You can place any context consumption App on as long as Apple get's their cut on content. Buy or rent a movie, Apple wants their cut. Have a subscription for content like Cable, Hulu, Netflix or countless others... you are welcome to add your Apple too.
I think the issue is not the Apple is preventing Amazon from adding an app, the issue is that Amazon doesn't want to pay Apple when someone wants to rent or buy content directly from the Apple TV. They know its too much of a PITA to switch between your Apple TV set top box and a web browser to buy or rent content.
For those thinking Apple TV 4 will have an Amazon App for sure.... consider what is going to be different from Amazon's point of view....in terms of Apple getting their cut for Amazon rented or purchased directly from the Apple TV.
Hasn't stopped Netflix from having an app, at a time when all apps had to be developed by Apple. Doesn't stop Amazon having a Kindle or Amazon Prime app on iPads.
I honestly don't think it's the 30% cut that's stopping them, because if it was they'd have abandoned the iOS platform as well, instead of just cutting in-app purchases.
I agree that this is a bonehead move by Amazon. Do you go to Amazon to figure out what which device you want? Or do you figure out which device you want and then go to Amazon to buy it? This will have zero impact on influencing people to buy an Amazon device rather than an Apple device.
But...
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2
There is a grave difference between "not selling something" and "banning" it. Every retailer can decide what he sells, what he gives shelf space to etc.
The Amazon Marketplace has thousands of third party resellers, and it has a dominating position in many markets, while neither physical nor online Apple Stores have a dominating position in anything anywhere.
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Originally Posted by wood1208
But, it is not fair for those marketplace people that Amazon banning them from selling. They ship from their home or store and don't take physical space in Amazon warehouses. In fact, Amazon makes money on them by providing few mbytes of cloud space to advertise.
Apple has plenty of restrictions on 3rd party apps in the App Store and does not allow certain things. Yes, it's a little different, but along the same lines. In Apple's case it's a clear attempt to get more money (their 30% cut of everything). In Amazon's case it's just silliness that will have no effect.
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Originally Posted by snova
You can place any context consumption App on as long as Apple get's their cut on content. Buy or rent a movie, Apple wants their cut. Have a subscription for content like Cable, Hulu, Netflix or countless others... you are welcome to add your Apple too.
I think the issue is not the Apple is preventing Amazon from adding an app, the issue is that Amazon doesn't want to pay Apple when someone wants to rent or buy content directly from the Apple TV. They know its too much of a PITA to switch between your Apple TV set top box and a web browser to buy or rent content.
For those thinking Apple TV 4 will have an Amazon App for sure.... consider what is going to be different from Amazon's point of view....in terms of Apple getting their cut for Amazon rented or purchased directly from the Apple TV.
This makes more sense than anything else said here. Perhaps Amazon is trying to pull a Taylor Swift. It won't work, but that may be what's influencing their actions...thinking they can using Apple TV sales as a leverage to get Apple to agree to a better revenue split.
Hasn't stopped Netflix from having an app, at a time when all apps had to be developed by Apple. Doesn't stop Amazon having a Kindle or Amazon Prime app on iPads.
I honestly don't think it's the 30% cut that's stopping them, because if it was they'd have abandoned the iOS platform as well, instead of just cutting in-app purchases.
The 30% wipes out their profits but they probably see some value in being on the platform.
This is similar to a mall owner not allowing a store to sell certain items because its in direct competition
unfortunately happens all the time. I see large stores in a mall, push the landlord to get rid of other smaller stores which compete with the larger tenant.
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Originally Posted by Wiggin
I agree that this is a bonehead move by Amazon. Do you go to Amazon to figure out what which device you want? Or do you figure out which device you want and then go to Amazon to buy it? This will have zero impact on influencing people to buy an Amazon device rather than an Apple device.
But...
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2
There is a grave difference between "not selling something" and "banning" it. Every retailer can decide what he sells, what he gives shelf space to etc.
