102: Apple computers do what you wan't them to, not the other way around. Mac OS X is so customisable.
103: Windoze XP takes over two minutes to start up and log in!
104: Multitasking, you don't have to wait while you peripherals configure. or while you copy a file.
105: Mac OS X Loves the jobs you hate
No more extensions clashes, no more memory partitions, I can run all my apps at once and Mac OS X just can't run out of memory
106: Let's face it, Windoze PCs are just a cheap alternative to real computers, when do you hear anyone raving about Windoze XP? Never. Someone showed it to me yesterday and my microwave oven has a better OS! There were just constant problems, errors and the HD never stopped spinning,
So what about the new features of Jaguar? Good God!
I suggest, download QuickTime 6 and watch the latest Macworld seminar, I wouldn't go through the whole two hours if were you, just watch the most interesting parts like I did: Rendezvous & Sherlock were two of the best.
[quote] You mac people got to be kidding! Your top of the line powermac runs at a gig with pc 133memory a 133system bus and a blah blah blah blah...<hr></blockquote>
Yes, Okay building your own computers is an advantage to PCs, but we don't really care because we don't need a whole new motherboard to run the new Shockwave Flash plugin update, I see these adverts saying "the new Pentium p20-12v has the power to bring the internet to life" Would this be the same life-bringing power which, on Macs, comes from a free download? Anyway what do you call the G4 tower? That's an expandable case. Except why build it yourself when it already comes ready to run?
Anyway, you don't need to shout about it. Typical PC user, that's obviously why! They need something to argue with.
So what about the new features of Jaguar? Good God!
I suggest, download QuickTime 6 and watch the latest Macworld seminar, I would go through the whole two hours if were you, just watch the most interesting parts like I did: Rendezvous & Sherlock were two of the best.
Yea and this proprietary control is the main reason for a pathetic 2% market share and a company that is always on the verge of going out of business from one quarter to another!
102: Apple computers do what you wan't them to, not the other way around. Mac OS X is so customisable.
103: Windoze XP takes over two minutes to start up and log in!
104: Multitasking, you don't have to wait while you peripherals configure. or while you copy a file.
105: Mac OS X Loves the jobs you hate
No more extensions clashes, no more memory partitions, I can run all my apps at once and Mac OS X just can't run out of memory
106: Let's face it, Windoze PCs are just a cheap alternative to real computers, when do you hear anyone raving about Windoze XP? Never. Someone showed it to me yesterday and my microwave oven has a better OS! There were just constant problems, errors and the HD never stopped spinning,
Andrew
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: Andrew Xt ]</strong><hr></blockquote> You don't hear windows users going on about xp because they don't have to it's the world standard os!!! On the other hand osx runs on a platform that has a pathetic 2% market share!!! A platform that is irrelavent!! So mac people having an inferiority complex run around talking up the mac platform! If you were a software vender would you want to produce software for a platform with 2% market share or would you produce software for a platform that was the world standard??? You see if mac people don't run around telling people about their platform software venders would simply ignore it! Then you would have a computer with no software to run on it! As it is you don't have much now, even with all the screaming and whining that mac people are known for!!!
I have to uses a Windows machine all day at work, and damn it, until I get home, I miss my Mac.
Just the little things I can do, the way it fits my way of dealing with the information I have to deal with, the way it hides the garbage of how it does what it does well out of my way.
At the end of the day, it's diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks. Personally I prefer Macs.
I don't give a blind fsck how fast it goes: my criteria is, does it do what I want it to do?
Yes, Okay building your own computers is an advantage to PCs, but we don't really care because we don't need a whole new motherboard to run the new Shockwave Flash plugin update, I see these adverts saying "the new Pentium p20-12v has the power to bring the internet to life" Would this be the same life-bringing power which, on Macs, comes from a free download? Anyway what do you call the G4 tower? That's an expandable case. Except why build it yourself when it already comes ready to run?
Anyway, you don't need to shout about it. Typical PC user, that's obviously why! They need something to argue with.
