I can see that dislike button get abused big time... It'll be a troll's nirvana to have that ability.
It might be an interesting way to help weed out trolls.
Think about it: if you're a naysayer, what better way to collect metrics on mindless naysaying than a dislike button? It will open new doors for experiments in online communities, assuming Facebook releases an API for mining that data.
I agree that mindless naysaying can get tiresome. But imagine if Apple Insider had a thumbs down button and how that would work out.
Any naysayer with an ever so slightly, very teeny weeny negative comment about Apple (or positive about any other tech company not Apple) would be down voted into oblivion. Regardless of if they had valid point, or new interesting information to offer.
Not all naysayers are trolls in my opinion. I think people are too quick to judge constructive criticism (which can often be naysaying) for trolling. Critical thinking is usually not trolling. It is often labeled as such online because people do not want to hear about or recognize differing opinions or facts.
I agree that mindless naysaying can get tiresome. But imagine if Apple Insider had a thumbs down button and how that would work out.
Any naysayer with an ever so slightly, very teeny weeny negative comment about Apple (or positive about any other tech company not Apple) would be down voted into oblivion. Regardless of if they had valid point, or new interesting information to offer.
Not all naysayers are trolls in my opinion. I think people are too quick to judge constructive criticism (which can often be naysaying) for trolling. Critical thinking is usually not trolling. It is often labeled as such online because people do not want to hear about or recognize differing opinions or facts.
There's a lot more trolling than constructive criticism in tech groups these days. And trolling about Apple in particular (or anything popular/known) seems to be a way for some people to get their jollies. Psychologists have studied the profile of the typical troll and it aint pretty.
There is a very typical profile that enables quasi instant Identification. Claiming to own for a "long time" everything of the brand your now putting down, that it was better before when X was there, that everyone who buys this is an idiot or in a cult and the troll is the only sane person that can put us in the right track.
Then this pseudo past brand/party affiliate in a fit of self-hate denigrates violently what he supposedly once loved in the most condescending way possible.
There's a lot more trolling than constructive criticism in tech groups these days. And trolling about Apple in particular (or anything popular/known) seems to be a way for some people to get their jollies. Psychologists have studied the profile of the typical troll and it aint pretty.
There is a very typical profile that enables quasi instant Identification. Claiming to own for a "long time" everything of the brand your now putting down, that it was better before when X was there, that everyone who buys this is an idiot or in a cult and the troll is the only sane person that can put us in the right track.
Then this pseudo past brand/party affiliate in a fit of self-hate denigrates violently what he supposedly once loved in the most condescending way possible.
I understand what you are saying. It happens on forums all over the web probably 10's of millions times per day.
My point was how someone can have a decent idea, make a decent point or argument and is instantly torn to shreds by "long time" brand/party affiliates. Simply because it doesn't fit lock step with their own way of thinking.
The phenomenon where people often feel the need preface their statements with "I have been brand/party loyal for X amount of time" before they make a statement that may not be in lock step with a brand/party is an interesting one. Perhaps some of the time it could be trolling, perhaps some of the time it could simply be to give a frame of reference.
An example could be something like "I wish the iPhone had better battery life." vs. "I have owned nearly every iPhone over the years and the one thing I wish it had was better battery life." I don't see either of those as trolling yet sometimes others do.
The troll road goes both ways. Unfortunately neither direction can help themselves.
There is one and only one reason Facebook has never had a dislike button: having a dislike button would scare away the sponsors. It has nothing whatsoever to do with nurturing a community. The problem with a dislike button is that no corporation would ever have a Facebook page if there was both a Like and Dislike button. No corporation would place ads in Facebook feeds if users could dislike the ad.
So, don't be surprised that this upcoming dislike button doesn't appear on corporate Facebook pages or within ads. You may be able to dislike one of your dippy friend's selfies, but you can rest assured that you won't be able to dislike any of Facebook's customers. You are not a Facebook customer. The advertisers are the customers. Facebook will never do anything to offend or drive them away.
BTW, same goes for Google and every other sleazy company that use the near ubiquitous surveillance advertising business model. A business model, I hasten to add, that has pretty much ruined the internet.
Thank god for Apps. Paid-for Apps that don't collect your personal information or track you.
