That's a little harsh. Slurpy was correct that it needed a comment. To describe that comment as PR is being honest, how else would you categorize such a comment? I suspect you perceive PR as a bad thing but that maybe simply because most PR is BS, that doesn't mean all PR is.
PR can be good or bad, depends if it exists to cover your ass and not fix things, or not.
It is a way for companies to get their message out to the general population directly
without the artifice of publicity.
This wasn't an Apple wide policy, so the Apple name gets sullied because of local bigotry.
There needs to be an answer from Cook because it affects the Apple brand, but by putting his weight
behind it, you also know that this won't happen again ANYWHERE on his watch.
If a communications guy or a local guy had said something, it wouldn't have the same force.
Nor is anything said about a black person's race when they are turned down for a an apartment rental, country club membership, or private prep school admission.
Nor a white person’s. What’s your point?
Not every negative encounter between two races is racism. Not every negative encounter between two races where one is white and the other isn’t is racism on the part of the white person.
Originally Posted by Fred Maxwell
Tim Cook handled this correctly.
You can say that there’s no evidence of racism here and still agree with Cook on this specific matter, you know. Without any presentable justification for dismissing someone from the store (never mind “right to refuse service to anyone” clauses), either in this video or through internal channels, turning away potential customers is probably worth a pink slip.
Nor is anything said about a black person's race when they are turned down for a an apartment rental, country club membership, or private prep school admission.
Nor a white person’s. What’s your point?
That people who discriminate based on race seldom announce to the victims that it's based on their race.
As a white man in my 50s, I can assure you that doors to prestigious organizations or luxury housing are not closed to me because I am white, so there's no real parallel.
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">The point being made is that</span>
<em style="font-weight:normal;line-height:1.4em;">often</em>
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">an assumption is being made that may not be based on fact or at least only on superficial facts or the assumer projecting their own biases onto a situation.</span>
Your claim is that black people are being discriminated against based primarily on their race but the people who do this discriminating never openly say that. Okay. What is the evidence of discrimination then?
And remember that correlation doesn't prove causation.
The list of white guys in this thread who comically want to split hairs and lecture us about what is or is not racism grows longer. Take a number and we'll call you for your debriefing.
Your claim is that black people are being discriminated against based primarily on their race but the people who do this discriminating never openly say that. Okay. What is the evidence of discrimination then?
And remember that correlation doesn't prove causation.
Correlation may not be proof, but it sure is good evidence.
But just to cite one example, the three finance professors authored a study that analyzed the mortgages and demographic characteristics of more than 3,500 households during the height of the housing boom—2001, 2004, and 2007—using the Federal Reserve's triennial Survey of Consumer Finances. They found that, on average, black borrowers were charged between 0.29 and 0.31 percentage points more in interest than whites, even after controlling for their debt and credit history.
Indeed correlation may point to a causal situation. But we seem to have a lot of people relying on that only as the "proof".
Regarding the studies mentioned, were other factors that might be relevant also controlled for?
That correlation is the only evidence that's ever going to be available in the majority of cases now. People don't generally use the N-word when turning down applicants for jobs, housing, loans, admissions, etc.
The study I cited was very much in line with the findings of courts in numerous discrimination lawsuits brought by black and hispanic consumers against some of the nations largest mortgage lenders, including Wells Fargo and Countryside.
Indeed correlation may point to a causal situation. But we seem to have a lot of people relying on that only as the "proof".
Regarding the studies mentioned, were other factors that might be relevant also controlled for?
Look I'm not saying racism doesn't exist. It surely does. The point that I (and others) have tried to make is that there seems to be an automatic assumption that if party A is black and party B is white and something negative occurs to party A from party B is it, ipso facto, racism. This isn't always true.
It's not an "automatic assumption." Any feeling, empathetic person can conclude that race played a part in the expulsion of these guys just by using what is usually called "emotional intelligence." If you lack that capacity, you will tend to raise questions like the recalcitrants in this thread.
