So you are saying that when people come to your house
They can do as as they wish, with out boundaries? They can
Ignor your rules completely?
Aliens who arrive on Earth and decide to impose their moral and societal norms on humans. We would no doubt greet them as liberators and follow their standards. /s
So you are saying that when people come to your house
They can do as as they wish, with out boundaries? They can
Ignor your rules completely?
Aliens who arrive on Earth and decide to impose their moral and societal norms on humans. We would no doubt greet them as liberators and follow their standards. /s
Sad to see that Apple support censorship. Tim Cook is all about human rights and values except when it comes to China. I wish American companies would quit letting China bully them around.
Perhaps it is "supporting" censorship but consider that, if they don't obey the laws of the countries where they operate, their ability to conduct business might be severely, and negatively, impacted. That would include both retail and supply/manufacturing in the case of China.
So true and the same happens in the UK, some outside of the UK sites can be blocked.
Yes, for example I have a fully paid subscription to HBO Now. They are happy to take my money each month, but attempts in Korea to access them prompts the inevitable "The video is not available in your region" censorship message. I am reduced to using a VPN just to access content I have already paid for, perhaps even making me a criminal under some interpretations of the federal statutes.
With China rising as an economic superpower, it's disgusting to watch the world having to just accept massive censorship and information suppression. They have essentially mangled the internet there. Rarely do US leaders talk about human rights violations, and rarely do companies speak out about having to butcher their products to get sold there.
Everyone is bending over backwards to sell products their billion consumers want. Google just pulled a 180 after they pulled out of China. No American company wants to fall behind to a Chinese company in the world marketplace. They will though, after trade secrets are hacked endlessly from corporate servers, and laws enacted to favor Chinese companies. What a wonderful world indeed.
Why so sure that this is Apple's fault? Plenty of Western services don't work (or work badly) in China, because of the Great Firewall.
Gmail, for example, pretty much never works. For all you know, the connections attempt to make it out of China but are so delayed but Chinese internet nonsense that the requests just time out when (if) they finally hit the Apple servers.
With China rising as an economic superpower, it's disgusting to watch the world having to just accept massive censorship and information suppression. They have essentially mangled the internet there. Rarely do US leaders talk about human rights violations, and rarely do companies speak out about having to butcher their products to get sold there.
The more we trade with them, even if we have to censor our products, the richer their ordinary people become, and the harder it is to keep them ignorant. Isolating them just makes the whole world poorer, and their people most of all. And there's nothing like a disabled feature on your iPhone to make you want to be allowed to enable it!
real change happens only when things get really bad. Lots of potential for change if things keep going this way. A bit scary thinking about the violence that will occur when it does happen. Only a matter of time if the economy truly does collapse due to multiple bubbles created by the state.
Sad to see that Apple support censorship. Tim Cook is all about human rights and values except when it comes to China. I wish American companies would quit letting China bully them around.
I fine stance to take but in reality, Apple need to be in China's good books otherwise their supply of product could just vanish overnight.
China is Apple's weak point. A single point of failure. Cut off supply from Foxconn and Apple revenue takes deep dive. The share price will drop even more as Wall St bails big time.
IMHO, Apple must develop alternative places where their kit is made preferably outside of Asia.
Come on Apple lets have a working News App here in the UK. We ain't China so why have you not let us use it?
Sure we can change our location to the US and wonderful, a good number of UK news are available.
When doing business in a country the rules of the country must be followed or else.
The USA doesn't set or enforce the rules in China.
On the other hand this just confirms my previous decision not to travel in China.
I have gone to HK and a web Email I sent to Au from the hotel lobby computer there was diverted and not received.
I know it was sent, because a BCC copy to the Email web site, my carriers in CDA, was received.
That diverted Email had the receiving site altered to a "bucket" somewhere else?
With all the travel around the world by China citizens, I find it very out of date for China to play such communication games.
I very, very much doubt this was anything sinister, although sending personal email from some random hotel computer in this day and age is just a bad idea in general. Could have even caught by a spam filter at several points, could have been accidentally deleted, could be various server misconfigurations, etc. Hong Kong is not behind the great firewall. There is no internet censorship in Hong Kong, and network traffic does not use the same exchanges as mainland China.
I like that Apple does this. They're making it clear that "News" in China would be a watered-down version of reality; therefore, rather than giving people an imperfect experience, they turn you away completely and encourage you to find a complete source.
Sad to see that Apple support censorship. Tim Cook is all about human rights and values except when it comes to China. I wish American companies would quit letting China bully them around.
Oh c'mon Rogifan. Its about money, its about profit. Even Google is re-thinking its withdrawal from China because it's costing them Money and Market share. And unlike Apple, Google specifically withdrew from China rather than cave in to expediency in the greed for profit ... and now they seem to have changed their viewpoint.