Yep this is exactly what I was thinking it's all about the ads nothing more. Also think about all the press years ago about bots being use to drive up likes the same could happen to drive up dislikes and this would not be good for FB. The customers are not the free users it's the guys paying the bills.
What I find funny about this, Back in the 90's the porn industry wss the big innovators on the internet and was making all the money. Today porn sites have a dislike button I guest FB it's just following the porn industry again since they do not have a problem with people saying they do not like someone personal porn.
Hate ghettos are created. Almost every forum I visit (news, tech, music) have long ago disabled ‘dislike’ or down-voting. Even that cesspool of Apple hating trolls, MacRumors, got rid of the thumbs-down button. It had gotten so bad that anyone posting anything positive about Apple or its products was immediately inundated with hundreds of thumbs-down clicks. It’s not much better these days. Now the opposite is true. If a troll posts negative garbage about Apple they get hundreds of thumbs-up clicks.
Facebook's CEO said the project has been in the works for awhile, but has taken some time to bring to market because developing it has been "surprisingly complicated."
After tackling the "complicated" dislike button project, the crackerjack Facebook development crew plan to take on brain surgery and building rocket ships.
Everyone seems so concerned about hate ghettos and companies not wanting a dislike option.
Isn't the obvious solution to make the "Dislike" button an option the poster can choose to include when posting something on Facebook? That way, if you know you are posting bad new like someone being sick or passing away, you can click a check box to include a "Dislike" button under your post. I think that would solve most of the issues people are concerned about.
There is one and only one reason Facebook has never had a dislike button: having a dislike button would scare away the sponsors. It has nothing whatsoever to do with nurturing a community. The problem with a dislike button is that no corporation would ever have a Facebook page if there was both a Like and Dislike button. No corporation would place ads in Facebook feeds if users could dislike the ad.
So, don't be surprised that this upcoming dislike button doesn't appear on corporate Facebook pages or within ads. You may be able to dislike one of your dippy friend's selfies, but you can rest assured that you won't be able to dislike any of Facebook's customers. You are not a Facebook customer. The advertisers are the customers. Facebook will never do anything to offend or drive them away.
BTW, same goes for Google and every other sleazy company that use the near ubiquitous surveillance advertising business model. A business model, I hasten to add, that has pretty much ruined the internet.
Thank god for Apps. Paid-for Apps that don't collect your personal information or track you.
You have the right sentiment, but currently even the paid-app model is effed up because most apps include 3rd party analytics embedded within the app itself, like Flurry (and many others). These can be blocked by either never connecting to a network while the apps are running, or by using filtering routers. But even routers only work with WiFi, not when your cell transceivers are on.
Why the F!$^%#@ can't we have apps that we pay for, without built-in spyware?!
Here's hoping that Apple is on a path (via network filters) to rectifying this situation.
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I can see that dislike button get abused big time... It'll be a troll's nirvana to have that ability.
It might be an interesting way to help weed out trolls.
Think about it: if you're a naysayer, what better way to collect metrics on mindless naysaying than a dislike button? It will open new doors for experiments in online communities, assuming Facebook releases an API for mining that data.
I agree that mindless naysaying can get tiresome. But imagine if Apple Insider had a thumbs down button and how that would work out.
Any naysayer with an ever so slightly, very teeny weeny negative comment about Apple (or positive about any other tech company not Apple) would be down voted into oblivion. Regardless of if they had valid point, or new interesting information to offer.
Not all naysayers are trolls in my opinion. I think people are too quick to judge constructive criticism (which can often be naysaying) for trolling. Critical thinking is usually not trolling. It is often labeled as such online because people do not want to hear about or recognize differing opinions or facts.
I agree that mindless naysaying can get tiresome. But imagine if Apple Insider had a thumbs down button and how that would work out.
Any naysayer with an ever so slightly, very teeny weeny negative comment about Apple (or positive about any other tech company not Apple) would be down voted into oblivion. Regardless of if they had valid point, or new interesting information to offer.
Not all naysayers are trolls in my opinion. I think people are too quick to judge constructive criticism (which can often be naysaying) for trolling. Critical thinking is usually not trolling. It is often labeled as such online because people do not want to hear about or recognize differing opinions or facts.
