KGI: Force Touch won't be enough to drive 'iPhone 6s' upgrades, could mean negative iPhone growth

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  • Reply 41 of 92
    roakeroake Posts: 811member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jkichline View Post

     

    Seriously? Force Touch would freaking rock and give me some phone envy as new apps come out that add physical texture to the UI.




    What does Force Touch have to do with physical textures?

  • Reply 42 of 92
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,560member
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    Originally Posted by Roake View Post

     



    What does Touch Force have to do with physical textures?




    He's mixing up Force Touch and the Taptic engine. 

  • Reply 43 of 92
    icoco3icoco3 Posts: 1,474member
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post



    Clearly Kuo is out of the loop now and desperately grasping at straws.

     

    The analyst has nailed the jello to the wall...

  • Reply 44 of 92
    jkichline wrote: »
    Seriously? Force Touch would freaking rock and give me some phone envy as new apps come out that add physical texture to the UI.

    Here's a Apple Watch app that illustrates one use of force touch ...

    Consider, you're in the line at a DriveThu -- In-N-Out shown here. You:
    1. scroll the list of menu items to show those you want
    2. tap the description to increment the quantity shown on the left
    3. tap the quantity to decrement it
    4. rinse and repeat, a running total is shown at the top
    700

    Then, when done, you force-touch to bring up the second screen to:
    1. place the order
    2. clear all items
    3. resume
    700


    This works amazingly well on the small screen of the Apple Watch.


    I have a version of the app that runs on the iPhone and uses Long-Press instead of Force-Touch.

    Long-Press is inferior, in that it is less-precise (may not work at all) and takes longer to recognize -- to the point that it is clumsy to unusable.
  • Reply 45 of 92
    qvakqvak Posts: 86member
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    Originally Posted by spheric View Post

     



    Having actually grown up in different cultures (spent fifteen years of my life abroad, not on military bases), I'm not sure I'm less qualified to judge when somebody's being an asshole than you are. 


     

    baaaaaw some leftist called me an asshole. Get back to me when you find out about the effects of "diversity" in sweden first hand like I did.

  • Reply 46 of 92
    qvakqvak Posts: 86member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post





    Here's a Apple Watch app that illustrates one use of force touch ...



    Consider, you're in the line at a DriveThu -- In-N-Out shown here. You:

    1. scroll the list of menu items to show those you want

    2. tap the description to increment the quantity shown on the left

    3. tap the quantity to decrement it

    4. rinse and repeat, a running total is shown at the top

    5.  





    Then, when done, you force-touch to bring up the second screen to:

    1. place the order

    2. clear all items

    3. resume

    4.  







    This works amazingly well on the small screen of the Apple Watch.





    I have a version of the app that runs on the iPhone and uses Long-Press instead of Force-Touch.



    Long-Press is inferior, in that it is less-precise (may not work at all) and takes longer to recognize -- to the point that it is clumsy to unusable.

     

    Honestly could not differentiate lp and ft in normal use on the watch. I think I have a tendency to press hard when doing a long press so the two didn;t feel any different. They maybe should add a tiny amount of haptic feedback when a successful porce touch is registered.

  • Reply 47 of 92
    icoco3icoco3 Posts: 1,474member

    Bring your food, acclimate to my culture, we be good.

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    Originally Posted by qvak View Post

     

     

    baaaaaw some leftist called me an asshole. Get back to me when you find out about the effects of "diversity" in sweden first hand like I did.


     

    The one place that diversity has worked the best is....food. <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />  Not negating the concept of diversity just pointing out the best example where it worked well.  Bring your food, acclimate to my culture, we be good.

  • Reply 48 of 92
    icoco3icoco3 Posts: 1,474member

    duplicate

  • Reply 49 of 92
    qvakqvak Posts: 86member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by icoco3 View Post

     

    Bring your food, acclimate to my culture, we be good.

    127

     

    The one place that diversity has worked the best is....food. <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />  Not negating the concept of diversity just pointing out the best example where it worked well.  Bring your food, acclimate to my culture, we be good.


     

    That's what your typical leftish SWPL believes. diversity is good because now we have all these different restaurants.

     

    There is an idea of a functional multicultural society and that involves enclaves all cooperating for the good of the nation, but this forced assimilation of culturally incompatible people and the absolute refusal of socialist leftists to enforce the rule of law regardless of skin color guarantees degeneracy.

  • Reply 50 of 92
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,063member
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    Originally Posted by Elijahg View Post



    Ming Ching Chong throwing shit and seeing what sticks as usual. Why does anyone listen to him at all? (And why does AI persistently repost) Just because he hasn't heard of anything other than Force Touch (which is also a rumour and may not happen) doesn't mean Force Touch is the only thing. What an utter idiot.