As a white person myself, I can only laugh at this point. I've been following civil rights issues since the days of "colored" drinking fountains in the 1960s, since the days of Bull Conner and George Wallace and the KKK near my beat in southern Indiana, and I can't believe that you guys still don't know enough to keep your mouths shut when some slight redresses have to be made for the generations of white oppression directed at non-Indo-Europeans.
As a gesture of goodwill... perhaps Apple should ask the security guards to make a list of what they think the boys might have stolen... and then give each of the boys each the goods on the list
I can assure you that doors to prestigious organizations or luxury housing are not closed to me because I am white...
That’s funny. I can assure the opposite.
What are the names of those prestigious organizations or luxury housing developments where you've been told that you're unwelcome because you are white?
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I disagree. I think branding someone a racist, when they're not, is just as bad as racism itself.
You are a racist.
So, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being no problem and 10 being "as bad as being murdered by Dylann Roof for being black," where does my allegation (assuming that it's false) rate?
What are the names of those prestigious organizations or luxury housing developments where you've been told that you're unwelcome because you are white?
“We just would look at the board and say, ‘We already have too many white men. We can’t have more.’ Really, that was it,” Hayes says. “A general rule is if there are four people sitting at table, only two of them can be white men,” he says. “Often it would be less than that.”
If you feel like exercising your voting rights or being on a school board.
The U.S. Department of Justice on Friday squashed a change to the Beaumont ISD school board redistricting map that was approved by more than 10,000 voters...
In the political realm, I’ve seen too many white, male lawyers in their sixties. I think it’s time for a breath of fresh air. Better yet: diversity. More women, more immigrants, more differing opinions—otherwise, our political system will become fossilized.
...the school was “not yet outstanding” because pupils’ cultural development was limited by a “lack of first-hand experience of the diverse make up of modern British society”.
The committee has often been justly criticized for being homogenous -- "too old, too male, too white, too rich," says a former member. There are six women and seven people of color among the 41 members. In the last decade, "we’ve made a conscious effort to diversify it," says Wenner. In 2006, several stalwarts were dethroned: "I was fired for being too old. That’s what I was told," says one. (Wenner counters that anyone who was kicked off "wasn’t being useful.")
The committee’s track record in recognizing such rock ’n’ roll offshoots as hip-hop, metal and alternative rock has been spotty.
Ultimately, A Song of Ice and Fire, like the Lord of the Rings, is the work of a brilliant and conscientious writer who is nonetheless writing in his own time and place. The United States in 2012 is, far too often, and even with a black president, still a culture rich in racist stereotypes and xenophobic fear-mongering.
What substantiates this are the microaggressions...
Personal aside: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
...while indie rock and the DIY underground, historically, have been proud to disassociate themselves from popular culture, there is no divorcing a predominantly white scene from systemic ideals ingrained in white Western culture.
A Northwood man’s murder trial was abruptly halted Tuesday after a judge dismissed the entire panel of prospective jurors, saying the lack of racial diversity hurt the African-American defendant’s chances of getting a fair trial.
If you want to broadcast on NPR.
The sound of public media must reflect that diversity. So get on it. It’s time to make moves.”
The Carleton University Students’ Association has voted to drop a cystic fibrosis charity as the beneficiary of its annual Shinearama fundraiser, supporting a motion that argued the disease is not “inclusive” enough.
Cystic fibrosis “has been recently revealed to only affect white people, and primarily men”
Environmental organizations should be asking what conservation means if its mission is being hurt by an overemphasis on academic accolades, causing a lack of diverse perspectives and ideas.
State and local jurisdictions that are currently receiving federal grants will be tasked with following new AFFH guidelines that require them to “conduct an Analysis to identify Impediments to fair housing choice [AI], take appropriate actions to overcome the effects of any impediments identified through the analysis [and] maintain records reflecting the analysis and actions taken in this regard.”
