Nobody can defend the RAM in iOS devices. And there's obviously a reason Apple refuses to tell us RAM when they tell us everything else about the internals. If the new iPhones don't have at least 2GB RAM I'll keep my existing 6 for another year.
It's your unicorn. For some it's IGZO. For others it's SkyLake. A few others want Santa to put OLEDs in everything. Still others expect 500ppi displays. Or thick and heavy bricks because there's no other way known to man to get more battery life. But most consumers just want to use their device to do something in their digital world. They're not chasing spec unicorns. This is why techies hate hate hate Apple, but consumers love them.
I don't mind a larger screen with higher resolution. The 4:3 ratio is perfect for doing artwork, reading books, browsing. I never understood why most PC laptop screens went to 16:9, and got vertically shorter in the process. It's one reason I would like the iPad Pro over a MacBook Retina.
Nobody can defend the RAM in iOS devices. And there's obviously a reason Apple refuses to tell us RAM when they tell us everything else about the internals. If the new iPhones don't have at least 2GB RAM I'll keep my existing 6 for another year.
It's your unicorn. For some it's IGZO. For others it's SkyLake. A few others want Santa to put OLEDs in everything. Still others expect 500ppi displays. Or thick and heavy bricks because there's no other way known to man to get more battery life. But most consumers just want to use their device to do something in their digital world. They're not chasing spec unicorns. This is why techies hate hate hate Apple, but consumers love them.
Not really in this case. RAM would open up many more doors for devs and consumer would benefit. The refreshing of every app is annoying. No other phone I use does this.
I guess I don't understand why this is so important to you.
As a user, I've noticed this maybe twice in four years, and even then, only when I was in an uncharacteristically slow bandwidth environment. In both of those cases, the refresh took maybe about 5 seconds, instead of the quarter-second it normally takes.
Have you tried Netflix? When I switch out of the Netflix app on my iPad 3 (1 GB RAM), if I do the smallest of things in another app, Netflix needs to restart from scratch after I switch back to it (and that is because some of the RAM it was using got appropriated for the app I had switched to).
And if you have websites with images in it, more than three or four tabs won't ever stay in memory. Naturally, having a slow iPad 3 exacerbates this by making the reload take many seconds.
Given what people post here, I get the impression nobody knows how work on computers is supposed to flow, and they just accept horrible behavior as "the way things are"...
A big difference with computers is that they can swap out memory to disk, iOS can't do this. That is why you essentially never loose such information on a computer (only if the browser crashes or even the whole OS). Thus, if things are important, always take a screenshot before switching away.
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Maybe it's my age... but in the example someone mentioned above, leaving an online transaction in mid-process (especially one involving electronic commerce) to go randomly do something else, and expecting to come back to it seamlessly... that's never been a good idea even in a desktop environment. Way too many things can go wrong, both client- and server-side.
Procreate can handle a 4096x4096 canvas with 1GB RAM.
I wonder what it can do with 4!
Re OS X on ARM: not in any foreseeable future (apps would stop running, too much developer nightmare for too little benefit, and we already have an ARM OS). But the name being "macOS" is a sure bet. And in the VERY long run, anything is possible, including OS X on some descendent of today's ARM. Even ARM will go away... someday.
I agree with you. We need the 2 GB of RAM.
Not really in this case. RAM would open up many more doors for devs and consumer would benefit. The refreshing of every app is annoying. No other phone I use does this.
Apple does not refresh every app. At any given time you probably have a dozen that are running core pieces in the background, such as downloading emails. The UI resources are released, the core multitasking resources are not.
Also extra RAM does absolutely nothing for anyone besides ridiculously high end games.
Definitely going to buy one of these now, I can finially get rid of 2 of 3 iPads I have now. Still will just be used for my music creation though, at least I can run 2 apps at a time. Still hoping one of these days I'll be able to run whatever I want to in the background though.