The Amazon Marketplace has thousands of third party resellers, and it has a dominating position in many markets, while neither physical nor online Apple Stores have a dominating position in anything anywhere.
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Originally Posted by wood1208
But, it is not fair for those marketplace people that Amazon banning them from selling. They ship from their home or store and don't take physical space in Amazon warehouses. In fact, Amazon makes money on them by providing few mbytes of cloud space to advertise.
Apple has plenty of restrictions on 3rd party apps in the App Store and does not allow certain things. Yes, it's a little different, but along the same lines. In Apple's case it's a clear attempt to get more money (their 30% cut of everything). In Amazon's case it's just silliness that will have no effect.
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Originally Posted by snova
You can place any context consumption App on as long as Apple get's their cut on content. Buy or rent a movie, Apple wants their cut. Have a subscription for content like Cable, Hulu, Netflix or countless others... you are welcome to add your Apple too.
I think the issue is not the Apple is preventing Amazon from adding an app, the issue is that Amazon doesn't want to pay Apple when someone wants to rent or buy content directly from the Apple TV. They know its too much of a PITA to switch between your Apple TV set top box and a web browser to buy or rent content.
For those thinking Apple TV 4 will have an Amazon App for sure.... consider what is going to be different from Amazon's point of view....in terms of Apple getting their cut for Amazon rented or purchased directly from the Apple TV.
This makes more sense than anything else said here. Perhaps Amazon is trying to pull a Taylor Swift. It won't work, but that may be what's influencing their actions...thinking they can using Apple TV sales as a leverage to get Apple to agree to a better revenue split.
maybe.. Amazon no longer sell ANY iOS devices directly. All things like iPad or iPhones, for which require you to use a web browser workaround for their Amazon Video App (to avoid the 30% cut from Apple are no longer sold by Amazon directly. So it makes sense for them to stop selling AppleTV directly also.
Of course this does not stop third party merchants from reselling iPhone, iPads and AppleTV on Amazon. Like they are already doing. Amazon doesn't have to sell Apple product directly out of spite, the 3rd party merchants will do it for them. So its just silly.
This is certainly an odd development. But frankly, who cares? You can buy AppleTV at a few thousand places. All this development means is that Amazon is forgoing the opportunity to make that particular sale. Retailers are always making decisions about what they decide to sell. I plan to drive up to the foothills and visit the Apple Store to get a look at the device. If I am impressed I will probably buy it right there. It will also be at Best Buy, Walmart, Target, and several other places that are more convenient but I want a chance to get a better look at the product and speak to salesmen who might actually know something about it.
Amazon has no relevance in that process and it will almost certainly be selling AppleTV later. So late adopters will have Amazon as an option for buying AppleTV once it becomes a phenomenon when apps for it proliferate.
Big difference from banning a racist product vs a product that may compete with your own product.
Again banning 3rd party sellers from selling certain items based strictly on competition is anti-trust.
This is similar to a mall owner not allowing a store to sell certain items because its in direct competition
The flag being racist is debatable. What Amazon is doing isn't an anti trust violation. It doesn't fall under anti trust laws because consumers still have options for buying the Apple TV and Chromecast at other places. This is no different from Apple banning and refusing to sell competitor products in its stores.
I wonder if part of the problem is Amazon's implementation for Prime Video. I know if I stream on Safari they are using Silverlight, which is no longer supported by Microsoft and doesn't run on Chrome anymore. Maybe they don't have an HTML5 implementation? Just a guess. Also just to add when I run on my Mac it flags the Silverlight plugin as using significant energy in Safari even when it is paused.
You need to visit the store if you're ever in NYC. It's like walking onto a set of a Mel Brooks movie.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> Last time I was in NYC, I actually walked by the store. I unfortunately never went inside. That's probably a good thing though.
The 30% wipes out their profits but they probably see some value in being on the platform.
Except they aren't paying the 30%, since they don't use Apple's in-app purchasing. For Netflix and Amazon, all purchases are made through their webpages, then you log in with your account on the Apple device, and you access it from there. Apple don't see any of the transactions..