Andrew
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: Andrew Xt ]</strong><hr></blockquote>How is this computer expandable?? What! You can add pc133 memory! Thats what you call expandable! Ohhh you must mean you can add a video card! What! You have one or 2 hardware venders for video cards! You mac addicts not only pay twice as much for your computers you pay about 1/3 more for comparable software and hardware peripherals!!!
<strong> You don't hear windows users going on about xp because they don't have to it's the world standard os!!! On the other hand osx runs on a platform that has a pathetic 2% market share!!! A platform that is irrelavent!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Standard = de facto?
So it's a popularity contest, I see. Let's not forget that popularity (aka, quantity) has nothing to do with something's quality or validity.
[quote]<strong>...mac people having an inferiority complex... ...all the screaming and whining that mac people are known for!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Speaking of "inferiority complexes" not to mention, "screaming and whining" ...uh, what were you saying?
We can live with Linux, Mac OS, Windows, etc. without this silly "Macs suck!"/"PCs suck!" bullshit. Get over the fact that some people like things that you don't. That goes for everyone. Get a life!
Re to 41 : This is due to Windows being the major platform, it would be the oppisite if Macs were on 90% of computers. The spyware would be on Macs then.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
That may be so... but since the spyware isn't on Macs, it's an advantage regardless of why!
Company view Total Cost of Ownership of Macintoshes is much much lower.
rBald: I don't care to pay extra for my mac , or my mac periphals. And that is my choice.
(I know that Apple will use that money in a right way (research and development)
Don't be so childish shouting that argument again and again. Go buy your cheap pc
Speed is of no concern to me either. I just buy a mac every 5 years or so . And only the last of those 5 years I feel that I need more speed.
And you? you pay 1000 $ for a PC that you need to upgrade every year to play the latest games? (I'm assuming you are a kid , seeing the way you talk and argument)
Company view Total Cost of Ownership of Macintoshes is much much lower.
rBald: I don't care to pay extra for my mac , or my mac periphals. And that is my choice.
(I know that Apple will use that money in a right way (research and development)
Don't be so childish shouting that argument again and again. Go buy your cheap pc
Speed is of no concern to me either. I just buy a mac every 5 years or so . And only the last of those 5 years I feel that I need more speed.
And you? you pay 1000 $ for a PC that you need to upgrade every year to play the latest games? (I'm assuming you are a kid , seeing the way you talk and argument)
Isn't a console a better choice(cheaper) then?</strong><hr></blockquote>Ohh apple uses the extra money they charge for their computers for r&d! Is that why the power mac line uses a 133bus and pc133 memory! Or the imac line is still using a 100mhz bus and pc100 memory!! Whats that! Dated by what 3 years! Yea i guess that r&d is really paying off!!
[quote] ...mac people having an inferiority complex... ...all the screaming and whining that mac people are known for!!! <hr></blockquote>
You are the one coming onto a message board titled AppleInsider picking fights. Sounds like you are somewhat insecure about your OS, but remember, it's not the size that matters, it's how you use it. Oh yeah, pay more attention in English class, grammar rules!
OK, I copied/pasted all the replies, ordered them all (there were huge gaps in the numbers, re numbered them), and removed duplicate/joke advantages. So here we go!
1: Mac OS X NEVER crashes!!!
2. No .dll hell.
3. No Windows Product Activation
4: No crappy support.
5: HUGE selection of free software
6: No WinXP!