Apple does not refresh every app. At any given time you probably have a dozen that are running core pieces in the background, such as downloading emails. The UI resources are released, the core multitasking resources are not.
Also extra RAM does absolutely nothing for anyone besides ridiculously high end games.
Wrong. Apps, taps, etc. My iPhone 6+ really feels it when I am traveling and multitasking (music, GPS, traffic app, siri, etc...). 2GB would really help the phone. I also found my 6+ to be fast but not like my 5 or 4 when I first got them. Hoping iOS 9 gets back to some of the basics. Just my experience.
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Maybe it's my age... but in the example someone mentioned above, leaving an online transaction in mid-process (especially one involving electronic commerce) to go randomly do something else, and expecting to come back to it seamlessly... that's never been a good idea even in a desktop environment. Way too many things can go wrong, both client- and server-side.
Never have this issue on OSX or Windows. You might get your PC/Mac checked.
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A big difference with computers is that they can swap out memory to disk, iOS can't do this. That is why you essentially never loose such information on a computer (only if the browser crashes or even the whole OS). Thus, if things are important, always take a screenshot before switching away.
That is not multitasking. I have to go back and then delete these screenshots. How is that elegant? Put 2GB in there and be done with it. Apple is just being cheap. I do believe the 6S has 2GB anyway.
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Have you tried Netflix? When I switch out of the Netflix app on my iPad 3 (1 GB RAM), if I do the smallest of things in another app, Netflix needs to restart from scratch after I switch back to it (and that is because some of the RAM it was using got appropriated for the app I had switched to).
And if you have websites with images in it, more than three or four tabs won't ever stay in memory. Naturally, having a slow iPad 3 exacerbates this by making the reload take many seconds.
Agreed.
For those who utilize many of the features in an iPhone, all at the same time, 1GB isn't enough.
Coming from an iPhone 6+, iPad 2, and Macbook user.
Wrong. Apps, taps, etc. My iPhone 6+ really feels it when I am traveling and multitasking (music, GPS, traffic app, siri, etc...). 2GB would really help the phone. I also found my 6+ to be fast but not like my 5 or 4 when I first got them. Hoping iOS 9 gets back to some of the basics. Just my experience.
Never have this issue on OSX or Windows. You might get your PC/Mac checked.
That is not multitasking. I have to go back and then delete these screenshots. How is that elegant? Put 2GB in there and be done with it. Apple is just being cheap. I do believe the 6S has 2GB anyway.
Agreed.
For those who utilize many of the features in an iPhone, all at the same time, 1GB isn't enough.
Coming from an iPhone 6+, iPad 2, and Macbook user.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2015/09/09/iphone-6s-iphone-6s-plus-hands-on/ I think 6s have 2Gb of RAM. 3D Touch brings a lot more view controllers on the screen again. I can tell you from experience, that for example Maps always create heavy memory spikes. With 3D Touch this will be integral all over the iOS and Apps and not only that, of course.
It's a big deal in sites that do not have a REST interface. Information displayed on a page should NEVER change unless:
a) the user intentionally refreshes the page
b) the page is programmed to auto-refresh and the user didn't disable that in some preferences
The way iOS works, you switch to another app or tab, come back and the information displayed may no longer be the same.
e.g. online order, check e-mail for confirmation message, didn't arrive, go back to Safari in an effort to write down order confirmation number, but
WOOPS, since Safari has to reload the page you end up on the web shop's home page, your confirmation number is gone...
Good luck calling customer service without it.
Given what people post here, I get the impression nobody knows how work on computers is supposed to flow, and they just accept horrible behavior as "the way things are"...
Fully agreed. This is exactly the kind of user experience annoyance stuff that irritates the hell out of me, which apparently tech people are conditioned to not notice, because computer tech is somehow exempt from the rules (apparently all rules).
