Then this is one of the (happily few) cases in which an existing law needs to have its definition expanded due to the progress of technology.
Certainly.
Bring on transparent aluminum already. There MUST be a transparent material strong enough to handle a roof while removing at least the FRONT two dividers.
I'll put it to you as a Mechanical Engineer, the rear view cameras fail and you must still remain the same Factor of Safety all automobiles must exhibit. All mirrors must still be adjusted even when the servo motors fail, by using your hand.
Rear end view cameras to back up are effing dumb. Always have been. It makes driver dependent on technology that will fail.
you must still remain the same Factor of Safety all automobiles must exhibit. All mirrors must still be adjusted even when the servo motors fail, by using your hand.
Oh, true, certainly. I thought myself about how, with the original design, you’d have to make sure every time you start your car that they work and weren’t covered with debris. I realize that Tesla purchasers are probably rich enough to have garages, but for me that means a fair bit of ice scraping for a portion of the year. Mirrors? Piece of cake. But a tiny camera with ice caked around it? A pricey mistake.
Rear end view cameras to back up are effing dumb. Always have been.
Yeah, I’ve never understood why anyone would need to know what it would be like if your car was the height of a dog... " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
I like the X’s doors. I don’t like that it’s an “in between” vehicle. I know minivans aren’t sexy, but they need a minivan between their car and SUV. Hopefully the production model isn’t forced to have side mirrors. Getting rid of them is brilliant; shaves 2’ off the width of the vehicle.
EDIT: Seems they caved. Screw ‘em, then. Tesla doesn’t seem to have the conviction needed to be an Apple-like changer.
Getting rid of the mirrors was more for aerodynamic reasons - will improve mileage/charge. As far as I've heard, they are still trying to get approval. Don't know, but suspect it's a mindset issue where there is comfort in mechanical systems (e.g., mirrors) over cameras/sensors.
Getting rid of the mirrors was more for aerodynamic reasons - will improve mileage/charge. As far as I've heard, they are still trying to get approval. Don't know, but suspect it's a mindset issue where there is comfort in mechanical systems (e.g., mirrors) over cameras/sensors.
I think Soli mentioned a system with physical mirrors that also had cameras attached, and that’s a valid compromise, if more expensive. But you’re buying a Tesla; price doesn’t matter much.
Hey, that’s funny. You buy electric to save money on gas, but they’re so expensive that only people who wouldn’t need to worry about gas can buy them.
I think Soli mentioned a system with physical mirrors that also had cameras attached, and that’s a valid compromise, if more expensive. But you’re buying a Tesla; price doesn’t matter much.
Hey, that’s funny. You buy electric to save money on gas, but they’re so expensive that only people who wouldn’t need to worry about gas can buy them.
I think it's all about range, and getting rid of the mirrors helps that - Don't know if it's accurate, but was told removal of the mirrors would extend the range by 5%. Adding cameras to the mirrors might offer benefits, but you'd have no improvement in the range.
removal of the mirrors would extend the range by 5%.
*low whistle* Just for that? It’s high time someone stepped into the industry and just threw a wrench into the idea of what we see as being a “car”. Something that shakes up the design in a way that makes no apology for being as aerodynamic as possible. “square with curves around it” is basically what we get now. I don’t know, maybe a diamond would be better.
Bravado is why Musk is where he is and the rest us are just commenting ln these forums. There is also the possibility that he is right, even though it may not be a good PR move to be honest.
I don't think he's walking back. It's been his position for ages that he wants as many companies to enter the EV market as possible. And also in the past he has called Apple an innovative company with great people.
He is just clarifying his comment on the Apple Watch, that it is the functionality he was criticising, not the design. And notably he didn't "clarify" his implication that Apple couldn't make a better EV than Tesla, so presumably that's still his position.
George Bodenheimer attended the first Disney board meeting in Orlando, Florida, just after the company had bought Pixar and spotted Apple CEO Steve Jobs in a hallway. It seemed like a good time to introduce himself. “I am George Bodenheimer,” he said to Jobs. “I run ESPN.”