7. Drag and drop - very poorly supported in windows
8. USB works without hassle. Plug and play, not plug and pray! (win 95 -> winXP, still the same)
9. I don't have to plug the mouse to the back of the computer
10. Moving files can be done even if they're open
11. UI is nicer to look at
12. No Serial numbers needed
13. More logical structure to system hierarchy
14. Made by a company that is not run by Bill Gates!
15: Services (NeXT thing)
16: Global menubar
17: nice HI Guidelines that developers stick to
18: Quartz-style antiaiasing
19: A "fluid" UI
20: Final Cut Pro
21: the free "iApps" - iTunes, iMovie, iDVD, iPhoto, iChat
22: UNIX foundation with a powerful terminal
23: Seamless integration over the UNIX foundation -- you only see the UNIX if you want to
24: No viruses to worry about
25: The clean organization of System Preferences
26: Apps aren't dependent on an open window to be open
27: Spring-loaded folders
28: Pretty icons
29. Lack of Ad-Aware due to the lack of #$#@ spyware slowing windows down
30. Minimize really looks cool
31. Dock sure beats the taskbar
32. Force quit actually works
33. MS Office X is better on this side (even Microsoft admits this)
33. Things just work. Printing, cd burning, mice, networks, everything.
34. A laptop that gets enough battery life to be actually useful.
35. OS X
36. Easy backup and reinstallation (if needed).
37. Drag and drop installation of applications.
38. Drag and dump uninstallation of applications.
39. The iPod.
40. Disk images.
41. UNIX so web development is a dream (built in mySQL, PHP4, Apache web serving, ftp server, Pearl, CGI - for free)
42. You don't click "Start" to shut down
43. You don't have to OK all 10 windows when you install something
44. You don't have to supervise your computer through the startup process
45. Well thought out industrial design
46. They look AMAZING (both the OS and the computer itself)
47. Mac's can run all flavors of windows, can windows run Mac OSX?
48. Easy for the first time user
49. Setting up computer (when you buy it) couldnt be easier.
50. Doesnt take 1hrs+ to install new OS!!!!
51. The ease and simplicity of the hardware and software
52. Consistant interface accross most apps (in windows there are about 3 or 4 different save dialogs, in windows there are many different print dialog windows, many window programs don't use the same shortcut key combinations and many don't use any at all)
53. When you do an install, you can still do other things (most installs on windows will take up the whole screen and not let you do anything during it and will require at least 1 restart in between each install, eg VS.Net: requires 6 restarts to install VS.Net and all its components on WinNT)
54. The mac is much more intuitive to do everything. You don't have to know hidden key combinations or right click on everything to figure out how to do something
55. IE isn't built into the OS so if IE crashes, the whole OS doesn't freeze (a well known major problem in win2k that was never fixed)
56. No MS creating their own 'standards' to screw up the true standards (java vs C#, MP3 vs WMA, {any video standard} vs WMV, HTML vs MS's own IE forced HTML, directX vs openGL)
57. The mac os is on the good side of the law, it doesnt perform illegal operations
58: Macs tell you "not enough space on disk" BEFORE you start copying
59. Apple scripts easy automation
60. Tight integration between the hardware and software, only possible because Apple controls every aspect of the Mac
61. You keep your data, Mac OS X doesn't have a knack for doing the nasty nasty to your hard drive
62. You don't have to reinstall the operating system on a periodic basis.
63. After buying your computer, it gets faster annually on a regular basis (OS X upgrades.)
64: Multitasking, you don't have to wait while you peripherals configure. or while you copy a file, and Mac OSX can any number of programs running at once well - windows dies after 2 hit the CPU simultaneously. eg I am running 8 programs at once on Mac OSX, some with multiple windows open and all doing something - and it feels just as fast as if I was running the one program
65. Integrated media system (quicktime). Everything that plays movie/audio is linked to a central system (quicktime), so when that is upgraded (eg MP3pro support, or MPEG4), ALL programs can use it straight away, and when it is sped up - all programs are sped up
66. Mac OSX is recognised by linux groups as the best implementation of a *nix system, due to its high appeal, features and rapid progress over time in development
68. Instant on for laptops. Friggin cool on my friends TiG4, my mums P3 notebook takes about 10-15 seconds to go into sleep, and several to come out of it. Ti goes in and out of it in under a second!
But lets face it, PC hardware is better, and Linux is amazing, fast, and rubs me the right way
BUT, even with slightly slower hardware, its worth it for OS X. I've used PC's and yes I love the speed you get...of course i'd only go AMD and you have to build ur own computer. But linux just doesn't have the features and greatness that Apple can give you.
Give me a high end PC running Linux and i'm loving it, i'll think its amazing.
Give me a high end Mac runnign OS X and i'm loving it, i'll think its amazing-er
Comments
102: Apple computers do what you wan't them to, not the other way around. Mac OS X is so customisable.
