Let the record show that [B]sog35[/B] is claiming it's impossible to read anything on the iPhone 3GS due to a resolution of 320×480 which is far below Fire tablet's 1024×600 resolution, not to mention the 3GS and iPad 2 having a PPI below the Fire tablet. Kind of amazing that Apple was able to sell of those devices when it was impossible to read anything on them¡
So what the hell are you going to use this tablet for then?
What kind of application could you use this in the workplace?
Its pure crap. Can't beleive you would allow your workers to risk their livelihood on such a POS device. If my boss gave me a $50 tablet as a mission critical device I'd quit my job.
You'd be too busy rolling on the floor crying and screaming to quit.
Yes I think that would be unacceptable for business use right now. For personal use? Fine. But not for business where productivity is paramount.
1) No, the 3GS arrived less than 6 years ago, and it wasn't discontinued from their store until 3 years ago, which would mean that it was still under factory warranty until jus a year ago depending on the country and if one has AC+, yet you claimed you can't read anything on such a shitty display. Also note those displays were TN panels whereas the Fire tablet is IPS.
2) No, the Fire tablet's 171 PPI is considerably higher than the iPad 2's 131 PPI, and was only discontinued from sale last year 2014, which means that iPad 2's could still be under factory warranty, and they can get iOS 9, yet you fervently claimed it's impossible to read anything on such a shitty display.
Did human eyesight change dramatically in that time that those devices Apple sold for so many years not too long ago are now impossible to use or are you just so incapable of being objective that you can't see how any other product might have a use, even if given a niche example, like digital inventory in a warehouse by minimum wage workers where a $400+ tablet isn't the best option for a variety of reasons when you only need to show a scrolling list of text that may or may not be checkable?
So you'd rather give your employees a crap product to save $100 instead of giving them something that will help productivity that could save you thousands?
More unsubstantiated BS. Where do you get the $100 figure and the thousands of dollars in savings? The Fire tablet looks like a decent tablet, especially for the price. If a business develops a custom app for the Fire that does exactly what it needs, how is that a poor business decision? You can buy 6 Fires for $249.95. That doesn't even buy one iPad.
Hopefully, to bring some sort of perspective to TV screens/sizes and content ...
We got the first TV in our neighborhood in 1949 -- The parents said it was for my 10th birthday, but it was really for the entire family. AIR, it cost about $500, a lot of money in those days.
Hopefully, to bring some sort of perspective to TV screens/sizes and content ...
We got the first TV in our neighborhood in 1949 -- The parents said it was for my 10th birthday, but it was really for the entire family. AIR, it cost about $500, a lot of money in those days.
It had a 7 inch screen and a pushbutton for each channel (channels 1- 13).
There were only 2 channels broadcasting in Minneapolis and the were on channel 4 and channel 5.
AIR, they would fire up a test pattern about 5:00 PM CT and only broadcast between 6:00 and 9:00 CT.
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"In practice, this means that smaller 4K TVs do not really give much consumer benefit at typical home viewing distances. The average lounge or bedroom viewing distance is typically around 2 meters, but can be much more. At these distances, 4K TVs need to be 80 inches or more for 4K resolution to have its full effect"
In other words for 4k even to matter you either need a massive 80 inch TV or you need to sit extremely close to your TV.
Well you could sit 6' or so away from a 50" 4k screen and be able (barely) to tell 2K from 4K but 6' is close even in a bedroom (unless you have a -really- tiny bedroom, my bedroom screen sits on the wall about 13' from where our heads are on the bed (which is pretty typical)
At real LR distances (10-15' (even 20') viewing distances) yes 80" would be a bare minimum and really, 100" diagonal would be much better.
Here is a handy chart on screen size vs distance (for various resolutions)
You know what's really crap? Dissing every product that doesn't have an Apple logo or telling someone that they have bought their child a "POS" tablet when it works perfectly fine in the capacity it was bought for. My son's Kindle Fire HDX is in a protective case, he likes it, I like it, and it was reasonably priced. It doesn't crash on him, it works every time he turns it on and he's happy to use it.
That's all that matters to me (and to him). What's really appalling is when people that have an axe to grind can't see past their own biases to see things through the eyes of others. I love my Apple products, but I don't talk s**t about every other competing product on the market because there are better things to exert my energy on.