Jobs just looked at him and said nothing other than “Your phone is the dumbest fucking idea I have ever heard,” then turned and walked away.
I like the X’s doors. I don’t like that it’s an “in between” vehicle. I know minivans aren’t sexy, but they need a minivan between their car and SUV. Hopefully the production model isn’t forced to have side mirrors. Getting rid of them is brilliant; shaves 2’ off the width of the vehicle.
EDIT: Seems they caved. Screw ‘em, then. Tesla doesn’t seem to have the conviction needed to be an Apple-like changer.
They caved in the side mirrors you mean? They wanted to have them they just can't get regulatory approval for them.
Once regulations allow I bet they change all their models side mirrors to cameras.
Musk may have a point. The working conditions at Apple may be so harsh (extreme hours, weekends) that many car industry engineers will not be interested. I work with several car companies and people have told me the way Apple tries to get experienced managers and engineers to switch is not working very well. As far as I have been told, Apple will not tell the person what he/she will be working on before the person has signed the contract. Why would anyone take a gamble like this with a company which has not declared its commitment to the car business? On top of that the contracts seem to have non-disclosure clauses which exclude talking to your own family about any aspects of your work. That is unheard of in the car industry and will keep a lot of great people from working at Apple. Therefore it makes sense when Musk suggests only people fired from Tesla are interested in working for Apple.
Actually work conditions at Tesla are the opposite. It's lower pay and very long and hard hours. No vacation Etc. It's expected you are there for the cause of sustainable transportation. Thus, you can have talented people leaving for more $$$ and vacation time with family,i.e. Work balance to go and work at Apple. This was confirmed by a Tesla employee. But it's Elon getting upset cause those X employees weren't truly then invested in the cause/mantra.
I'm seeing a lot of comments from people saying thry agree with what Musk said about the Watch. OK fine, but can someone tell me why I'm supposed to care what Elon Musk thinks about ?Watch? As far as I know he wasn't specifically asked about ?Watch in this interview so why did he even bring it up?
Apple execs do throw shade every now and then but honestly it's not that often, and doesn't usually mention a specific company or product by name (other than Android/Windows). Apple releases something new and the competition trips over themselves to be the first ones to throw shade on said product. It's like honestly grow the f*ck up.
I hope that if Apple is indeed making and electric vehicle that they use the industry standard charging port that is compatible with all of the existing charging stations.
The last thing we need is one standard that charges just about every electric vehicle made, and then an Apple proprietary charging port.
*low whistle* Just for that? It’s high time someone stepped into the industry and just threw a wrench into the idea of what we see as being a “car”. Something that shakes up the design in a way that makes no apology for being as aerodynamic as possible. “square with curves around it” is basically what we get now. I don’t know, maybe a diamond would be better.
It's just a matter of time, and the mirrors will go the way of the buggy whip. The whole paradigm is shifting with driver assist and self driving autonomous cars, and that will make the mirrors obsolete. Aerodynamics, and fuel efficiency wouldn't be enough reason for regulators to stick their necks out - to be fair, boldness in their area is seldom rewarded.
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90 hours a week and loving it!
I'll put it to you as a Mechanical Engineer, the rear view cameras fail and you must still remain the same Factor of Safety all automobiles must exhibit. All mirrors must still be adjusted even when the servo motors fail, by using your hand.
Rear end view cameras to back up are effing dumb. Always have been. It makes driver dependent on technology that will fail.
60 hours didn't bother me. I added up maximum vacation very quick. I was never bored. I spent 2.5 hours in traffic. That made each day a drag.
Oh, true, certainly. I thought myself about how, with the original design, you’d have to make sure every time you start your car that they work and weren’t covered with debris. I realize that Tesla purchasers are probably rich enough to have garages, but for me that means a fair bit of ice scraping for a portion of the year. Mirrors? Piece of cake. But a tiny camera with ice caked around it? A pricey mistake.
Yeah, I’ve never understood why anyone would need to know what it would be like if your car was the height of a dog...