103: Windoze XP takes over two minutes to start up and log in!
104: Multitasking, you don't have to wait while you peripherals configure. or while you copy a file.
105: Mac OS X Loves the jobs you hate
No more extensions clashes, no more memory partitions, I can run all my apps at once and Mac OS X just can't run out of memory
106: Let's face it, Windoze PCs are just a cheap alternative to real computers, when do you hear anyone raving about Windoze XP? Never. Someone showed it to me yesterday and my microwave oven has a better OS! There were just constant problems, errors and the HD never stopped spinning,
Andrew
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: Andrew Xt ]</p>
I suggest, download QuickTime 6 and watch the latest Macworld seminar, I wouldn't go through the whole two hours if were you, just watch the most interesting parts like I did: Rendezvous & Sherlock were two of the best.
That reminds me
101: Quicktime 6
Andrew
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: Andrew Xt ]</p>
Yes, Okay building your own computers is an advantage to PCs, but we don't really care because we don't need a whole new motherboard to run the new Shockwave Flash plugin update, I see these adverts saying "the new Pentium p20-12v has the power to bring the internet to life" Would this be the same life-bringing power which, on Macs, comes from a free download? Anyway what do you call the G4 tower? That's an expandable case. Except why build it yourself when it already comes ready to run?
Anyway, you don't need to shout about it. Typical PC user, that's obviously why! They need something to argue with.
Andrew
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: Andrew Xt ]</p>
I suggest, download QuickTime 6 and watch the latest Macworld seminar, I would go through the whole two hours if were you, just watch the most interesting parts like I did: Rendezvous & Sherlock were two of the best.
That reminds me
101: Quicktime 6
Andrew
<strong>
Excellent point.
94. Tight integration between the hardware and software, only possible because Apple controls every aspect of the Mac.
[ 08-10-2002: Message edited by: RodUK ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yea and this proprietary control is the main reason for a pathetic 2% market share and a company that is always on the verge of going out of business from one quarter to another!
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>Where do I start?
102: Apple computers do what you wan't them to, not the other way around. Mac OS X is so customisable.
103: Windoze XP takes over two minutes to start up and log in!
104: Multitasking, you don't have to wait while you peripherals configure. or while you copy a file.
105: Mac OS X Loves the jobs you hate
No more extensions clashes, no more memory partitions, I can run all my apps at once and Mac OS X just can't run out of memory
106: Let's face it, Windoze PCs are just a cheap alternative to real computers, when do you hear anyone raving about Windoze XP? Never. Someone showed it to me yesterday and my microwave oven has a better OS! There were just constant problems, errors and the HD never stopped spinning,
Andrew
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: Andrew Xt ]</strong><hr></blockquote> You don't hear windows users going on about xp because they don't have to it's the world standard os!!! On the other hand osx runs on a platform that has a pathetic 2% market share!!! A platform that is irrelavent!! So mac people having an inferiority complex run around talking up the mac platform! If you were a software vender would you want to produce software for a platform with 2% market share or would you produce software for a platform that was the world standard??? You see if mac people don't run around telling people about their platform software venders would simply ignore it! Then you would have a computer with no software to run on it! As it is you don't have much now, even with all the screaming and whining that mac people are known for!!!
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: rbald ]
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: rbald ]</p>
Just the little things I can do, the way it fits my way of dealing with the information I have to deal with, the way it hides the garbage of how it does what it does well out of my way.
At the end of the day, it's diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks. Personally I prefer Macs.
I don't give a blind fsck how fast it goes: my criteria is, does it do what I want it to do?
Macs do, Windoze don't.
<strong>
Yes, Okay building your own computers is an advantage to PCs, but we don't really care because we don't need a whole new motherboard to run the new Shockwave Flash plugin update, I see these adverts saying "the new Pentium p20-12v has the power to bring the internet to life" Would this be the same life-bringing power which, on Macs, comes from a free download? Anyway what do you call the G4 tower? That's an expandable case. Except why build it yourself when it already comes ready to run?