And BTW, my son's HDX was bought in July 2014; it's still going strong.
Don't get upset, these kind of remarks are the norm here. Sog does have a point though, these new tablets are nothing like the HDX series that you have, which are absolutely superb products by the way. I have one as well, a HDX 8.9, 64GB LTE model, not only is it extremely well built (I mean really well built, probably one of the best built tablets I have ever seen), really fast, super long lasting battery, but Amazon has been spot on with regular updates. I just upgraded mine to Fire OS 5.0 (still in beta for the HDX), which is by the way awesome, not to mention a lot more attractive. I also dug out my Fire TV yesterday after the announcement, which I had moth balled because I now use an Nvidia Shield, to install the update. You know what, it's a really good TV set-box and by the way, I don't subscribe to a single Amazon service, well, except for Kindle. I installed a few games, Nova 3, Modern Combat 3,4,5, ShadowGun 1,2, GTA 3; Vice City, San Andreas, Asphalt 8, Mine Craft, Limbo, AVP: Evolution, Deus Ex: The Fall, Call Of Duty Strike, etc. hooked up an Xbox Controller to it, which works flawlessly and installed, FX File Explorer (so I can mount all of cloud storage and NAS), VLC, PopCorn Time, NetFlix, BBM, Skype, FireFox, Revision 3, tubitv, IGN, Vimeo, Ministry of Sound Radio, QuicPic, Plex, IMDB, Tune In Radio, Spotify, K9-Mail, CNN, BBC, FireTube, Instagram, imo Pro, Ted, Food Network, AllCast, Zattoo (TV streaming app which contains every TV station in Switzerland, which recording capabilities (fantastic app) and Kodi (which is an absolute must have) on it (these are just the apps I installed today, not done yet). I'm going to start using it in my little studio located in my bomb shelter (I live in Switzerland, it's mandatory to have, the bomb shelter, not the Fire TV). I can only imagine what the new Fire TV 4K is like but if the last generation works this well, I think they just might have a hit on their hands, only a hundred bucks too, wow. Plus, don't forget the USB port that supports peripherals such as; Web Cams, keyboards with a built in trackpad, game controllers (tons of them, pretty much if it's USB, it will work as well as Bluetooth including weird ones like the Wii controller which is great for the NSES emulutor), external HD, SD Card reader (which my version didn't have but wished it did). You can also install apps on either a SD Card or an external HD, plus 4K streaming, cool little box guys. Yes, I'm sure the new Apple TV is better in a lot of areas but the new Fire TV is no slouch either, especially for those who can't afford anything over a 100 bucks. Way to go Amazon and by the way, 40 bucks extra for the game controller is a really good deal, especially for one that is so well built and is probably just as good as the Apple TV's.
but the question is could you acheive the same picture quality as current streaming 4k with a less compressed 1080p stream?
My answer is yes. Gradients/Camera noise, posterization, ect is not because of resolution. It is because of compression. The proof is that Bluray discs that have far less compression than current 1080p streams is just as good or better than 4k streams.
If Netflix did a less compressed 1080p stream it would match their 4k stream in quality. The reason Netflix is pushing 4k streaming is to give an excuse to charge more. They will continue to offer a low quality 1080p stream (compared to Bluray it sucks) and upcharge for fake 4k.
So by your logic, Apple should not have added 4K support to 6S phone but instead just improved the bit rate of the current 1080p offering?
Apple might know a bit more about the market and technology than you think you do.
It does seem a shortsighted decision on their part considering all of the other 4K capabilities (software and hardware) in their new releases.
all it would require is turning it on in software, the A8 already supports 4k decoding and is being run at full power in the apple tv unlike the iPhone where it has to worry about power consumption. The new apple tv already supports hdmi 1.4 which supports 4k resolution. So the question is not if but when apple turns on 4k on the new apple tv.
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1) No, the 3GS arrived less than 6 years ago, and it wasn't discontinued from their store until 3 years ago, which would mean that it was still under factory warranty until jus a year ago depending on the country and if one has AC+, yet you claimed you can't read anything on such a shitty display. Also note those displays were TN panels whereas the Fire tablet is IPS.
2) No, the Fire tablet's 171 PPI is considerably higher than the iPad 2's 131 PPI, and was only discontinued from sale last year 2014, which means that iPad 2's could still be under factory warranty, and they can get iOS 9, yet you fervently claimed it's impossible to read anything on such a shitty display.
