idea whether you think the politically incorrect admission of that is "hateful" or not.

    Please re-read his comment and then read mine. It has nothing to do with 'multiculturalism' or being politically correct. I was pointing out that his statement (that he doubled-down on) that socialism directly causes rape is idiotic beyond belief and is likely driven by a blind, ignorance-fueled hate of anything not 'Capitalist'. 

     

    It is one thing to have a forum where people are allowed to express them selves freely, but it is something else entirely to go on extended off-topic rants about various political or religious issues on an Apple related forum. This is Apple Insider, not Retarded Religious/Political Nut-Job Insider.

  • Reply 107 of 169
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,745member
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    "Multiculturalism" is a bad idea whether you think the politically incorrect admission of that is "hateful" or not.

     

     

    We've had it up here (Canada) since forever, and as part of policy since the 70s. 

     

    We've been doing just fine by it. 

  • Reply 108 of 169
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,745member

    And the Canadian economy is mixed, a combination of capitalism and "socialism."

     

    We do well enough with it.

     

    Social programs and socially-minded policy is essential for the collective good. 

  • Reply 109 of 169
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Originally Posted by Crowley View Post

    That is genuinely amazing.  Did you actually just try and imply (through "wondering") that socialism is responsible for rape in Sweden?


     

    Given that it’s the socialists’ immigration system that allowed for it, yes.

     

    you're completely and utterly wrong, as usual.


     

    Given that that hasn’t ever been the case when you said so, I’m glad you accept my points as accurate.

  • Reply 110 of 169

    Originally Posted by Crowley View Post

    That is genuinely amazing.  Did you actually just try and imply (through "wondering") that socialism is responsible for rape in Sweden?



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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Given that it’s the socialists’ immigration system that allowed for it, yes.


     

    According to your logic, Capitalism is responsible for all crimes committed in this country. You know ... given that it was the capitalist system that outsourced all the manufacturing jobs, causing mass unemployment and driving the jobless poverty-stricken people to a life of crime. Since you genuinely believe in this line of reasoning, you should personally arrest every CEO/Capitalist and hold them responsible for all the rapes and murders in this country. Don't worry I'll be right behind you to lend a hand.

  • Reply 111 of 169
    spock1234 wrote: »
    According to your logic, Capitalism is responsible for all crimes committed in this country. You know ... given that it was the capitalist system that outsourced all the manufacturing jobs, causing mass unemployment and driving the jobless poverty-stricken people to a life of crime. Since you genuinely believe in this line of reasoning, you should personally arrest every CEO/Capitalist and hold them responsible for all the rapes and murders in this country. Don't worry I'll be right behind you to lend a hand.

    We haven't practiced true capitalism for some time, so claims it has "failed' are baseless, as are claims it is "responsible" for the current situation.

    People also forget that The Wealth of Nations was not Adam Smith's only work; there are three companion volumes on morals needed for capitalism to work. Given that an increasing percentage of the American people no longer even understand the concept of morals, it's hardly surprising things are breaking down all around us.
  • Reply 112 of 169
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 31,491member
    quadra 610 wrote: »
    And the Canadian economy is mixed, a combination of capitalism and "socialism."

    We do well enough with it.

    Social programs and socially-minded policy is essential for the collective good. 

    What was the reasoning behind the widespread inner-city riots in Canada last year(?)....

    Addendum (it was in 2012): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Riots_and_civil_disorder_in_Canada
  • Reply 113 of 169
    sphericspheric Posts: 1,798member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    Before embarrassing yourself further and displaying any more of your child like ignorance, I suggest that you educate yourself before replying to me.

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

    Wow. That site is...insidious.

    You do realise that it's entirely editorialising, right?

    They're construing a correlation and simply claiming that it was immigration, and putting off all other explanations as desperate counter-arguments from the left.

    Just like you are.

    But they're not providing any argument for WHY their line of thought might be true, other than the old fallacy that correlation must mean causation.
  • Reply 114 of 169
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Originally Posted by spock1234 View Post

    ...given that it was the capitalist system that outsourced all the manufacturing jobs, causing mass unemployment and driving the jobless poverty-stricken people to a life of crime.


     

    Nope, that would be the socialist practices put into place in the last 70 years. You might want to try educating yourself on a topic before speaking on it.

  • Reply 115 of 169
    lightknightlightknight Posts: 2,312member
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    Originally Posted by Elijahg View Post





    Yes, but the economic output of an individual Greek is half what an American is, so the numbers arent as far apart as you think.


    It's the socialist ideals that aren't working, as usual. It never does work. The comparisons to the Nordic countries aren't really fair; Swedes don't retire in their late 40s, they produce double the amount per capita, and they have a strong export market, all unlike Greece. In a nutshell, Swedes aren't lazy. Massive tax evasion in Greece has been ignored for years, despite it being something the Greeks agreed to reduce when they got their first bailout. But that wasn't all they agreed, there were many more terms they had to comply with, but they ignored them when the money arrived in the government's account. Why should the creditors trust the Greeks to carry out the reforms they already agreed to and failed to carry out in the past? Why should the rest of Europe pay for Greek laziness and ignorance?