My point is that they already have a workaround for the 30% charge, and it doesn't make sense that they would not just use it in the case of Amazon Prime Video on the Apple TV.
My point is that they already have a workaround for the 30% charge, and it doesn't make sense that they would not just use it in the case of Amazon Prime Video on the Apple TV.
The workaround is even more of PITA on AppleTV (which does not have a browser) and Amazon knows it. On iPad or iPhone, at least its less of a PITA as you don't have to go to a different device to purchase context.
This is why HBO, Showtime and Netflix are willing to the hit on a cut when a customer decides to signup for their service directly on AppleTV. Payments come straight from iTunes account and Apple takes a cut.
Why would they allow this when a workaround is possible? Because its a much bigger PITA to work around on Apple TV than iPhone/iPad.
Amazon is not willing to do this for their rental and purchased movies on AppleTV. So no App on AppleTV. I doubt inclusion of an App store on AppleTV 4 will change Amazon's position on this.
What's the difference between an iOS app and ?TV "channel"? Amazon has apps on iOS. Are the terms different for ?TV?
I think what Amazon did is silly but I also don't agree with Apple getting a 30% cut of reoccurring subscriptions. If I sign up for Netflix why should Apple get 30% of that subscription on an ongoing basis? Apple isn't hosting or streaming the content. Perhaps in the case of subscription services Apple should allow different payment options in-app. Let Spotify, Netflix etc. be responsible for the transaction rather than demanding a 30% cut.
Perhaps Amazon is trying to pull a Taylor Swift. It won't work, but that may be what's influencing their actions...thinking they can using Apple TV sales as a leverage to get Apple to agree to a better revenue split.
You made me picture Jeff Bezos dancing around wearing red lipstick, tight leather shorts, and a blonde wig.
This is clearly an anti-trust violation. So obvious Amazon is paying $$$ to DC and the courts.
Short memory?
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Originally Posted by sog35
Don't mess with Apple.
PERIOD.
Samdung - profits down 60%. Can be directly attributed to Apple entering the Phablet market
Google - profits down 7%. Apple just needs to default search away from Google and their profits will drop 50%. That is litearlly one software update away
This is a non story and will probably only backfire for Amazon. It doesn't really matter, but as a customer of both Apple and Amazon, they are annoying me. They can't really think this will push people to their devices, can they?
The workaround is even more of PITA on AppleTV (which does not have a browser) and Amazon knows it. On iPad or iPhone, at least its less of a PITA as you don't have to go to a different device to purchase context.
This is why HBO, Showtime and Netflix are willing to the hit on a cut when a customer decides to signup for their service directly on AppleTV. Payments come straight from iTunes account and Apple takes a cut.
Why would they allow this when a workaround is possible? Because its a much bigger PITA to work around on Apple TV than iPhone/iPad.
Amazon is not willing to do this for their rental and purchased movies on AppleTV. So no App on AppleTV. I doubt inclusion of an App store on AppleTV 4 will change Amazon's position on this.
Can you sign up for Netflix from your AppleTV? I haven't seen it as an option. I had to go to the website to join before I could use it on either my AppleTV or my iPad.
HBO and Showtime I can't speak to since they're not available in this market. HBO did do a big thing about their new service being exclusive to Apple for the first month or so, which suggests they did a deal with Apple over pricing.
Apple, why can I watch ABC, HBO, ShowTime, CNN, Hulu and scores of other content providers - but I cannot log into my Amazon Prime streaming account from my AppleTV?
Because amazon needs to get off there lazy butt and build an app for the apple tv.
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I honestly don't think it's the 30% cut that's stopping them, because if it was they'd have abandoned the iOS platform as well, instead of just cutting in-app purchases.
There is a grave difference between "not selling something" and "banning" it. Every retailer can decide what he sells, what he gives shelf space to etc.
The Amazon Marketplace has thousands of third party resellers, and it has a dominating position in many markets, while neither physical nor online Apple Stores have a dominating position in anything anywhere.