There's a lot more trolling than constructive criticism in tech groups these days. And trolling about Apple in particular (or anything popular/known) seems to be a way for some people to get their jollies. Psychologists have studied the profile of the typical troll and it aint pretty.
There is a very typical profile that enables quasi instant Identification. Claiming to own for a "long time" everything of the brand your now putting down, that it was better before when X was there, that everyone who buys this is an idiot or in a cult and the troll is the only sane person that can put us in the right track.
Then this pseudo past brand/party affiliate in a fit of self-hate denigrates violently what he supposedly once loved in the most condescending way possible.
The contrast of innovation between Apple and FB is quite revealing!!
Apple Spends years building TouchID, 3D Touch and ?Watch amongst a dozen other things. FB spends years building a dislike button.
Saw this on family guy:
[IMG]http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/62865/width/200/height/400[/IMG]
Originally Posted by foggyhill
There's a lot more trolling than constructive criticism in tech groups these days. And trolling about Apple in particular (or anything popular/known) seems to be a way for some people to get their jollies. Psychologists have studied the profile of the typical troll and it aint pretty.
There is a very typical profile that enables quasi instant Identification. Claiming to own for a "long time" everything of the brand your now putting down, that it was better before when X was there, that everyone who buys this is an idiot or in a cult and the troll is the only sane person that can put us in the right track.
Then this pseudo past brand/party affiliate in a fit of self-hate denigrates violently what he supposedly once loved in the most condescending way possible.
I understand what you are saying. It happens on forums all over the web probably 10's of millions times per day.
My point was how someone can have a decent idea, make a decent point or argument and is instantly torn to shreds by "long time" brand/party affiliates. Simply because it doesn't fit lock step with their own way of thinking.
The phenomenon where people often feel the need preface their statements with "I have been brand/party loyal for X amount of time" before they make a statement that may not be in lock step with a brand/party is an interesting one. Perhaps some of the time it could be trolling, perhaps some of the time it could simply be to give a frame of reference.
An example could be something like "I wish the iPhone had better battery life." vs. "I have owned nearly every iPhone over the years and the one thing I wish it had was better battery life." I don't see either of those as trolling yet sometimes others do.
The troll road goes both ways. Unfortunately neither direction can help themselves.
-Like
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-Meh
-Do Not Like
I went on reading it as an "emphatic" dislike button.
Yep this is exactly what I was thinking it's all about the ads nothing more. Also think about all the press years ago about bots being use to drive up likes the same could happen to drive up dislikes and this would not be good for FB. The customers are not the free users it's the guys paying the bills.
This is the company that offered a choice of over 50 genders:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/02/13/facebook_custom_gender_options_here_are_all_56_custom_options.html
They'll need brofist, condolences, middle finger, loser, ok/acknowledgement, peace, love, hate, Vulcan salute, applause, whatever, facepalm:
They probably spent so long figuring out which symbols were most used, how to order them, which graphics to use.
A dislike button creates ghettoes.
Hate ghettos are created. Almost every forum I visit (news, tech, music) have long ago disabled ‘dislike’ or down-voting. Even that cesspool of Apple hating trolls, MacRumors, got rid of the thumbs-down button. It had gotten so bad that anyone posting anything positive about Apple or its products was immediately inundated with hundreds of thumbs-down clicks. It’s not much better these days. Now the opposite is true. If a troll posts negative garbage about Apple they get hundreds of thumbs-up clicks.
After tackling the "complicated" dislike button project, the crackerjack Facebook development crew plan to take on brain surgery and building rocket ships.
Everyone seems so concerned about hate ghettos and companies not wanting a dislike option.
Isn't the obvious solution to make the "Dislike" button an option the poster can choose to include when posting something on Facebook? That way, if you know you are posting bad new like someone being sick or passing away, you can click a check box to include a "Dislike" button under your post. I think that would solve most of the issues people are concerned about.
All true, good comment.
You have the right sentiment, but currently even the paid-app model is effed up because most apps include 3rd party analytics embedded within the app itself, like Flurry (and many others). These can be blocked by either never connecting to a network while the apps are running, or by using filtering routers. But even routers only work with WiFi, not when your cell transceivers are on.
Why the F!$^%#@ can't we have apps that we pay for, without built-in spyware?!
Here's hoping that Apple is on a path (via network filters) to rectifying this situation.