Do you have any idea the size of the Samsung group? It's not some tiny little chip manufacturer that exists solely because of Apple paying them to produce chips. They've got $300bn in revenue and more than $500bn in assets, and contracts into the tens of billions for things like building nuclear power plants and providing petrochemical storage.
Samsung's entire electronic division - encompassing phones, computers, NAND, RAM, CPUs, TVs & home theatre, white good and contracts with other companies providing parts - is only worth 37% of what Samsung is, and Apple's contract is only worth $14bn, including building new manufacturing and fabrication plants for said technologies.
You can read a complete breakdown of their profits and overall structure here. I'm not saying that the loss of a $14bn contract will be unnoticed by the company, but I very much doubt that either company really bogs themselves down with petty bickering over brands and ultimately does what is good for business and good for perpetuating their existence. Realistically, both are more concerned with milking their sheeple fanboys of all they are worth.
It really does boggle the mind when you think about the size and scope of Samsung the Conglomerate.
I am surprised that no one has complained about Samsung copying Apples Space Gray color for their brand new line of surface-to-air missiles. OK, I made that up.
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And now we have another iPhone 6 clone.
Put your Samsung boners away. You know who you are.
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Do you have any idea the size of the Samsung group? It's not some tiny little chip manufacturer that exists solely because of Apple paying them to produce chips. They've got $300bn in revenue and more than $500bn in assets, and contracts into the tens of billions for things like building nuclear power plants and providing petrochemical storage.
Samsung's entire electronic division - encompassing phones, computers, NAND, RAM, CPUs, TVs & home theatre, white good and contracts with other companies providing parts - is only worth 37% of what Samsung is, and Apple's contract is only worth $14bn, including building new manufacturing and fabrication plants for said technologies.
You can read a complete breakdown of their profits and overall structure here. I'm not saying that the loss of a $14bn contract will be unnoticed by the company, but I very much doubt that either company really bogs themselves down with petty bickering over brands and ultimately does what is good for business and good for perpetuating their existence. Realistically, both are more concerned with milking their sheeple fanboys of all they are worth.
Again, irrelevant. Large corporations with multiple divisions aren't like a family. Each division is like a separate company. If they're making money then everyone is happy. If a division starts doing poorly it gets downsized or sold off outright. You can bet Samsung ship building division isn't going to donate their profits to Samsung Mobile or Samsung Semi if they start losing money. So speaking about Samsung as a whole is irrelevant. We're only concerned with mobile and semiconductor.
Do you have any idea the size of the Samsung group? It's not some tiny little chip manufacturer that exists solely because of Apple paying them to produce chips. They've got $300bn in revenue and more than $500bn in assets, and contracts into the tens of billions for things like building nuclear power plants and providing petrochemical storage.
Samsung's entire electronic division - encompassing phones, computers, NAND, RAM, CPUs, TVs & home theatre, white good and contracts with other companies providing parts - is only worth 37% of what Samsung is, and Apple's contract is only worth $14bn, including building new manufacturing and fabrication plants for said technologies.
You can read a complete breakdown of their profits and overall structure here. I'm not saying that the loss of a $14bn contract will be unnoticed by the company, but I very much doubt that either company really bogs themselves down with petty bickering over brands and ultimately does what is good for business and good for perpetuating their existence. Realistically, both are more concerned with milking their sheeple fanboys of all they are worth.
I'm fully aware of what Samsung is. Maybe you are not aware that it doesn't matter. This is a loosely run family operation. Samsung Electronics is what we're talking about. Their profits have been sliding for a couple of years, and the semiconductor unit is one of the more profitable areas. Last year it was a mess, but because Apple has returned, it's doing better.
Again, irrelevant. Large corporations with multiple divisions aren't like a family. Each division is like a separate company. If they're making money then everyone is happy. If a division starts doing poorly it gets downsized or sold off outright. You can bet Samsung ship building division isn't going to donate their profits to Samsung Mobile or Samsung Semi if they start losing money. So speaking about Samsung as a whole is irrelevant. We're only concerned with mobile and semiconductor.
Not really for chaebol or zaibatsu in Japan. Much more tightly knit than conglomerates are here.
Apple and HTC/S3 dropped their lawsuits and settled instead. There was some licensing agreement, thought exact details aren't known. It was rumored there was a "no cloning" clause, but again, no exact details.
If I were at Apple, I'd be keen for HTC to do almost anything to wrest some Android market share away from Samsung.
If Samsung has too much market share, they can be more integrated across their products and more of a threat to Apple. Eg Smartwatches that only work with Samsung phones. S Pay. Etc. Android market share being more fragmented across devices makers makes it less of a risk for Apple.
Tizen for example. If 95% of Android devices sold were Samsung, Samsung might switch to Tizen with and Android app shell for compatibility. Samsung would be more in control of its own destiny, able to move faster with new integrated products rather than waiting on Google as is the case now.
Do you have any idea the size of the Samsung group? It's not some tiny little chip manufacturer that exists solely because of Apple paying them to produce chips. They've got $300bn in revenue and more than $500bn in assets, and contracts into the tens of billions for things like building nuclear power plants and providing petrochemical storage.
Samsung's entire electronic division - encompassing phones, computers, NAND, RAM, CPUs, TVs & home theatre, white good and contracts with other companies providing parts - is only worth 37% of what Samsung is, and Apple's contract is only worth $14bn, including building new manufacturing and fabrication plants for said technologies.
You can read a complete breakdown of their profits and overall structure here. I'm not saying that the loss of a $14bn contract will be unnoticed by the company, but I very much doubt that either company really bogs themselves down with petty bickering over brands and ultimately does what is good for business and good for perpetuating their existence. Realistically, both are more concerned with milking their sheeple fanboys of all they are worth.