Did human eyesight change dramatically in that time that those devices Apple sold for so many years not too long ago are now impossible to use or are you just so incapable of being objective that you can't see how any other product might have a use, even if given a niche example, like digital inventory in a warehouse by minimum wage workers where a $400+ tablet isn't the best option for a variety of reasons when you only need to show a scrolling list of text that may or may not be checkable?
What's that? One drink?
So you'd rather give your employees a crap product to save $100 instead of giving them something that will help productivity that could save you thousands?
More unsubstantiated BS. Where do you get the $100 figure and the thousands of dollars in savings? The Fire tablet looks like a decent tablet, especially for the price. If a business develops a custom app for the Fire that does exactly what it needs, how is that a poor business decision? You can buy 6 Fires for $249.95. That doesn't even buy one iPad.
We got the first TV in our neighborhood in 1949 -- The parents said it was for my 10th birthday, but it was really for the entire family. AIR, it cost about $500, a lot of money in those days.
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It had a 7 inch screen and a pushbutton for each channel (channels 1- 13).
There were only 2 channels broadcasting in Minneapolis and the were on channel 4 and channel 5.
AIR, they would fire up a test pattern about 5:00 PM CT...
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and only broadcast between 6:00 and 9:00 CT.
The shows were all live, a few local, but most were broadcast from NYC.
The biggie in those days was Uncle Miltie ...
Hopefully, to bring some sort of perspective to TV screens/sizes and content ...
We got the first TV in our neighborhood in 1949 -- The parents said it was for my 10th birthday, but it was really for the entire family. AIR, it cost about $500, a lot of money in those days.
It had a 7 inch screen and a pushbutton for each channel (channels 1- 13).
There were only 2 channels broadcasting in Minneapolis and the were on channel 4 and channel 5.
AIR, they would fire up a test pattern about 5:00 PM CT and only broadcast between 6:00 and 9:00 CT.
The shows were all live, one local -
"We had one channel for 1 hour a day and we were grateful for it!"
"We had one channel for 1 hour a day and we were grateful for it!"
We had no TV at all. The signal didn't reach us. I never watched anything until I went away to college.
Other people would say "Don't you remember that show?" Nope!
We rented a furnished apartment with a [I] gasp [/I] Color TV -- the first in our circle of friends.
It had only 2 color broadcast channels (4 & 5) on connectection from Los Angeles.
Nobody went to Vegas to watch TV.
Fast forward to 1964. I got married and moved to Las Vegas with IBM.
We rented a furnished apartment with a gasp Color TV -- the first in our circle of friends.
It had only 2 color broadcast channels (4 & 5) on connectection from Los Angeles.
Nobody went to Vegas to watch TV.
"When I was young, Las Vegas only had one casino...and we were grateful for it!"
We had no TV at all. The signal didn't reach us. I never watched anything until I went away to college.
Other people would say "Don't you remember that show?" Nope!
Lucky you! You probably grew up actually doing something productive with your life!
I bet it was:
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I bet it was:
I bet it was:
The Last Frontier Hotel -- the first casino on the strip.
It was still there -- though abandoned after the mob moved into town.
good read. This part:
"In practice, this means that smaller 4K TVs do not really give much consumer benefit at typical home viewing distances. The average lounge or bedroom viewing distance is typically around 2 meters, but can be much more. At these distances, 4K TVs need to be 80 inches or more for 4K resolution to have its full effect"
In other words for 4k even to matter you either need a massive 80 inch TV or you need to sit extremely close to your TV.
Well you could sit 6' or so away from a 50" 4k screen and be able (barely) to tell 2K from 4K but 6' is close even in a bedroom (unless you have a -really- tiny bedroom, my bedroom screen sits on the wall about 13' from where our heads are on the bed (which is pretty typical)
At real LR distances (10-15' (even 20') viewing distances) yes 80" would be a bare minimum and really, 100" diagonal would be much better.
Here is a handy chart on screen size vs distance (for various resolutions)
http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2013/01/27/resolution_chart.jpg
You know what's really crap? Dissing every product that doesn't have an Apple logo or telling someone that they have bought their child a "POS" tablet when it works perfectly fine in the capacity it was bought for. My son's Kindle Fire HDX is in a protective case, he likes it, I like it, and it was reasonably priced. It doesn't crash on him, it works every time he turns it on and he's happy to use it.