Anyway, you don't need to shout about it. Typical PC user, that's obviously why! They need something to argue with.
Andrew
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: Andrew Xt ]</strong><hr></blockquote>How is this computer expandable?? What! You can add pc133 memory! Thats what you call expandable! Ohhh you must mean you can add a video card! What! You have one or 2 hardware venders for video cards! You mac addicts not only pay twice as much for your computers you pay about 1/3 more for comparable software and hardware peripherals!!!
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: rbald ]</p>
<strong> You don't hear windows users going on about xp because they don't have to it's the world standard os!!! On the other hand osx runs on a platform that has a pathetic 2% market share!!! A platform that is irrelavent!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Standard = de facto?
So it's a popularity contest, I see. Let's not forget that popularity (aka, quantity) has nothing to do with something's quality or validity.
[quote]<strong>...mac people having an inferiority complex... ...all the screaming and whining that mac people are known for!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Speaking of "inferiority complexes" not to mention, "screaming and whining" ...uh, what were you saying?
We can live with Linux, Mac OS, Windows, etc. without this silly "Macs suck!"/"PCs suck!" bullshit. Get over the fact that some people like things that you don't. That goes for everyone. Get a life!
<strong>
Re to 41 : This is due to Windows being the major platform, it would be the oppisite if Macs were on 90% of computers. The spyware would be on Macs then.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
That may be so... but since the spyware isn't on Macs, it's an advantage regardless of why!
Amorya
Company view Total Cost of Ownership of Macintoshes is much much lower.
rBald: I don't care to pay extra for my mac , or my mac periphals. And that is my choice.
(I know that Apple will use that money in a right way (research and development)
Don't be so childish shouting that argument again and again. Go buy your cheap pc
Speed is of no concern to me either. I just buy a mac every 5 years or so . And only the last of those 5 years I feel that I need more speed.
And you? you pay 1000 $ for a PC that you need to upgrade every year to play the latest games? (I'm assuming you are a kid , seeing the way you talk and argument)
Isn't a console a better choice(cheaper) then?
<strong>105:
Company view Total Cost of Ownership of Macintoshes is much much lower.
rBald: I don't care to pay extra for my mac , or my mac periphals. And that is my choice.
(I know that Apple will use that money in a right way (research and development)
Don't be so childish shouting that argument again and again. Go buy your cheap pc
Speed is of no concern to me either. I just buy a mac every 5 years or so . And only the last of those 5 years I feel that I need more speed.
And you? you pay 1000 $ for a PC that you need to upgrade every year to play the latest games? (I'm assuming you are a kid , seeing the way you talk and argument)
Isn't a console a better choice(cheaper) then?</strong><hr></blockquote>Ohh apple uses the extra money they charge for their computers for r&d! Is that why the power mac line uses a 133bus and pc133 memory! Or the imac line is still using a 100mhz bus and pc100 memory!! Whats that! Dated by what 3 years! Yea i guess that r&d is really paying off!!
You are the one coming onto a message board titled AppleInsider picking fights. Sounds like you are somewhat insecure about your OS, but remember, it's not the size that matters, it's how you use it. Oh yeah, pay more attention in English class, grammar rules!
1: Mac OS X NEVER crashes!!!
2. No .dll hell.
3. No Windows Product Activation
4: No crappy support.
5: HUGE selection of free software
6: No WinXP!