“Racism is so implicit that you never even notice that it’s a white girl on the cover every single time,” added Amy Champ “But when you begin to ask yourself, ‘What does yoga have to do with my community?’, then you begin to question all these inequities.”
Combined with the latest population statistics, this should be a wake-up call for Seattle's majority white enclaves to find ways of walking the talk on diversity.
Shokazoba's cancellation from the Hampshire Halloween event Friday night at Hampshire College, after one band member said they were criticized of being "too white" to play Afrobeat music, is reverberating on social media.
The Multicultural Council of Tasmania, the University of Tasmania and the Federation of Ethnic Communities Councils of Australia are urging the State Government to “get moving”.
A more diverse teaching staff would solve a lot of problems for non-white students in the district, including a high suspension rate (delusional bullshit, by the way)
It is a culture in which a white male engineer near completion of a Ph.D. was passed over for a management position in favor of a black man who was barely literate, multiple staffers said.
HIDDEN WHITE TEXT PREDICTION: This is the only one of my examples that you will accept as valid.
A citizen's group in Portland, Oregon, said on Monday the city should drop policies allowing students to transfer public schools, saying it is making the schools less racially diverse and poorer.
A close examination shows the central figure to be a white pioneer dressed in work clothes, wearing a wide-brim hat and pushing a plow. He is an iconic image of a hardworking, rugged individualist who works alone to chop the trees, plow the land and protect his home.
While the current flag may represent a certain view and vision of the past, it does not reflect the values and sensibilities of Minnesotans today.
The Berkeley (CA) Board of Education will consider, at its February 3 meeting, whether or not to cancel before and after school Science Labs for Advanced Placement Science classes at Berkeley High School because the classes are attended largely by white students. The proposal is aimed at addressing "Berkeley’s dismal racial achievement gap"
So I asked what prestigious organizations or luxury home developments had denied you entrance due to your race and this is the first thing you come up with? The BBC? Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you live somewhere in the U.S.? Were you planning to emigrate or just have a really long commute?
You went back to a quote from 2001 from someone who left the BBC more than a decade ago. Interestingly, while searching for the source of the comment, I found that it caused quite a stir on neo-Nazi sites like stormfront.org ('White Pride World Wide'):
Why don't we read what Greg Dyke actually told the reporter back in 2001 when he made that quote?
Quote from the Daily Mail:
The BBC is 'hideously white' according to Greg Dyke, the corporation's director-general.
Mr Dyke did not say the corporation was racist but acknowledged that, in common with the Metropolitan Police, it had a problem with race relations.
He admitted the management structure at the BBC was more than 98 per cent white.
And he said the organisation was unable to retain staff from ethnic minorities and questioned if they were made to feel welcome.
Mr Dyke said: 'I think the BBC is hideously white. I think the BBC is a predominantly white organisation. The figures we have at the moment suggest that quite a lot of people from different ethnic backgrounds that we do attract to the BBC leave. Maybe they don't feel at home, maybe they don't feel welcome.'
A failure of the corporation's equal opportunities policies was most noticeable at the highest levels, he said.
'Our biggest problem is at management level. I had a management Christmas lunch and as I looked around I thought, 'we've got a real problem here'. There were 80-odd people there and only one person who wasn't white,' he said.
Mr Dyke insisted the BBC was committed to eradicating racism but voiced concerns that similar determination was missing among some elements of the police.
He said: 'I was at a dinner when I sat next to the person who advises the Metropolitan Police on race relations and I said, 'we've both got a problem in this area'.'
He said the BBC was an organisation that 'understood' the problem and wanted to do something about it. 'I'm not at all sure that the Metropolitan Police at all sorts of levels actually does,' he added.
He added that by 2003, 10 per cent of the BBC's UK workforce and 4 per cent of management would be from ethnic minority backgrounds.
Mr Dyke added: 'You can have all the equal opportunities policies you like, but if actually, the gateman doesn't let blacks through the gates, you've got a problem, haven't you? I don't believe the BBC is like that, but we are not saying, 'what are we going to do about this?'.'