My iPhone 4 suffers this on a lot of pages, especially now that the web is all about loading as much TRASH as possible into a website. Even mobile pages are utterly full of bloat and time-wasting nonsense scripting. But even simple websites with less crap do this. Several of the bill paying websites I use do this. I want my confirmation number, but I've forgotten to copy it and switch to a different app. I switch back and the damn page reloads. Multitasking SHOULD = "nothing changes in an app while switching tasks unless the user explicitly invokes said change".
My point is related to numbers and medium. Just because you hear it on a tech blog doesn't mean it's a serious issue, it's just a problem over which *some* techies are currently foaming at the mouth. Most people don't give a rat's arse what techies find annoying, so my point is that it's not as big a deal as the internets would have you believe. And for those that do find it an issue, it's never as big an issue as you read here by some. According to mouth foamers it's a problem that requires everyone to stop the spinning the planet, while the rest of the world look up from their desks and go, "ho-hum, we're working around that, no big deal," and get back to work.
What I really want is an adaptive UI: OS X when used with keyboard and pencil, iOS when used without; combined with truly universal apps...
...totally doable. Apple could ditch the MacBook Air range, and increase profits because their A-series CPUs are much cheaper than buying from Intel.
So basically you are looking for an Apple version of Windows 10 on a convertible. I think if Apple gets there, it will be by adding Mac features to iOS rather than touch to OS X.
A big difference with computers is that they can swap out memory to disk, iOS can't do this. That is why you essentially never loose such information on a computer (only if the browser crashes or even the whole OS). Thus, if things are important, always take a screenshot before switching away.
Exactly true. But the technical fact doesn't erase the need for this behavior to be eliminated on a mobile device. There's flash storage. Is paging memory to flash storage much slower than reloading the source data anyway? Plus, some of this is just bad app design. Gmail is utterly awful at this while most other apps on my phone are ok (mostly). This tells me that it is designed badly for multitasking or uses WAY too much RAM compared to other apps.
Frankly, giving full size computers such a glut of memory ends up allowing developers to waste resources and develop bloated applications, so tons of RAM isn't a panacea. Same as for CPUs; the faster they get, the sloppier the code is from many developers. Adobe is a major culprit in this area. This whole industry, though, is addicted to the hamster wheel cycle of perpetual bigger/faster... Buy it again, and again, and again, and again... (when all many people want is just stability and lack of bugs, not endless feature additions).
Mobile devices paused the glut of perpetual bloating for a brief time, but the Internet itself has shown that pause to be over, since now we need a damned supercomputer to deal with most webpages. Page load is at an all time high, as is the useless junk on them. Mostly for the sake of marketing.
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It's your unicorn. For some it's IGZO. For others it's SkyLake. A few others want Santa to put OLEDs in everything. Still others expect 500ppi displays. Or thick and heavy bricks because there's no other way known to man to get more battery life. But most consumers just want to use their device to do something in their digital world. They're not chasing spec unicorns. This is why techies hate hate hate Apple, but consumers love them.
I think the way to look at it is how the 15" Titanium PowerBook wasn't upgraded at the same time the 17" and 12" Aluminum PowerBooks were introduced.
I don't mind a larger screen with higher resolution. The 4:3 ratio is perfect for doing artwork, reading books, browsing. I never understood why most PC laptop screens went to 16:9, and got vertically shorter in the process. It's one reason I would like the iPad Pro over a MacBook Retina.
I agree with you. We need the 2 GB of RAM.
Not really in this case. RAM would open up many more doors for devs and consumer would benefit. The refreshing of every app is annoying. No other phone I use does this.
I guess I don't understand why this is so important to you.
As a user, I've noticed this maybe twice in four years, and even then, only when I was in an uncharacteristically slow bandwidth environment. In both of those cases, the refresh took maybe about 5 seconds, instead of the quarter-second it normally takes.
Have you tried Netflix? When I switch out of the Netflix app on my iPad 3 (1 GB RAM), if I do the smallest of things in another app, Netflix needs to restart from scratch after I switch back to it (and that is because some of the RAM it was using got appropriated for the app I had switched to).