7. Drag and drop - very poorly supported in windows
8. USB works without hassle. Plug and play, not plug and pray! (win 95 -> winXP, still the same)
9. I don't have to plug the mouse to the back of the computer
10. Moving files can be done even if they're open
11. UI is nicer to look at
12. No Serial numbers needed
13. More logical structure to system hierarchy
14. Made by a company that is not run by Bill Gates!
15: Services (NeXT thing)
16: Global menubar
17: nice HI Guidelines that developers stick to
18: Quartz-style antiaiasing
19: A "fluid" UI
20: Final Cut Pro
21: the free "iApps" - iTunes, iMovie, iDVD, iPhoto, iChat
22: UNIX foundation with a powerful terminal
23: Seamless integration over the UNIX foundation -- you only see the UNIX if you want to
24: No viruses to worry about
25: The clean organization of System Preferences
26: Apps aren't dependent on an open window to be open
27: Spring-loaded folders
28: Pretty icons
29. Lack of Ad-Aware due to the lack of #$#@ spyware slowing windows down
30. Minimize really looks cool
31. Dock sure beats the taskbar
32. Force quit actually works
33. MS Office X is better on this side (even Microsoft admits this)
33. Things just work. Printing, cd burning, mice, networks, everything.
34. A laptop that gets enough battery life to be actually useful.
35. OS X
36. Easy backup and reinstallation (if needed).
37. Drag and drop installation of applications.
38. Drag and dump uninstallation of applications.
39. The iPod.
40. Disk images.
41. UNIX so web development is a dream (built in mySQL, PHP4, Apache web serving, ftp server, Pearl, CGI - for free)
42. You don't click "Start" to shut down
43. You don't have to OK all 10 windows when you install something
44. You don't have to supervise your computer through the startup process
45. Well thought out industrial design
46. They look AMAZING (both the OS and the computer itself)
47. Mac's can run all flavors of windows, can windows run Mac OSX?
48. Easy for the first time user
49. Setting up computer (when you buy it) couldnt be easier.
50. Doesnt take 1hrs+ to install new OS!!!!
51. The ease and simplicity of the hardware and software
52. Consistant interface accross most apps (in windows there are about 3 or 4 different save dialogs, in windows there are many different print dialog windows, many window programs don't use the same shortcut key combinations and many don't use any at all)
53. When you do an install, you can still do other things (most installs on windows will take up the whole screen and not let you do anything during it and will require at least 1 restart in between each install, eg VS.Net: requires 6 restarts to install VS.Net and all its components on WinNT)
54. The mac is much more intuitive to do everything. You don't have to know hidden key combinations or right click on everything to figure out how to do something
55. IE isn't built into the OS so if IE crashes, the whole OS doesn't freeze (a well known major problem in win2k that was never fixed)
56. No MS creating their own 'standards' to screw up the true standards (java vs C#, MP3 vs WMA, {any video standard} vs WMV, HTML vs MS's own IE forced HTML, directX vs openGL)
57. The mac os is on the good side of the law, it doesnt perform illegal operations
58: Macs tell you "not enough space on disk" BEFORE you start copying
59. Apple scripts easy automation
60. Tight integration between the hardware and software, only possible because Apple controls every aspect of the Mac
61. You keep your data, Mac OS X doesn't have a knack for doing the nasty nasty to your hard drive
62. You don't have to reinstall the operating system on a periodic basis.
63. After buying your computer, it gets faster annually on a regular basis (OS X upgrades.)
64: Multitasking, you don't have to wait while you peripherals configure. or while you copy a file, and Mac OSX can any number of programs running at once well - windows dies after 2 hit the CPU simultaneously. eg I am running 8 programs at once on Mac OSX, some with multiple windows open and all doing something - and it feels just as fast as if I was running the one program
65. Integrated media system (quicktime). Everything that plays movie/audio is linked to a central system (quicktime), so when that is upgraded (eg MP3pro support, or MPEG4), ALL programs can use it straight away, and when it is sped up - all programs are sped up
66. Mac OSX is recognised by linux groups as the best implementation of a *nix system, due to its high appeal, features and rapid progress over time in development
More more!
[ 08-15-2002: Message edited by: gordy ]</p>
68. Instant on for laptops. Friggin cool on my friends TiG4, my mums P3 notebook takes about 10-15 seconds to go into sleep, and several to come out of it. Ti goes in and out of it in under a second!
But lets face it, PC hardware is better, and Linux is amazing, fast, and rubs me the right way
BUT, even with slightly slower hardware, its worth it for OS X. I've used PC's and yes I love the speed you get...of course i'd only go AMD and you have to build ur own computer. But linux just doesn't have the features and greatness that Apple can give you.
Give me a high end PC running Linux and i'm loving it, i'll think its amazing.
Give me a high end Mac runnign OS X and i'm loving it, i'll think its amazing-er