A spokeswoman for the Commission for Racial Equality said Mr Dyke had made similar statements before but welcomed his latest remarks.
She said: 'I welcome his acknowledgement that there's a problem and that he's trying to do something about it.
'I think the key is getting the senior management to reflect the society we live in and that's a real challenge because once that situation is sorted then that will obviously have a beneficial knock-on effect on the rest of the corporation.'
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If you want to listen to the BBC.
How does making a radio station more appealing to minorities prevent you from listening to it?
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If you feel like exercising your voting rights or being on a school board.
That was a story about white residents using redistricting in order to unseat black school board members. It was an attempt to disenfranchise the 45.8% of the population that was black. I recommend that people read this exposé on what really happened. It's entitled "Breaking black: The right-wing plot to split a school board"
That out-of-context quote was from twenty-something, white, male Mathieu Fluery, an elected Ottowa city councillor, who was answering a reporter's question about his role in politics at such a young age:
Quote from the University of Ottowa's Tabaret:
Interviewer- That’s a challenge you would expect to be taken on by a 50-year-old rather than an almost-30-year-old…
Mathieu Fleury- In the political realm, I’ve seen too many white, male lawyers in their sixties. I think it’s time for a breath of fresh air. Better yet: diversity. More women, more immigrants, more differing opinions—otherwise, our political system will become fossilized. I’m contributing in my own way, but we need more, much more.
Wow, how horrible that he would encourage people who are not white, male lawyers in their sixties to become involved in the political realm.
You're just wasting my time with misleading, out-of-context quotes.
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HIDDEN WHITE TEXT PREDICTION: This is the only one of my examples that you will accept as valid.
I have neither the time nor the patience for that kind of stuff.
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Don’t you dare try to claim that whites aren’t discriminated against in an ever-growing amount.
Yeah, you're a white, male conservative, so you're a victim. Your shitty life isn't your fault. You're a victim of discrimination. Your life sucks because of blacks, gays, illegal immigrants, liberals, the media, activist judges, taxes, regulations, atheists, Muslims, environmentalists, feminists, the intellectual elite, etc. Got it.
But, in conclusion, you could not cite any examples of where you were denied admission into any prestigious organization or luxury housing because you were white. Thanks for confirming that.
Oh no, someone wants to change something so that it's only hugely skewed in my favor, instead of being super turbo-atomically massively skewed in my favor. WHEN WILL MY SUFFERING EVER END?????
So I asked what prestigious organizations or luxury home developments had denied you entrance due to your race and this is the first thing you come up with?
Almost as though I comprehend the argument more than you do.
You went back to a quote from 2001 from someone who left the BBC more than a decade ago.
And? “Because it’s old, it’s wrong/irrelevant”; is that your claim?
Interestingly, while searching for the source of the comment, I found that it caused quite a stir on neo-Nazi sites like stormfront.org (‘White Pride World Wide'): Is that where you first encountered it?
Hey, nice insults! I’m sure that the BBC boss first posted his comments about his hatred of whiteness on a white supremacy site, sure. That definitely happened. Yep.
Why don't we read what Greg Dyke actually told the reporter back in 2001 when he made that quote?
He said exactly what I said. There’s no excuse for or context within that statement is anything but explicitly racist, save to say, “The BBC is hideously white... the building, that is. We’re going to paint it a darker shade of grey so that it doesn’t glare in people’s eyes as they drive into town.”
How does making a radio station more appealing to minorities prevent you from listening to it?
When it shuts down programs for not appealing to minorities.
That was a story about white residents using redistricting in order to unseat black school board members.
You’re sure?
"Breaking black: The right-wing plot to split a school board"
Yes, I know about that hoax, sure.
That out-of-context quote was from twenty-something, white, male Mathieu Fluery, an elected Ottowa city councillor, who was answering a reporter's question about his role in politics at such a young age:
And yet you comprehend what it says just as well as I do. Or maybe you don’t, and that’s terrifying.