Some day, I am sure you'll figure out the link between revenue and cash flows; and more importantly, the link between cash flows and value.
In 2007, GM was the largest carmaker in the world, selling 9 million vehicles for a total revenue of $180 billion. By middle of 2009, the company was bankrupt. Now, I am not remotely suggesting that Samsung will be bankrupt any time soon, but a large revenue number does not necessarily mean very much.
I did a good amount of travel in Asia, even when I was working in QA at Apple. I see more people using Apple phones than in America over there. It's more of a prestige item than in the US. There so much growth potential in China alone, but Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines, and the rest Japan, Korea, India. Man, Apple sure has a bright future, and that's just with their phones.
Apple and HTC/S3 dropped their lawsuits and settled instead. There was some licensing agreement, thought exact details aren't known. It was rumored there was a "no cloning" clause, but again, no exact details.
I doubt that Apple is licensing anything to HTC. HTC and Microsoft had a lawsuit beginning, but then HTC agreed to continue making Win Phone, si Microsoft dropped it. Maybe you're thinking of that.
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Do you have any idea the size of the Samsung group? It's not some tiny little chip manufacturer that exists solely because of Apple paying them to produce chips. They've got $300bn in revenue and more than $500bn in assets, and contracts into the tens of billions for things like building nuclear power plants and providing petrochemical storage.
Samsung's entire electronic division - encompassing phones, computers, NAND, RAM, CPUs, TVs & home theatre, white good and contracts with other companies providing parts - is only worth 37% of what Samsung is, and Apple's contract is only worth $14bn, including building new manufacturing and fabrication plants for said technologies.
You can read a complete breakdown of their profits and overall structure here. I'm not saying that the loss of a $14bn contract will be unnoticed by the company, but I very much doubt that either company really bogs themselves down with petty bickering over brands and ultimately does what is good for business and good for perpetuating their existence. Realistically, both are more concerned with milking their sheeple fanboys of all they are worth.
It really does boggle the mind when you think about the size and scope of Samsung the Conglomerate.
I am surprised that no one has complained about Samsung copying Apples Space Gray color for their brand new line of surface-to-air missiles. OK, I made that up.
And now we have another iPhone 6 clone.
http://bgr.com/2015/10/15/htc-one-a9-photos-leak-orange/
Ya know I am just not seeing it...
Juuuuuuuust kidding. Holy cow that is a pretty bold copy. Save for a few antenna lines and the centered camera this is really close.
I know Apple, and HTC have some sort of licensing agreement, but I don't think it allows HTC to copy so blatantly.
I know Apple, and HTC have some sort of licensing agreement, but I don't think it allows HTC to copy so blatantly.
I am not sure it's worth it for Apple to take HTC to court over...
But someone at Apple should get on the phone to someone at HTC and give em a good stern "Knock it off why don't ya? For Petes sake!"
Put your Samsung boners away. You know who you are.
I don't have a link, but Samsung's boner division has some pretty impressive year-over-year growth.
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Again, irrelevant. Large corporations with multiple divisions aren't like a family. Each division is like a separate company. If they're making money then everyone is happy. If a division starts doing poorly it gets downsized or sold off outright. You can bet Samsung ship building division isn't going to donate their profits to Samsung Mobile or Samsung Semi if they start losing money. So speaking about Samsung as a whole is irrelevant. We're only concerned with mobile and semiconductor.
I'm fully aware of what Samsung is. Maybe you are not aware that it doesn't matter. This is a loosely run family operation. Samsung Electronics is what we're talking about. Their profits have been sliding for a couple of years, and the semiconductor unit is one of the more profitable areas. Last year it was a mess, but because Apple has returned, it's doing better.
Not really for chaebol or zaibatsu in Japan. Much more tightly knit than conglomerates are here.
What kind of licensing agreement is that?
Apple and HTC/S3 dropped their lawsuits and settled instead. There was some licensing agreement, thought exact details aren't known. It was rumored there was a "no cloning" clause, but again, no exact details.
If Samsung has too much market share, they can be more integrated across their products and more of a threat to Apple. Eg Smartwatches that only work with Samsung phones. S Pay. Etc. Android market share being more fragmented across devices makers makes it less of a risk for Apple.
Tizen for example. If 95% of Android devices sold were Samsung, Samsung might switch to Tizen with and Android app shell for compatibility. Samsung would be more in control of its own destiny, able to move faster with new integrated products rather than waiting on Google as is the case now.
Some day, I am sure you'll figure out the link between revenue and cash flows; and more importantly, the link between cash flows and value.
In 2007, GM was the largest carmaker in the world, selling 9 million vehicles for a total revenue of $180 billion. By middle of 2009, the company was bankrupt. Now, I am not remotely suggesting that Samsung will be bankrupt any time soon, but a large revenue number does not necessarily mean very much.
Exact details not given.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/154218/apple-and-htc-settle-all-patent-litigation-agree-to-10-year-licensing-deal
Considering Samsung is providing processors for some of the 6S/6S+ and LPDDR3 for all, then they're all probably pretty happy at the success.
If they're happy about that they wouldn't compete with Apple in smartphone market in the first place.
Wait what's this? Oh yeah Apple is Doomed!
In the immortal words of @GTR, Apple is BoomedTM!!
I did a good amount of travel in Asia, even when I was working in QA at Apple. I see more people using Apple phones than in America over there. It's more of a prestige item than in the US. There so much growth potential in China alone, but Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines, and the rest Japan, Korea, India. Man, Apple sure has a bright future, and that's just with their phones.
I doubt that Apple is licensing anything to HTC. HTC and Microsoft had a lawsuit beginning, but then HTC agreed to continue making Win Phone, si Microsoft dropped it. Maybe you're thinking of that.