How one sees this reality is up to the customers in the end. No foreign company, much less a gadget-maker, has enough clout to have any effect on the Chinese CP.
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So you are saying that when people come to your house
They can do as as they wish, with out boundaries? They can
Ignor your rules completely?
So you think it's just fine then for a private businesses to discriminate and only serve certain people. After all it's that businesses house right?
Who are the private businesses?
Oh things like flower shops, bakeries, photographers, etc.
Who are the private businesses?
Oh things like flower shops, bakeries, photographers, etc.
I see what you are saying.
Title II needs to be updated in light of recent Supreme Court decisions.
I wasn't sure what you were talking about.
Apologies.
Aliens who arrive on Earth and decide to impose their moral and societal norms on humans. We would no doubt greet them as liberators and follow their standards. /s
So you are saying that when people come to your house
They can do as as they wish, with out boundaries? They can
Ignor your rules completely?
Aliens who arrive on Earth and decide to impose their moral and societal norms on humans. We would no doubt greet them as liberators and follow their standards. /s
"To serve man"
Oh wait it's a cook book!
Nothing much to see here, move along....
what faithful? and can you quote somebody calling news magical?
poor example because doing so would be illegal and runs afoul of public accommodation laws and the enumerated discrimination categories.
having rules in your private home isn't the same as its not a place open to the public. but even your rules are limited in scope to what's legal.
So true and the same happens in the UK, some outside of the UK sites can be blocked.
Yes, for example I have a fully paid subscription to HBO Now. They are happy to take my money each month, but attempts in Korea to access them prompts the inevitable "The video is not available in your region" censorship message. I am reduced to using a VPN just to access content I have already paid for, perhaps even making me a criminal under some interpretations of the federal statutes.
With China rising as an economic superpower, it's disgusting to watch the world having to just accept massive censorship and information suppression. They have essentially mangled the internet there. Rarely do US leaders talk about human rights violations, and rarely do companies speak out about having to butcher their products to get sold there.
Everyone is bending over backwards to sell products their billion consumers want. Google just pulled a 180 after they pulled out of China. No American company wants to fall behind to a Chinese company in the world marketplace. They will though, after trade secrets are hacked endlessly from corporate servers, and laws enacted to favor Chinese companies. What a wonderful world indeed.
Why so sure that this is Apple's fault? Plenty of Western services don't work (or work badly) in China, because of the Great Firewall.
Gmail, for example, pretty much never works. For all you know, the connections attempt to make it out of China but are so delayed but Chinese internet nonsense that the requests just time out when (if) they finally hit the Apple servers.
The more we trade with them, even if we have to censor our products, the richer their ordinary people become, and the harder it is to keep them ignorant. Isolating them just makes the whole world poorer, and their people most of all. And there's nothing like a disabled feature on your iPhone to make you want to be allowed to enable it!
real change happens only when things get really bad. Lots of potential for change if things keep going this way. A bit scary thinking about the violence that will occur when it does happen. Only a matter of time if the economy truly does collapse due to multiple bubbles created by the state.
Sad to see that Apple support censorship. Tim Cook is all about human rights and values except when it comes to China. I wish American companies would quit letting China bully them around.
I fine stance to take but in reality, Apple need to be in China's good books otherwise their supply of product could just vanish overnight.
China is Apple's weak point. A single point of failure. Cut off supply from Foxconn and Apple revenue takes deep dive. The share price will drop even more as Wall St bails big time.
IMHO, Apple must develop alternative places where their kit is made preferably outside of Asia.
Come on Apple lets have a working News App here in the UK. We ain't China so why have you not let us use it?
Sure we can change our location to the US and wonderful, a good number of UK news are available.
So why?
I very, very much doubt this was anything sinister, although sending personal email from some random hotel computer in this day and age is just a bad idea in general. Could have even caught by a spam filter at several points, could have been accidentally deleted, could be various server misconfigurations, etc. Hong Kong is not behind the great firewall. There is no internet censorship in Hong Kong, and network traffic does not use the same exchanges as mainland China.
Sad to see that Apple support censorship. Tim Cook is all about human rights and values except when it comes to China. I wish American companies would quit letting China bully them around.
Oh c'mon Rogifan. Its about money, its about profit. Even Google is re-thinking its withdrawal from China because it's costing them Money and Market share. And unlike Apple, Google specifically withdrew from China rather than cave in to expediency in the greed for profit ... and now they seem to have changed their viewpoint.
How one sees this reality is up to the customers in the end. No foreign company, much less a gadget-maker, has enough clout to have any effect on the Chinese CP.