Wow, how horrible that he would encourage people who are not white, male lawyers in their sixties to become involved in the political realm.
Except that’s not even remotely what his actions or statements suggest, and you know this.
I have neither the time nor the patience for that kind of stuff.
Ha! Knew it.
Yeah, you're a white, male conservative, so you're a victim.
Sure. Just like anyone else can be.
Your shitty life isn't your fault.
Aww, thanks, but I take responsibility for the things within my power.
You're a victim of discrimination.
Thanks for admitting it.
Your life sucks because of blacks, gays, illegal immigrants, liberals, the media, activist judges, taxes, regulations, atheists, Muslims, environmentalists, feminists, the intellectual elite, etc. Got it.
The problem with you is that I’m fiercely egalitarian and speak out when things skew away from that.
But, in conclusion, you could not cite any examples of where you were denied admission into any prestigious organization or luxury housing because you were white. Thanks for confirming that.
Reported for ignoring evidence right in your face.
Reported for ignoring evidence right in your face.
Your entire post had not a single shred of evidence that you had ever been denied admittance to any prestigious organization or luxury home community due to your race. You did not name even one incident.
So not continuing to use minority tax dollars to fund programming that appeals to an almost exclusively white audience is racist?
Oh yes, the BBC is state media, isn’t it... But unless I’m mistaken, the shareholders aren’t the people.
You seem very proud of the fact that your simplistic attempt to hide text failed. That's odd.
Almost as though I made no consideration for the complexity of the attempt at hiding. If I really wanted to hide text, I’d do it like I did in this post.
You should read this article entitled "Traumatic brain injury may lead to difficulty understanding sarcasm"
Yes, we know you have absolutely no rebuttal whatsoever and cannot even begin to disprove what has been posted.
Your entire post had not a single shred of evidence that you had ever been denied admittance to any prestigious organization or luxury home community due to your race. You did not name even one incident.
Yay! You don’t get it at all! Just like I already said!
Oh yes, the BBC is state media, isn’t it... But unless I’m mistaken, the shareholders aren’t the people.
Almost as though I made no consideration for the complexity of the attempt at hiding. If I really wanted to hide text, I’d do it like I did in this post.
Yes, we know you have absolutely no rebuttal whatsoever and cannot even begin to disprove what has been posted.
Yay! You don’t get it at all! Just like I already said!
Also, you can’t have two accounts.
two points.
The BBC isn't state media. It's funded via a licence but is independent from the government. It's an odd set up but does mean it's one of the most respected broadcaster in the world because it can and does take the government to task.
If contributers for this site can have two accounts can't members?
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That's a little harsh. Slurpy was correct that it needed a comment. To describe that comment as PR is being honest, how else would you categorize such a comment? I suspect you perceive PR as a bad thing but that maybe simply because most PR is BS, that doesn't mean all PR is.
PR can be good or bad, depends if it exists to cover your ass and not fix things, or not.
It is a way for companies to get their message out to the general population directly
without the artifice of publicity.
This wasn't an Apple wide policy, so the Apple name gets sullied because of local bigotry.
There needs to be an answer from Cook because it affects the Apple brand, but by putting his weight
behind it, you also know that this won't happen again ANYWHERE on his watch.
If a communications guy or a local guy had said something, it wouldn't have the same force.
Nor a white person’s. What’s your point?
Not every negative encounter between two races is racism. Not every negative encounter between two races where one is white and the other isn’t is racism on the part of the white person.
Tim Cook handled this correctly.
You can say that there’s no evidence of racism here and still agree with Cook on this specific matter, you know. Without any presentable justification for dismissing someone from the store (never mind “right to refuse service to anyone” clauses), either in this video or through internal channels, turning away potential customers is probably worth a pink slip.
Nor a white person’s. What’s your point?
That people who discriminate based on race seldom announce to the victims that it's based on their race.