    Here's a project for a journalist at AI: get a list of a couple of their top cited analyist/insiders. Actually for some comparison on their "predictions" to later reality. Yes, hindsight is always 20-50, but you could do some math and statistics. Compare it based on time in advance of a release. Might lend some credibility to the reporting. That is if you can spare some time away from playing with a new drone.

  • Reply 51 of 92
    brucemcbrucemc Posts: 1,541member
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    Originally Posted by BadMonk View Post

    I don't think average consumers work this way...most people I know buy Apple products because they are sick of the Android/Windows status quo or they are part of the cult. Most people upgrade their iPhones every two to fours years (tops). They, for the most part, won't go back to Android once they taste the forbidden fruit.

    ...

    As an example, I think most people who bought the 5S were not aware of what TouchID was about but they bought anyway. And he forgot to mention 64 bit processing so even he doesn't fit his example.

    ...

    Many factors to be looked at, which at least this article doesn't indicate Kuo included in report.  Only a small number upgrade to latest model every year.  Most hold for 2 and sometimes 3 years.  They then upgrade to whatever is the latest at the time.  I know many people who love their iPhones, but don't really know much about the specific features which change from year-to-year.

     

    Still a substantial number of installed base yet to upgrade to 6 series, and of course those that would switch to a 6/6+ in October will switch in many cases to a 6s/6s+.  

     

    Finally, without knowing what the phone will include, it is pretty daft to say that Force Touch and everything else are minor, and will themselves not drive any incremental year-on-year upgrades.

  • Reply 52 of 92
    eightzero wrote: »
    Here's a project for a journalist at AI: get a list of a couple of their top cited analyist/insiders. Actually for some comparison on their "predictions" to later reality. Yes, hindsight is always 20-50, but you could do some math and statistics. Compare it based on time in advance of a release. Might lend some credibility to the reporting. That is if you can spare some time away from playing with a new drone.

    Phillip Elmer DeWitt already does this.
  • Reply 53 of 92
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,560member
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    Originally Posted by qvak View Post

     

     

    baaaaaw some leftist called me an asshole. Get back to me when you find out about the effects of "diversity" in sweden first hand like I did.




    No, I did not call you an asshole at all. 

     

    And your personal view of multiculturalism in Sweden has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with somebody using a "Ching Chong" slur to deride a Chinese analyst. 

  • Reply 54 of 92
    qvak wrote: »

    Honestly could not differentiate lp and ft in normal use on the watch. I think I have a tendency to press hard when doing a long press so the two didn;t feel any different. They maybe should add a tiny amount of haptic feedback when a successful porce touch is registered.

    I'm away from my computer so I can't check. But, I think you're not able to use long press on the watch .

    Long press on the phone performs poorly.
  • Reply 55 of 92
    -iOS 9
    -A9 processor
    -Possible announcement on 9-9

    Everything's coming up nines.

    I'd thought it would be funny if Apple called it the iPhone 9.
  • Reply 56 of 92
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,384member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lord Amhran View Post





    Grow a pair and leave your sensitivity at the door

     

    "Grow a pair"? Cause it takes "balls" to be an anonymous racist on the internet, right? (Your post history makes it clear you fall in this category, which is why you felt the need to come to this poster's immediate defence. You can always tell the bigots/racists by the way they come to the defence of others in their camp).

     

    You're pathetic. 

  • Reply 57 of 92
    b9botb9bot Posts: 238member



    Bla,bla,bla, they always say stuff like this every year. And what happens is Apple has record sales for the quarter.

  • Reply 58 of 92
    qvak wrote: »
    You should ask yourself the same question. Maybe you need some more "cultural enrichment" before you can understand.

    For the under 40 crowd who grew up in culturally sensitive times..... Diversity divides.....that is unspoken reality of Homo sapiens.

    Back on topic....unfortunately for investors apple is destined to be valued like a utility
  • Reply 59 of 92
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,054member
    I'd thought it would be funny if Apple called it the iPhone 9.
    or $99 phone: iPhone 6c
  • Reply 60 of 92
    So the yet-to-be-released iPhone 6s (6+s or whatever it's called) lacks a "Killer App" and thus Kuo concludes won't sell as many units as the previous generation?

    If Kuo had any credibility left this just did away with it.

    Kuo has some visibility into Apple's supply chain, but that only informs him of the hardware. Force Touch, if truly and deeply integrated into iOS at launch may offer new capabilities and create new user habits that will quickly make it essential. That is going to be up to the software developers, and Kuo has no track record of leaking unannounced software changes (did he leak Swift? 64-bit iOS 7?). As a result, he's judging it with an incomplete perspective, as a hardware thing.
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