My most respected security guy is Steve Gibson. He hosts a podcast called SecurityNow with Leo Laporte and if you go here https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm and scroll down the episode #506 called Law Enforcement Backdoors you can hear a good explanation on why this is unworkable.
Let me think, oh yes, it was the US government whose systems got hacked and tens of thousands of government workers had their personal and employment records released into the wild thanks to their weak security. Perhaps they need to shut up and learn something from the companies that know what they are doing.
Anytime you hear the government start saying things like "think of the children" and "this is for the good of the American people" then we're all about to lose some rights and freedoms. The government is seriously getting out of control and all you liberal idiots that want big government and more regulation can go jump off a cliff because you are literally destroying the principles this country was founded on. "Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one." Benjamin Franklin
Liberals believe in the right to privacy, but also in regulating industry to avoid things like 6 month long oil spills, poison in our food, and monopolies. Conservatives believe in all-powerful "unitary executive " presidents.
This is snoop zeal at its finest, where those who actually care nothing about the public they claim to be protecting want to compromise the actual security we do have. The reality is that iOS makes your family safe, through solid encryption. The snoops who perpetually try to invade our lives would create holes in what little security we have left, and thereby allow hackers and outright criminals to peer into our lives, learn the sex and ages of our children, steal from our accounts, and sell our information to world-wide bidders. People who want access to your information are NOT protecting you.
They can certainly catch more criminals if they put spy cameras in every home and car, eavesdrop on every phone conversation and electronic communication, have backdoors into everything "smart," and eliminate the need for search warrants. If you don't agree with this then you must be anti-children or even a child molester, terrorist, or murderer. If you aren't in one of these categories then you have nothing to worry about.
If you want the government to know everything you are doing just use a M$ product.
It looks like Windows 10 is following Android's lead in sucking as much of your personal data as possible. Makes me think twice about upgrading my home PC (on Win7).
I realize I may be exaggerating the actual concern, but I feel once you've bought into Win10, who's to say MS will step up the data mining later on down the road? Remember how Facebook quietly changed their privacy settings? Or "accidentally" reset some settings?
Their argument is changing as one would expect, They are claiming they can not even use legal means to get at your data
[QUOTE]"we are talking about the ability to unlock phones pursuant to lawful, transparent judicial orders."[/QUOTE]
This is true, if your data is encrypted today, court can not demand that you turn over the data, they have no legal way to get to the encrypted data since Apple closed the method to unencrypted it. However, what the government is not sharing this is also true for any encryption software you may use on your computer files today.
The issue prosecuters have, there is no legal way to compel you to unencrypted your data, why, becuase you have a right not to self incriminate. But if they can find another method to get at your data they can legally compel others to do so.
It is like the criminal who has incrimating information buried in the woods, if the police know it exist but does not know where it is, they can not force you to tell them where to look. The encryted data on your phone is like the incriminating infromation in the woods police know the information exists but having no way of knowning how to get at it. Now you can see why they are frustrated.
Perhaps these public servants, employed by the public should make their phones available unencrypted to whoever asks, after all as their employers we have the right to know that everything is above board.
Think of the children, paedophiles come from all walks of life, including police and the judiciary.
Then there are murderers, American police seem to have a high propensity for murdering people over minor infractions.
And for that matter... How are we supposed to see domestic abuse, child abuse, animal abuse, illegal behaviors, terrorist activities and planning occurring inside homes if we can't see through the walls?! We can make the clear walls very thick so it is structurally sound. And don't worry, we can't hear anything you are saying, its not like we're sound-bugging the house you will still have privacy, but it needs to be within clear walls! Only so we can just see everything inside, nothing more, and we'll tell everyone else not to look, only we will look... We promise... /s
These people are amazing they can kiss my a$$. Do your job and catch criminals with the tools you have, don't compromise my privacy and my rights under the constitution with this backdoor crap. Get a court order and force the criminal to unlock his phone and show you the files or put his ass in prison until he does. The only reason for these whiners to complain is that they want to collect data like the NSA on everyone and everything, even when it is illegal to spy on your own citizens without a court order. This reeks of fascism.