And if you have websites with images in it, more than three or four tabs won't ever stay in memory. Naturally, having a slow iPad 3 exacerbates this by making the reload take many seconds.
Given what people post here, I get the impression nobody knows how work on computers is supposed to flow, and they just accept horrible behavior as "the way things are"...
A big difference with computers is that they can swap out memory to disk, iOS can't do this. That is why you essentially never loose such information on a computer (only if the browser crashes or even the whole OS). Thus, if things are important, always take a screenshot before switching away.
Thanks to all the thread contributors. I now understand the compulsion to push the envelope, at least from a quasi-altruistic standpoint. And I've been outed as a keep-it-simple, single-process user.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Maybe it's my age... but in the example someone mentioned above, leaving an online transaction in mid-process (especially one involving electronic commerce) to go randomly do something else, and expecting to come back to it seamlessly... that's never been a good idea even in a desktop environment. Way too many things can go wrong, both client- and server-side.
I wonder what it can do with 4!
Re OS X on ARM: not in any foreseeable future (apps would stop running, too much developer nightmare for too little benefit, and we already have an ARM OS). But the name being "macOS" is a sure bet. And in the VERY long run, anything is possible, including OS X on some descendent of today's ARM. Even ARM will go away... someday.
Apple does not refresh every app. At any given time you probably have a dozen that are running core pieces in the background, such as downloading emails. The UI resources are released, the core multitasking resources are not.
Also extra RAM does absolutely nothing for anyone besides ridiculously high end games.
Apple does not refresh every app. At any given time you probably have a dozen that are running core pieces in the background, such as downloading emails. The UI resources are released, the core multitasking resources are not.
Also extra RAM does absolutely nothing for anyone besides ridiculously high end games.
Wrong. Apps, taps, etc. My iPhone 6+ really feels it when I am traveling and multitasking (music, GPS, traffic app, siri, etc...). 2GB would really help the phone. I also found my 6+ to be fast but not like my 5 or 4 when I first got them. Hoping iOS 9 gets back to some of the basics. Just my experience.
Thanks to all the thread contributors. I now understand the compulsion to push the envelope, at least from a quasi-altruistic standpoint. And I've been outed as a keep-it-simple, single-process user.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Maybe it's my age... but in the example someone mentioned above, leaving an online transaction in mid-process (especially one involving electronic commerce) to go randomly do something else, and expecting to come back to it seamlessly... that's never been a good idea even in a desktop environment. Way too many things can go wrong, both client- and server-side.
Never have this issue on OSX or Windows. You might get your PC/Mac checked.
A big difference with computers is that they can swap out memory to disk, iOS can't do this. That is why you essentially never loose such information on a computer (only if the browser crashes or even the whole OS). Thus, if things are important, always take a screenshot before switching away.
That is not multitasking. I have to go back and then delete these screenshots. How is that elegant? Put 2GB in there and be done with it. Apple is just being cheap. I do believe the 6S has 2GB anyway.
Have you tried Netflix? When I switch out of the Netflix app on my iPad 3 (1 GB RAM), if I do the smallest of things in another app, Netflix needs to restart from scratch after I switch back to it (and that is because some of the RAM it was using got appropriated for the app I had switched to).
And if you have websites with images in it, more than three or four tabs won't ever stay in memory. Naturally, having a slow iPad 3 exacerbates this by making the reload take many seconds.
Agreed.
For those who utilize many of the features in an iPhone, all at the same time, 1GB isn't enough.
Coming from an iPhone 6+, iPad 2, and Macbook user.
I wonder how much RAM iPad Mini 4 has? 1 or 2Gb?
Wrong. Apps, taps, etc. My iPhone 6+ really feels it when I am traveling and multitasking (music, GPS, traffic app, siri, etc...). 2GB would really help the phone. I also found my 6+ to be fast but not like my 5 or 4 when I first got them. Hoping iOS 9 gets back to some of the basics. Just my experience.