But, it is not fair for those marketplace people that Amazon banning them from selling. They ship from their home or store and don't take physical space in Amazon warehouses. In fact, Amazon makes money on them by providing few mbytes of cloud space to advertise.
Apple has plenty of restrictions on 3rd party apps in the App Store and does not allow certain things. Yes, it's a little different, but along the same lines. In Apple's case it's a clear attempt to get more money (their 30% cut of everything). In Amazon's case it's just silliness that will have no effect.
You can place any context consumption App on as long as Apple get's their cut on content. Buy or rent a movie, Apple wants their cut. Have a subscription for content like Cable, Hulu, Netflix or countless others... you are welcome to add your Apple too.
I think the issue is not the Apple is preventing Amazon from adding an app, the issue is that Amazon doesn't want to pay Apple when someone wants to rent or buy content directly from the Apple TV. They know its too much of a PITA to switch between your Apple TV set top box and a web browser to buy or rent content.
For those thinking Apple TV 4 will have an Amazon App for sure.... consider what is going to be different from Amazon's point of view....in terms of Apple getting their cut for Amazon rented or purchased directly from the Apple TV.
This makes more sense than anything else said here. Perhaps Amazon is trying to pull a Taylor Swift. It won't work, but that may be what's influencing their actions...thinking they can using Apple TV sales as a leverage to get Apple to agree to a better revenue split.
The 30% wipes out their profits but they probably see some value in being on the platform.
This is similar to a mall owner not allowing a store to sell certain items because its in direct competition
unfortunately happens all the time. I see large stores in a mall, push the landlord to get rid of other smaller stores which compete with the larger tenant.
There is a grave difference between "not selling something" and "banning" it. Every retailer can decide what he sells, what he gives shelf space to etc.
The Amazon Marketplace has thousands of third party resellers, and it has a dominating position in many markets, while neither physical nor online Apple Stores have a dominating position in anything anywhere.
But, it is not fair for those marketplace people that Amazon banning them from selling. They ship from their home or store and don't take physical space in Amazon warehouses. In fact, Amazon makes money on them by providing few mbytes of cloud space to advertise.
Apple has plenty of restrictions on 3rd party apps in the App Store and does not allow certain things. Yes, it's a little different, but along the same lines. In Apple's case it's a clear attempt to get more money (their 30% cut of everything). In Amazon's case it's just silliness that will have no effect.
You can place any context consumption App on as long as Apple get's their cut on content. Buy or rent a movie, Apple wants their cut. Have a subscription for content like Cable, Hulu, Netflix or countless others... you are welcome to add your Apple too.
I think the issue is not the Apple is preventing Amazon from adding an app, the issue is that Amazon doesn't want to pay Apple when someone wants to rent or buy content directly from the Apple TV. They know its too much of a PITA to switch between your Apple TV set top box and a web browser to buy or rent content.
For those thinking Apple TV 4 will have an Amazon App for sure.... consider what is going to be different from Amazon's point of view....in terms of Apple getting their cut for Amazon rented or purchased directly from the Apple TV.
This makes more sense than anything else said here. Perhaps Amazon is trying to pull a Taylor Swift. It won't work, but that may be what's influencing their actions...thinking they can using Apple TV sales as a leverage to get Apple to agree to a better revenue split.
maybe.. Amazon no longer sell ANY iOS devices directly. All things like iPad or iPhones, for which require you to use a web browser workaround for their Amazon Video App (to avoid the 30% cut from Apple are no longer sold by Amazon directly. So it makes sense for them to stop selling AppleTV directly also.
Of course this does not stop third party merchants from reselling iPhone, iPads and AppleTV on Amazon. Like they are already doing. Amazon doesn't have to sell Apple product directly out of spite, the 3rd party merchants will do it for them. So its just silly.