It looks like Windows 10 is following Android's lead in sucking as much of your personal data as possible. Makes me think twice about upgrading my home PC (on Win7).
I realize I may be exaggerating the actual concern, but I feel once you've bought into Win10, who's to say MS will step up the data mining later on down the road? Remember how Facebook quietly changed their privacy settings? Or "accidentally" reset some settings?
This isn't about law enforcement, it's about the right to privacy and an unwillingness to trust government agencies to protect the rights of ordinary citizens. If you want to see a track record of how well the government can be trusted with personal information take a look at the process that was used by the US government to illegally imprison US citizens of Japanese decent during WWII. The US Census Bureau conspired with authorities to identify the names and locations of people of Japanese decent that were subsequently forced out of their homes and locked up in forced internment camps during the war. Second and third generation US born citizens who happened to be descendants from Japanese immigrants were imprisoned with full US government consent. The admission of guilt and monetary reparations that took place decades later do not forgive the crime. One of the jobs of a democracy is to ensuring that there are checks and balances to reduce the probability of mass hysteria leading to global stupidity. As tough as it is to stomach the thought of bad actors hiding the traces of their heinous infractions using modern encryption technology it is far worse to give up basic human rights and violate the core beliefs that prevent an oppressive government and law enforcement from subjugating its citizens.
These people need to be reminded every now and then that they are government servants - they work for us, and we are telling them "no way."
This isn't about law enforcement, it's about the right to privacy and an unwillingness to trust government agencies to protect the rights of ordinary citizens. If you want to see a track record of how well the government can be trusted with personal information take a look at the process that was used by the US government to illegally imprison US citizens of Japanese decent during WWII. The US Census Bureau conspired with authorities to identify the names and locations of people of Japanese decent that were subsequently forced out of their homes and locked up in forced internment camps during the war. Second and third generation US born citizens who happened to be descendants from Japanese immigrants were imprisoned with full US government consent. The admission of guilt and monetary reparations that took place decades later do not forgive the crime. One of the jobs of a democracy is to ensuring that there are checks and balances to reduce the probability of mass hysteria leading to global stupidity. As tough as it is to stomach the thought of bad actors hiding the traces of their heinous infractions using modern encryption technology it is far worse to give up basic human rights and violate the core beliefs that prevent an oppressive government and law enforcement from subjugating its citizens.
These people need to be reminded every now and then that they are government servants - they work for us, and we are telling them "no way."
It's about the Fourth Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
I always thought that Governments should be afraid of their people.
Who else thinks this is just a plausibility ploy? That the NSA already have the encryption cracked (especially from the NSA data collection agency formerly known as Google) and are just spreading a false sense of security among the bad guys?
How are we supposed to see domestic abuse, child abuse, animal abuse, illegal behaviors, terrorist activities and planning occurring inside homes if we can't see through the walls?! We can make the clear walls very thick so it is structurally sound. And don't worry, we can't hear anything you are saying, its not like we're sound-bugging the house you will still have privacy, but it needs to be within clear walls! Only so we can just see everything inside, nothing more, and we'll tell everyone else not to look, only we will look... We promise... /s
If you use drapes and walls and lock your doors, you're for the pedophiles, terrorists, murderers and kinky people..... We should all live in glass houses, it's for the children!
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My most respected security guy is Steve Gibson. He hosts a podcast called SecurityNow with Leo Laporte and if you go here https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm and scroll down the episode #506 called Law Enforcement Backdoors you can hear a good explanation on why this is unworkable.
Let me think, oh yes, it was the US government whose systems got hacked and tens of thousands of government workers had their personal and employment records released into the wild thanks to their weak security. Perhaps they need to shut up and learn something from the companies that know what they are doing.
Not the same context.