That's all that matters to me (and to him). What's really appalling is when people that have an axe to grind can't see past their own biases to see things through the eyes of others. I love my Apple products, but I don't talk s**t about every other competing product on the market because there are better things to exert my energy on.
And BTW, my son's HDX was bought in July 2014; it's still going strong.
Don't get upset, these kind of remarks are the norm here. Sog does have a point though, these new tablets are nothing like the HDX series that you have, which are absolutely superb products by the way. I have one as well, a HDX 8.9, 64GB LTE model, not only is it extremely well built (I mean really well built, probably one of the best built tablets I have ever seen), really fast, super long lasting battery, but Amazon has been spot on with regular updates. I just upgraded mine to Fire OS 5.0 (still in beta for the HDX), which is by the way awesome, not to mention a lot more attractive. I also dug out my Fire TV yesterday after the announcement, which I had moth balled because I now use an Nvidia Shield, to install the update. You know what, it's a really good TV set-box and by the way, I don't subscribe to a single Amazon service, well, except for Kindle. I installed a few games, Nova 3, Modern Combat 3,4,5, ShadowGun 1,2, GTA 3; Vice City, San Andreas, Asphalt 8, Mine Craft, Limbo, AVP: Evolution, Deus Ex: The Fall, Call Of Duty Strike, etc. hooked up an Xbox Controller to it, which works flawlessly and installed, FX File Explorer (so I can mount all of cloud storage and NAS), VLC, PopCorn Time, NetFlix, BBM, Skype, FireFox, Revision 3, tubitv, IGN, Vimeo, Ministry of Sound Radio, QuicPic, Plex, IMDB, Tune In Radio, Spotify, K9-Mail, CNN, BBC, FireTube, Instagram, imo Pro, Ted, Food Network, AllCast, Zattoo (TV streaming app which contains every TV station in Switzerland, which recording capabilities (fantastic app) and Kodi (which is an absolute must have) on it (these are just the apps I installed today, not done yet). I'm going to start using it in my little studio located in my bomb shelter (I live in Switzerland, it's mandatory to have, the bomb shelter, not the Fire TV). I can only imagine what the new Fire TV 4K is like but if the last generation works this well, I think they just might have a hit on their hands, only a hundred bucks too, wow. Plus, don't forget the USB port that supports peripherals such as; Web Cams, keyboards with a built in trackpad, game controllers (tons of them, pretty much if it's USB, it will work as well as Bluetooth including weird ones like the Wii controller which is great for the NSES emulutor), external HD, SD Card reader (which my version didn't have but wished it did). You can also install apps on either a SD Card or an external HD, plus 4K streaming, cool little box guys. Yes, I'm sure the new Apple TV is better in a lot of areas but the new Fire TV is no slouch either, especially for those who can't afford anything over a 100 bucks. Way to go Amazon and by the way, 40 bucks extra for the game controller is a really good deal, especially for one that is so well built and is probably just as good as the Apple TV's.
but the question is could you acheive the same picture quality as current streaming 4k with a less compressed 1080p stream?
My answer is yes. Gradients/Camera noise, posterization, ect is not because of resolution. It is because of compression. The proof is that Bluray discs that have far less compression than current 1080p streams is just as good or better than 4k streams.
If Netflix did a less compressed 1080p stream it would match their 4k stream in quality. The reason Netflix is pushing 4k streaming is to give an excuse to charge more. They will continue to offer a low quality 1080p stream (compared to Bluray it sucks) and upcharge for fake 4k.
So by your logic, Apple should not have added 4K support to 6S phone but instead just improved the bit rate of the current 1080p offering?
Apple might know a bit more about the market and technology than you think you do.
It does seem a shortsighted decision on their part considering all of the other 4K capabilities (software and hardware) in their new releases.
all it would require is turning it on in software, the A8 already supports 4k decoding and is being run at full power in the apple tv unlike the iPhone where it has to worry about power consumption. The new apple tv already supports hdmi 1.4 which supports 4k resolution. So the question is not if but when apple turns on 4k on the new apple tv.
Yay! Next year will include last years technology!!
I love the TV posts above!