This is certainly an odd development. But frankly, who cares? You can buy AppleTV at a few thousand places. All this development means is that Amazon is forgoing the opportunity to make that particular sale. Retailers are always making decisions about what they decide to sell. I plan to drive up to the foothills and visit the Apple Store to get a look at the device. If I am impressed I will probably buy it right there. It will also be at Best Buy, Walmart, Target, and several other places that are more convenient but I want a chance to get a better look at the product and speak to salesmen who might actually know something about it.
Amazon has no relevance in that process and it will almost certainly be selling AppleTV later. So late adopters will have Amazon as an option for buying AppleTV once it becomes a phenomenon when apps for it proliferate.
Big difference from banning a racist product vs a product that may compete with your own product.
Again banning 3rd party sellers from selling certain items based strictly on competition is anti-trust.
This is similar to a mall owner not allowing a store to sell certain items because its in direct competition
The flag being racist is debatable. What Amazon is doing isn't an anti trust violation. It doesn't fall under anti trust laws because consumers still have options for buying the Apple TV and Chromecast at other places. This is no different from Apple banning and refusing to sell competitor products in its stores.
I wonder if part of the problem is Amazon's implementation for Prime Video. I know if I stream on Safari they are using Silverlight, which is no longer supported by Microsoft and doesn't run on Chrome anymore. Maybe they don't have an HTML5 implementation? Just a guess. Also just to add when I run on my Mac it flags the Silverlight plugin as using significant energy in Safari even when it is paused.
You need to visit the store if you're ever in NYC. It's like walking onto a set of a Mel Brooks movie.
You need to visit the store if you're ever in NYC. It's like walking onto a set of a Mel Brooks movie.
My point is that they already have a workaround for the 30% charge, and it doesn't make sense that they would not just use it in the case of Amazon Prime Video on the Apple TV.
My point is that they already have a workaround for the 30% charge, and it doesn't make sense that they would not just use it in the case of Amazon Prime Video on the Apple TV.
The workaround is even more of PITA on AppleTV (which does not have a browser) and Amazon knows it. On iPad or iPhone, at least its less of a PITA as you don't have to go to a different device to purchase context.
This is why HBO, Showtime and Netflix are willing to the hit on a cut when a customer decides to signup for their service directly on AppleTV. Payments come straight from iTunes account and Apple takes a cut.
Why would they allow this when a workaround is possible? Because its a much bigger PITA to work around on Apple TV than iPhone/iPad.
Amazon is not willing to do this for their rental and purchased movies on AppleTV. So no App on AppleTV. I doubt inclusion of an App store on AppleTV 4 will change Amazon's position on this.
I think what Amazon did is silly but I also don't agree with Apple getting a 30% cut of reoccurring subscriptions. If I sign up for Netflix why should Apple get 30% of that subscription on an ongoing basis? Apple isn't hosting or streaming the content. Perhaps in the case of subscription services Apple should allow different payment options in-app. Let Spotify, Netflix etc. be responsible for the transaction rather than demanding a 30% cut.
You made me picture Jeff Bezos dancing around wearing red lipstick, tight leather shorts, and a blonde wig.
They have an insane overhead delivery system.
How is this even possible?
This is clearly an anti-trust violation. So obvious Amazon is paying $$$ to DC and the courts.
Short memory?
Don't mess with Apple.
PERIOD.
Samdung - profits down 60%. Can be directly attributed to Apple entering the Phablet market
Google - profits down 7%. Apple just needs to default search away from Google and their profits will drop 50%. That is litearlly one software update away
Bose - out of Apple stores
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/182878/apple-removes-all-bose-products-from-its-online-store
HBO and Showtime I can't speak to since they're not available in this market. HBO did do a big thing about their new service being exclusive to Apple for the first month or so, which suggests they did a deal with Apple over pricing.
Not everyone. I bought the Fire TV so I could use the Plex App.
Plex announced that there currently writing a Plex app for the new apple tv so one less reason to buy the fire.
Apple, why can I watch ABC, HBO, ShowTime, CNN, Hulu and scores of other content providers - but I cannot log into my Amazon Prime streaming account from my AppleTV?
Because amazon needs to get off there lazy butt and build an app for the apple tv.