Liberals believe in the right to privacy, but also in regulating industry to avoid things like 6 month long oil spills, poison in our food, and monopolies. Conservatives believe in all-powerful "unitary executive " presidents.
The reality is that iOS makes your family safe, through solid encryption. The snoops who perpetually try to invade our lives would create holes in what little security we have left, and thereby allow hackers and outright criminals to peer into our lives, learn the sex and ages of our children, steal from our accounts, and sell our information to world-wide bidders.
People who want access to your information are NOT protecting you.
Because we can always trust the government to never abuse power/authority/secrets, tell us the truth, and always keep secrets perfectly safe:
Obama Was Wrong: NSA Employees Have Deliberately "Abused" Their Power
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/08/23/bloomberg_report_nsa_employees_have_deliberately_abused_their_power.html
NSA employee spied on nine women without detection, internal file shows
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/27/nsa-employee-spied-detection-internal-memo
More Surveillance Abuse Exposed! Special DEA Unit Is Spying On Americans And Covering It Up
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/08/05/more-surveillance-abuse-exposed-special-dea-unit-is-spying-on-americans-and-covering-it-up/
CIA Accused of Spying on Senate Overseers
http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/cia-accused-of-spying-on-senate-overseers-20140305
Chinese hack of federal personnel files included security-clearance database
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chinese-hack-of-government-network-compromises-security-clearance-files/2015/06/12/9f91f146-1135-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html
They can certainly catch more criminals if they put spy cameras in every home and car, eavesdrop on every phone conversation and electronic communication, have backdoors into everything "smart," and eliminate the need for search warrants. If you don't agree with this then you must be anti-children or even a child molester, terrorist, or murderer. If you aren't in one of these categories then you have nothing to worry about.
If you want the government to know everything you are doing just use a M$ product.
It looks like Windows 10 is following Android's lead in sucking as much of your personal data as possible. Makes me think twice about upgrading my home PC (on Win7).
I realize I may be exaggerating the actual concern, but I feel once you've bought into Win10, who's to say MS will step up the data mining later on down the road? Remember how Facebook quietly changed their privacy settings? Or "accidentally" reset some settings?
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2015/08/windows_10_privacy_problems_here_s_how_bad_they_are_and_how_to_plug_them.html
Edit: despite my post, I really want Win10 to be successful for MS (Android, not so much, but Android gives iOS needed competition).
[QUOTE]"we are talking about the ability to unlock phones pursuant to lawful, transparent judicial orders."[/QUOTE]
This is true, if your data is encrypted today, court can not demand that you turn over the data, they have no legal way to get to the encrypted data since Apple closed the method to unencrypted it. However, what the government is not sharing this is also true for any encryption software you may use on your computer files today.
The issue prosecuters have, there is no legal way to compel you to unencrypted your data, why, becuase you have a right not to self incriminate. But if they can find another method to get at your data they can legally compel others to do so.
It is like the criminal who has incrimating information buried in the woods, if the police know it exist but does not know where it is, they can not force you to tell them where to look. The encryted data on your phone is like the incriminating infromation in the woods police know the information exists but having no way of knowning how to get at it. Now you can see why they are frustrated.
Perhaps these public servants, employed by the public should make their phones available unencrypted to whoever asks, after all as their employers we have the right to know that everything is above board.
Think of the children, paedophiles come from all walks of life, including police and the judiciary.
Then there are murderers, American police seem to have a high propensity for murdering people over minor infractions.
How are we supposed to see domestic abuse, child abuse, animal abuse, illegal behaviors, terrorist activities and planning occurring inside homes if we can't see through the walls?! We can make the clear walls very thick so it is structurally sound. And don't worry, we can't hear anything you are saying, its not like we're sound-bugging the house you will still have privacy, but it needs to be within clear walls! Only so we can just see everything inside, nothing more, and we'll tell everyone else not to look, only we will look... We promise... /s
A fascist by any other name would smell just as foul.
