The G5: To MP, or not to MP
That is the question.
Current time: We have a DP 1GHZ G4, selling for $2999. Under the best circumstances, this thing could be equal to a 1.6-1.8ghz single processor mac
G5 time (2004? ): Rumor has it that the G5 will debut with 1.2, 1.4 and 1.6ghz chips. If so:
1. How would a 1.6ghz be vs 1.6ghz of G4 power?
2. Would it be worth the wait?
3. Can Apple dump DP so easily (after all that has gone into DP hype)
4. Does 1.6ghz sound better than DP 1ghz?
For me,
1 - G5 would be faster, marginally, as 64bit apps wouldn't be widespread (64bit Quartz might make it worth it!! )
2 - No
3 - No
4 - Yeah
Is this a likely senario? Hopefully not! If Apple would cram TWO G5's into the top model, a 1.6ghz G5 would be awfully more appealing. In retrospect, in one year, they would have moved from DP800 G4 to DP1600 G5 (note: presuming MWNY release). Respectable!
So, what are your predictions? Will Apple MP and own on the stage, or just take SP to the dance?
Current time: We have a DP 1GHZ G4, selling for $2999. Under the best circumstances, this thing could be equal to a 1.6-1.8ghz single processor mac
G5 time (2004? ): Rumor has it that the G5 will debut with 1.2, 1.4 and 1.6ghz chips. If so:
1. How would a 1.6ghz be vs 1.6ghz of G4 power?
2. Would it be worth the wait?
3. Can Apple dump DP so easily (after all that has gone into DP hype)
4. Does 1.6ghz sound better than DP 1ghz?
For me,
1 - G5 would be faster, marginally, as 64bit apps wouldn't be widespread (64bit Quartz might make it worth it!! )
2 - No
3 - No
4 - Yeah
Is this a likely senario? Hopefully not! If Apple would cram TWO G5's into the top model, a 1.6ghz G5 would be awfully more appealing. In retrospect, in one year, they would have moved from DP800 G4 to DP1600 G5 (note: presuming MWNY release). Respectable!
So, what are your predictions? Will Apple MP and own on the stage, or just take SP to the dance?
Comments
the G5 will be a really, really fast hunk of Silicon which in addition to boosting the clock speed will get more done per clock, thus putting all matter of hurt on Intel et al. But that all assumes you believe the rumor sites on a piece of silicon that is still a mystery inside an enigma inside....
2. See #1
3.Well may be with all Silicon that will fail at first they can make a matching CPU keyring to go with new Macs, it would technically in a way be dual processor
4. Probably (No DP overhead and hopefully the G5 is at least marginally more efficient per clock
Hopefully the reports of mystery boxes coming from Cupertino that blow all the other Macs and PCs in the house away are indeed the fabled G5s that are coming soon to an Apple store near you. But the again Windows happens...
Don't under-estimate Apple's ability to keep all kinds of secrets from the world at large. It's been my observation that they have gotten better and better at it.
Also, since the days of the G4 "wish-list" of specs multi-core processors have been proposed as possible additions to the Power PC line of processors. Selling people on MP systems will allow a great marketing campaign for Apple when it finally reaches silicon. This was also IBM's prefered direction instead of Alti-Vec if I remember correctly, so if Apple had chosen this direction we might not have seen the stand still Motorolla had with the G4, and , pure speculation, we would be anticipating the release of a quad core G5 possibly with the addition of a SIMD at speed of 1.6-2 ghz today instead of the G5 the rumour mills are proposing.
I'd be first in line to get one (assuming I had the money )
<strong>The main reason we might not see a G5 MP config right away would be limited chip supply....</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thank you....
<strong>The main reason we might not see a G5 MP config right away would be limited chip supply. .</strong><hr></blockquote>
Excepted if apple wait to have a huge stock of G5 before releasing his next generation of powermac.
It's more simple to make dual G5.
And just a personal guess, the more we will wait the G5 the more sophisticated he will be. personnaly i expect him for january, but with tremendeous power : a higher jump in performance than the G3 generation, and a new mobo with the lattest technology avalaible. Perhaps i say that because i fear that i cannot buy a new mac this year
<strong>Apple should not wait one second longer to release the G5, in ANY form, than they have to. Apple will be much better off to push the G5 out the door as a single processor than wait even a month to build enough supply to do dual processors.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed, the bad marketing of having half the MOBO & Processor speeds of Intel is making it very difficult for them to be taken seriously in the top end. This is not a market share expanding situation people - at best, it's stop gap maintenance solution, and at worst - well, I don't wanna think about that.
In effect, Apple is becoming the Israel of the computer industry ... no room for retreat.
OS X gives Apple every reason to make at least one dual G5 Powermac model. Signs point to Apple pursuing the high-end 3d/special effects workstation market--if so then a dual G5 is just the ticket. I don't think Apple is so dumb that they would ship both OS X and the G5, but forget to offer a dual G5 that OS X could exploit to the max.
Apple got their hands on the 733mhz G4, only 50% faster, and yet this warrented dumping MP. This chip was SLOWER than the DP500 (marginally) in DP optimised tasks.
Whats to say that won't happen again?
Why its more likely: We are not going up 45% or whatever, we are going up 60%
Why it is less likely: OSX is more MP aware, the speedup will be lessened. Also, Apple have since put even more PR hype into MP, can they shake more off just as quickly as before? Me don't think so.
Just a thought
The rumors say it'll be surprisingly inexpensive, but then the rumors make it sound like the eighth wonder of the world. Time will tell.
On the plus side, Mot seems to have licked its yield problems completely, or Apple wouldn't be offering GHz duals. And by all accounts the 7455 is a sweet little processor.
The current situation is different. OS X is out, and fully supports MP systems. A number of high end software products support MP systems as well. MP systems are very benefitial to Apples Pro customers (2D and 3D design, animation, video, etc). With Apples purchase of Nothing Real, they have bought some very high end technology which will benefit from MP systems. It would be unwise, and counter to the direction that they have been moving for them to drop MP systems.
That said, the offerings when the G5's are released will be based on chip yield, as they have been since the 450 MP. If the rumours are based in fact, then the G5 will be a single core system when it is released. But, I believe that I have read that they can make them Multi-cored chips. Will Moto/IBM or whoever actually makes the G5 make them with more than 1 core, I dont know. We have a better chance seeing it if IBM is pushing the chip design becouse it would benefit thier servers. I know that I would like to see a G5 with 2 or 4 cores. Imagine editing video on a Dual 1.5 ghz G5 that has 4 cores (equal to 8 processors!) If Apple could bring this technology to the desktop, then they truely would be inovating.
<strong> I know that I would like to see a G5 with 2 or 4 cores. Imagine editing video on a Dual 1.5 ghz G5 that has 4 cores (equal to 8 processors!) If Apple could bring this technology to the desktop, then they truely would be inovating.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't know how innovative this is. The multicore thing is interesting, but adding processors just for the sake of adding processors isn't that innovative. Look at Intel. They add GHz just for the sake of GHz.
Innovatation comes from using the processor intelligently. Clock for clock, my 500 MHz TiBook is four times faster than my roommate's 1.4 GHz P4 at RC5.
At first, they might not want to risk running short on stock of G5s by placing 2 in some machines. They'd be better of stockpiling for a lower-end DP or MP later.
Also, depending on the real MHz will be of one high-end G5 processor, they might not need to do it to look OK.
<strong>Apple should not wait one second longer to release the G5, in ANY form, than they have to. Apple will be much better off to push the G5 out the door as a single processor than wait even a month to build enough supply to do dual processors.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Perhaps that was the mindset with the G4 and how they released it before realizing the errata bug...?