As a white man in my 50s, I can assure you that doors to prestigious organizations or luxury housing are not closed to me because I am white, so there's no real parallel.
The list of white guys in this thread who comically want to split hairs and lecture us about what is or is not racism grows longer. Take a number and we'll call you for your debriefing.
Your claim is that black people are being discriminated against based primarily on their race but the people who do this discriminating never openly say that. Okay. What is the evidence of discrimination then?
And remember that correlation doesn't prove causation.
Correlation may not be proof, but it sure is good evidence.
But just to cite one example, the three finance professors authored a study that analyzed the mortgages and demographic characteristics of more than 3,500 households during the height of the housing boom—2001, 2004, and 2007—using the Federal Reserve's triennial Survey of Consumer Finances. They found that, on average, black borrowers were charged between 0.29 and 0.31 percentage points more in interest than whites, even after controlling for their debt and credit history.
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Indeed correlation may point to a causal situation. But we seem to have a lot of people relying on that only as the "proof".
Regarding the studies mentioned, were other factors that might be relevant also controlled for?
That correlation is the only evidence that's ever going to be available in the majority of cases now. People don't generally use the N-word when turning down applicants for jobs, housing, loans, admissions, etc.
The study I cited was very much in line with the findings of courts in numerous discrimination lawsuits brought by black and hispanic consumers against some of the nations largest mortgage lenders, including Wells Fargo and Countryside.
Facts and logic are the wrong tools if you want to argue about appearances with a blind person.
It's not an "automatic assumption." Any feeling, empathetic person can conclude that race played a part in the expulsion of these guys just by using what is usually called "emotional intelligence." If you lack that capacity, you will tend to raise questions like the recalcitrants in this thread.
As a white person myself, I can only laugh at this point. I've been following civil rights issues since the days of "colored" drinking fountains in the 1960s, since the days of Bull Conner and George Wallace and the KKK near my beat in southern Indiana, and I can't believe that you guys still don't know enough to keep your mouths shut when some slight redresses have to be made for the generations of white oppression directed at non-Indo-Europeans.
Really? There are some pretty public announcements these days.
That’s funny. I can assure the opposite.
I disagree. I think branding someone a racist, when they're not, is just as bad as racism itself.
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That’s funny. I can assure the opposite.
What are the names of those prestigious organizations or luxury housing developments where you've been told that you're unwelcome because you are white?
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I disagree. I think branding someone a racist, when they're not, is just as bad as racism itself.
You are a racist.
So, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being no problem and 10 being "as bad as being murdered by Dylann Roof for being black," where does my allegation (assuming that it's false) rate?
What are the names of those prestigious organizations or luxury housing developments where you've been told that you're unwelcome because you are white?
Well, if you want to work at the BBC.
If you want to listen to the BBC.
"Radio 2’s reach among black, Asian and minority ethnic audiences over 35 is significantly lower than it is amongst white audiences.
“As Radio 2 has a remit to serve a broad audience...it should address this disparity.”
If you want to be a fireman.
On television.
If you feel like exercising your voting rights or being on a school board.
If you want to be a lawyer or politician.
Going to school at all.
Entering the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (or being a board member thereof)
Again, in television.
If you want to be an indie musician.
Personal aside: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
If you intend to be a juror.
If you want to broadcast on NPR.
If you want to live in Norway.
If you have cystic fibrosis.
Cystic fibrosis “has been recently revealed to only affect white people, and primarily men”
If you want to have a job in the environmental industry.
If you want to live anywhere you’d prefer to live.
If you want to practice yoga.
If you’re in a catalog.
If you want to live in Seattle.
If you want to be in a band.
If you want to live in Tasmania.
If you are WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE. Also if you’re a man.
If you want to be a teacher.
If you want to be in upper management.
If you have a Ph.D.
HIDDEN WHITE TEXT PREDICTION: This is the only one of my examples that you will accept as valid.
If you want to go to school wherever you choose.
If you want to fly your own state’s flag.