    Regarding debt restructuring, if Greece does get a debt cut, other countries like Spain, Italy and Portugal will want to follow suit. Denying them a cut also would be unfair, granting them a cut would be impossible for the creditors to afford, cascading bankruptcy would occur and recession would set in.



    If Greece goes bankrupt and stays in the Euro, again the other heavily indebted nations will just say "well they got no repercussions, we'll follow suit", resulting in another EU recession.



    The Euro was a bad idea from the start. One misbehaving state causes massive issues, and the value of a country's currency can't change to help their situation. If Greece had the Drachma, the value would plummet and it would be incredibly cheap to buy Greek produce and tourists would have cheap holidays. Money would pour into Greece and its economy would improve. That can't happen with the Euro in place.

     

    The amount of debatable in this post is awesomely huge.

     

    Why would the economic output of a Greek be lower than that of an American? Are they genetically inferior or something? Or maybe God said so? As the old man's example (see above) shows, the Greek are part of the reason of Germany's current enjoyable success.

     

    The tax evasion in Greece is high indeed, but have you looked at the tax evasion rates in the rest of Europe, especially illegal tax evasion (the subject of tax evasion through self-tailored rules, regulations and laws is a huge subject in itself, but a complex one that has no place in that thread)? Suffice to say that on top of that, Reaganism has brought a terrible scourge to the world in reducing massively the tax on the rich and companies, at the cost of government revenues, and that includes Greece. It still remains to be demonstrated this had any kind of positive effect on the economy, while evidence to the contrary piles sky-high.

     

    When it comes to the Euro being a bad idea because of multiple states.... Yes, you're right. North Dakota, Alabama, and that plagued-by-earthquakes-and-electrical-blackouts state, California, should each have their own currency. I look forward to owning New York City Dollars.

  • Reply 116 of 169
    lightknightlightknight Posts: 2,312member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Nope, that would be the socialist practices put into place in the last 70 years. You might want to try educating yourself on a topic before speaking on it.




    Actually, that would be the right-wing practices and flawed ideology that really took hold with Reagan in the early eighties, torpedoing socialist systems in Europe with a quasi-religious fervour and complex financial and political instruments. It also combines with an American "every man for himself" ideology, strongly inspired by Randian thinking.

    Part of the issue here is that America, an hyper power with both economic, financial, and military force far above most other countries, has been imposing its culture to the rest of the world, with the idea that others "might want to educate themselves first", totally ignoring the fact that they themselves might be lacking a few pointers (to be really nice about it).

     

    Also, I'm very curious what makes you think I'm not educated, instead of you maybe having a few elements in your obviously large cultural and economic training that need a bit of a refresh...

  • Reply 117 of 169
    lightknightlightknight Posts: 2,312member
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    Originally Posted by spheric View Post





    Wow. That site is...insidious.



    You do realise that it's entirely editorialising, right?



    They're construing a correlation and simply claiming that it was immigration, and putting off all other explanations as desperate counter-arguments from the left.



    Just like you are.



    But they're not providing any argument for WHY their line of thought might be true, other than the old fallacy that correlation must mean causation.



    Well, it is a group with an obvious and clear agenda. The persons having created it, the people funding it financially, the scientific credentials (or lack thereof), the speakers invited... that paints a clear picture about their reliability. This is not to say they never say anything worthy of being checked, but caution seems to be very much in order.

     

    Also, what's with people calling others uneducated and childish today?

  • Reply 118 of 169
    crowleycrowley Posts: 6,056member
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    Originally Posted by Elijahg View Post



    In the UK Labour have finally admitted it's a bad idea, we're importing violent people from abroad to satisfy the socialist, politically correct ideology that we should have a mixture of cultures. Only thing is, these foreign (predominantly Muslim) cultures are completely incompatible with Western ideals. When was the last time you saw a Muslim on a pro-Western (or anti-ISIS) march? If they're truly anti Muslim terrorist group, why are they so silent in denouncing them? They should be first in line disassociating themselves, but they aren't, why?

    When was the last time you saw much of a pro-Western or anti-ISIS march period?  I don't think ISIS are paying much attention to marches, so there's no real point in them.  Have you been on an anti-white supremacist march recently?

     

    Also, despite that: http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/muslims-against-isis-bring-the-protests-fox-news-says-dont-exist/

  • Reply 119 of 169
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,745member
    What was the reasoning behind the widespread inner-city riots in Canada last year(?)....

    Addendum (it was in 2012): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Riots_and_civil_disorder_in_Canada

    I could barely recall this one.

    It was about tuition fee increases in Quebec, "from $2,168 to $3,793 between 2012 and 2018."

    Those figures are per year. Yes, PER YEAR.

    Sometimes we forget just how low our tuition is for a first-class education.
  • Reply 120 of 169
    crowleycrowley Posts: 6,056member

    ^ Also, weren't they mainly just protests, with a handful of escalation incidents, all within Quebec?  Hardly "widespread inner-city riots".

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