Never have this issue on OSX or Windows. You might get your PC/Mac checked.
That is not multitasking. I have to go back and then delete these screenshots. How is that elegant? Put 2GB in there and be done with it. Apple is just being cheap. I do believe the 6S has 2GB anyway.
Agreed.
For those who utilize many of the features in an iPhone, all at the same time, 1GB isn't enough.
Coming from an iPhone 6+, iPad 2, and Macbook user.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2015/09/09/iphone-6s-iphone-6s-plus-hands-on/ I think 6s have 2Gb of RAM. 3D Touch brings a lot more view controllers on the screen again. I can tell you from experience, that for example Maps always create heavy memory spikes. With 3D Touch this will be integral all over the iOS and Apps and not only that, of course.
I don't understand why people want to use OS X on an iPad. How about Apple make iPad software more powerful instead.
Maybe they want access to a proper file system.
Maybe they want access to a proper file system.
The only time I ever hear or see mention of that is tech blogs, the complainer's paradise.
The only time I ever hear or see mention of that is tech blogs, the complainer's paradise.
Where would you expect to see them?
Fully agreed. This is exactly the kind of user experience annoyance stuff that irritates the hell out of me, which apparently tech people are conditioned to not notice, because computer tech is somehow exempt from the rules (apparently all rules).
My iPhone 4 suffers this on a lot of pages, especially now that the web is all about loading as much TRASH as possible into a website. Even mobile pages are utterly full of bloat and time-wasting nonsense scripting. But even simple websites with less crap do this. Several of the bill paying websites I use do this. I want my confirmation number, but I've forgotten to copy it and switch to a different app. I switch back and the damn page reloads. Multitasking SHOULD = "nothing changes in an app while switching tasks unless the user explicitly invokes said change".
Where would you expect to see them?
My point is related to numbers and medium. Just because you hear it on a tech blog doesn't mean it's a serious issue, it's just a problem over which *some* techies are currently foaming at the mouth. Most people don't give a rat's arse what techies find annoying, so my point is that it's not as big a deal as the internets would have you believe. And for those that do find it an issue, it's never as big an issue as you read here by some. According to mouth foamers it's a problem that requires everyone to stop the spinning the planet, while the rest of the world look up from their desks and go, "ho-hum, we're working around that, no big deal," and get back to work.
What I really want is an adaptive UI: OS X when used with keyboard and pencil, iOS when used without; combined with truly universal apps...
...totally doable. Apple could ditch the MacBook Air range, and increase profits because their A-series CPUs are much cheaper than buying from Intel.
So basically you are looking for an Apple version of Windows 10 on a convertible. I think if Apple gets there, it will be by adding Mac features to iOS rather than touch to OS X.
Exactly true. But the technical fact doesn't erase the need for this behavior to be eliminated on a mobile device. There's flash storage. Is paging memory to flash storage much slower than reloading the source data anyway? Plus, some of this is just bad app design. Gmail is utterly awful at this while most other apps on my phone are ok (mostly). This tells me that it is designed badly for multitasking or uses WAY too much RAM compared to other apps.
Frankly, giving full size computers such a glut of memory ends up allowing developers to waste resources and develop bloated applications, so tons of RAM isn't a panacea. Same as for CPUs; the faster they get, the sloppier the code is from many developers. Adobe is a major culprit in this area. This whole industry, though, is addicted to the hamster wheel cycle of perpetual bigger/faster... Buy it again, and again, and again, and again... (when all many people want is just stability and lack of bugs, not endless feature additions).
Mobile devices paused the glut of perpetual bloating for a brief time, but the Internet itself has shown that pause to be over, since now we need a damned supercomputer to deal with most webpages. Page load is at an all time high, as is the useless junk on them. Mostly for the sake of marketing.