These people are amazing they can kiss my a$$. Do your job and catch criminals with the tools you have, don't compromise my privacy and my rights under the constitution with this backdoor crap. Get a court order and force the criminal to unlock his phone and show you the files or put his ass in prison until he does. The only reason for these whiners to complain is that they want to collect data like the NSA on everyone and everything, even when it is illegal to spy on your own citizens without a court order. This reeks of fascism.
It looks like Windows 10 is following Android's lead in sucking as much of your personal data as possible. Makes me think twice about upgrading my home PC (on Win7).
I realize I may be exaggerating the actual concern, but I feel once you've bought into Win10, who's to say MS will step up the data mining later on down the road? Remember how Facebook quietly changed their privacy settings? Or "accidentally" reset some settings?
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2015/08/windows_10_privacy_problems_here_s_how_bad_they_are_and_how_to_plug_them.html
Edit: despite my post, I really want Win10 to be successful for MS (Android, not so much, but Android gives iOS needed competition).
Windows 10 is "free" because of all the data scraping and reselling.
This isn't about law enforcement, it's about the right to privacy and an unwillingness to trust government agencies to protect the rights of ordinary citizens. If you want to see a track record of how well the government can be trusted with personal information take a look at the process that was used by the US government to illegally imprison US citizens of Japanese decent during WWII. The US Census Bureau conspired with authorities to identify the names and locations of people of Japanese decent that were subsequently forced out of their homes and locked up in forced internment camps during the war. Second and third generation US born citizens who happened to be descendants from Japanese immigrants were imprisoned with full US government consent. The admission of guilt and monetary reparations that took place decades later do not forgive the crime. One of the jobs of a democracy is to ensuring that there are checks and balances to reduce the probability of mass hysteria leading to global stupidity. As tough as it is to stomach the thought of bad actors hiding the traces of their heinous infractions using modern encryption technology it is far worse to give up basic human rights and violate the core beliefs that prevent an oppressive government and law enforcement from subjugating its citizens.
These people need to be reminded every now and then that they are government servants - they work for us, and we are telling them "no way."
This isn't about law enforcement, it's about the right to privacy and an unwillingness to trust government agencies to protect the rights of ordinary citizens. If you want to see a track record of how well the government can be trusted with personal information take a look at the process that was used by the US government to illegally imprison US citizens of Japanese decent during WWII. The US Census Bureau conspired with authorities to identify the names and locations of people of Japanese decent that were subsequently forced out of their homes and locked up in forced internment camps during the war. Second and third generation US born citizens who happened to be descendants from Japanese immigrants were imprisoned with full US government consent. The admission of guilt and monetary reparations that took place decades later do not forgive the crime. One of the jobs of a democracy is to ensuring that there are checks and balances to reduce the probability of mass hysteria leading to global stupidity. As tough as it is to stomach the thought of bad actors hiding the traces of their heinous infractions using modern encryption technology it is far worse to give up basic human rights and violate the core beliefs that prevent an oppressive government and law enforcement from subjugating its citizens.
These people need to be reminded every now and then that they are government servants - they work for us, and we are telling them "no way."
It's about the Fourth Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Who else thinks this is just a plausibility ploy? That the NSA already have the encryption cracked (especially from the NSA data collection agency formerly known as Google) and are just spreading a false sense of security among the bad guys?
And for that matter...
How are we supposed to see domestic abuse, child abuse, animal abuse, illegal behaviors, terrorist activities and planning occurring inside homes if we can't see through the walls?! We can make the clear walls very thick so it is structurally sound. And don't worry, we can't hear anything you are saying, its not like we're sound-bugging the house you will still have privacy, but it needs to be within clear walls! Only so we can just see everything inside, nothing more, and we'll tell everyone else not to look, only we will look... We promise... /s
If you use drapes and walls and lock your doors, you're for the pedophiles, terrorists, murderers and kinky people..... We should all live in glass houses, it's for the children!