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I like the X’s doors. I don’t like that it’s an “in between” vehicle. I know minivans aren’t sexy, but they need a minivan between their car and SUV. Hopefully the production model isn’t forced to have side mirrors. Getting rid of them is brilliant; shaves 2’ off the width of the vehicle.
EDIT: Seems they caved. Screw ‘em, then. Tesla doesn’t seem to have the conviction needed to be an Apple-like changer.
Getting rid of the mirrors was more for aerodynamic reasons - will improve mileage/charge. As far as I've heard, they are still trying to get approval. Don't know, but suspect it's a mindset issue where there is comfort in mechanical systems (e.g., mirrors) over cameras/sensors.
I think Soli mentioned a system with physical mirrors that also had cameras attached, and that’s a valid compromise, if more expensive. But you’re buying a Tesla; price doesn’t matter much.
Hey, that’s funny. You buy electric to save money on gas, but they’re so expensive that only people who wouldn’t need to worry about gas can buy them.
I think Soli mentioned a system with physical mirrors that also had cameras attached, and that’s a valid compromise, if more expensive. But you’re buying a Tesla; price doesn’t matter much.
Hey, that’s funny. You buy electric to save money on gas, but they’re so expensive that only people who wouldn’t need to worry about gas can buy them.
I think it's all about range, and getting rid of the mirrors helps that - Don't know if it's accurate, but was told removal of the mirrors would extend the range by 5%. Adding cameras to the mirrors might offer benefits, but you'd have no improvement in the range.
He backtracked? What a surprise.
*low whistle* Just for that? It’s high time someone stepped into the industry and just threw a wrench into the idea of what we see as being a “car”. Something that shakes up the design in a way that makes no apology for being as aerodynamic as possible. “square with curves around it” is basically what we get now. I don’t know, maybe a diamond would be better.
I don't think he's walking back. It's been his position for ages that he wants as many companies to enter the EV market as possible. And also in the past he has called Apple an innovative company with great people.
He is just clarifying his comment on the Apple Watch, that it is the functionality he was criticising, not the design. And notably he didn't "clarify" his implication that Apple couldn't make a better EV than Tesla, so presumably that's still his position.
George Bodenheimer attended the first Disney board meeting in Orlando, Florida, just after the company had bought Pixar and spotted Apple CEO Steve Jobs in a hallway. It seemed like a good time to introduce himself. “I am George Bodenheimer,” he said to Jobs. “I run ESPN.”
Jobs just looked at him and said nothing other than “Your phone is the dumbest fucking idea I have ever heard,” then turned and walked away.
This story cracks me up.
Mind spoken and no apologies later.
And for those wondering, here's that phone:
Of note, the year is 2006
There will probably be a few in the Samsung parking lot too? Difference is, they will be being stripped down and re-engineered.
They caved in the side mirrors you mean? They wanted to have them they just can't get regulatory approval for them.
Once regulations allow I bet they change all their models side mirrors to cameras.
Actually work conditions at Tesla are the opposite. It's lower pay and very long and hard hours. No vacation Etc. It's expected you are there for the cause of sustainable transportation. Thus, you can have talented people leaving for more $$$ and vacation time with family,i.e. Work balance to go and work at Apple. This was confirmed by a Tesla employee. But it's Elon getting upset cause those X employees weren't truly then invested in the cause/mantra.
Apple execs do throw shade every now and then but honestly it's not that often, and doesn't usually mention a specific company or product by name (other than Android/Windows). Apple releases something new and the competition trips over themselves to be the first ones to throw shade on said product. It's like honestly grow the f*ck up.
I hope that if Apple is indeed making and electric vehicle that they use the industry standard charging port that is compatible with all of the existing charging stations.
The last thing we need is one standard that charges just about every electric vehicle made, and then an Apple proprietary charging port.
Excellent point. It does bear a resemblance to the F-Type. Maserati could have been an influence as well.
The X seems to have adopted design principles from Ford, however. What's up with that (I am mixing metaphors) butt-ugly front!?