If you want to be in a university science lab.
If you are a FUCKING MOUNTAIN.
Don’t you dare try to claim that whites aren’t discriminated against in an ever-growing amount.
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Well, if you want to work at the BBC.
So I asked what prestigious organizations or luxury home developments had denied you entrance due to your race and this is the first thing you come up with? The BBC? Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you live somewhere in the U.S.? Were you planning to emigrate or just have a really long commute?
You went back to a quote from 2001 from someone who left the BBC more than a decade ago. Interestingly, while searching for the source of the comment, I found that it caused quite a stir on neo-Nazi sites like stormfront.org ('White Pride World Wide'):
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t161900/
Is that where you first encountered it?
Why don't we read what Greg Dyke actually told the reporter back in 2001 when he made that quote?
The BBC is 'hideously white' according to Greg Dyke, the corporation's director-general.
Mr Dyke did not say the corporation was racist but acknowledged that, in common with the Metropolitan Police, it had a problem with race relations.
He admitted the management structure at the BBC was more than 98 per cent white.
And he said the organisation was unable to retain staff from ethnic minorities and questioned if they were made to feel welcome.
Mr Dyke said: 'I think the BBC is hideously white. I think the BBC is a predominantly white organisation. The figures we have at the moment suggest that quite a lot of people from different ethnic backgrounds that we do attract to the BBC leave. Maybe they don't feel at home, maybe they don't feel welcome.'
A failure of the corporation's equal opportunities policies was most noticeable at the highest levels, he said.
'Our biggest problem is at management level. I had a management Christmas lunch and as I looked around I thought, 'we've got a real problem here'. There were 80-odd people there and only one person who wasn't white,' he said.
Mr Dyke insisted the BBC was committed to eradicating racism but voiced concerns that similar determination was missing among some elements of the police.
He said: 'I was at a dinner when I sat next to the person who advises the Metropolitan Police on race relations and I said, 'we've both got a problem in this area'.'
He said the BBC was an organisation that 'understood' the problem and wanted to do something about it. 'I'm not at all sure that the Metropolitan Police at all sorts of levels actually does,' he added.
He added that by 2003, 10 per cent of the BBC's UK workforce and 4 per cent of management would be from ethnic minority backgrounds.
Mr Dyke added: 'You can have all the equal opportunities policies you like, but if actually, the gateman doesn't let blacks through the gates, you've got a problem, haven't you? I don't believe the BBC is like that, but we are not saying, 'what are we going to do about this?'.'
A spokeswoman for the Commission for Racial Equality said Mr Dyke had made similar statements before but welcomed his latest remarks.
She said: 'I welcome his acknowledgement that there's a problem and that he's trying to do something about it.
'I think the key is getting the senior management to reflect the society we live in and that's a real challenge because once that situation is sorted then that will obviously have a beneficial knock-on effect on the rest of the corporation.'
If you want to listen to the BBC.
How does making a radio station more appealing to minorities prevent you from listening to it?
That was a story about white residents using redistricting in order to unseat black school board members. It was an attempt to disenfranchise the 45.8% of the population that was black. I recommend that people read this exposé on what really happened. It's entitled "Breaking black: The right-wing plot to split a school board"
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/blacks-texas-town-fear-return-old-days
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If you want to be a lawyer or politician.
That out-of-context quote was from twenty-something, white, male Mathieu Fluery, an elected Ottowa city councillor, who was answering a reporter's question about his role in politics at such a young age:
Quote from the University of Ottowa's Tabaret:
Interviewer- That’s a challenge you would expect to be taken on by a 50-year-old rather than an almost-30-year-old…
Mathieu Fleury- In the political realm, I’ve seen too many white, male lawyers in their sixties. I think it’s time for a breath of fresh air. Better yet: diversity. More women, more immigrants, more differing opinions—otherwise, our political system will become fossilized. I’m contributing in my own way, but we need more, much more.
Wow, how horrible that he would encourage people who are not white, male lawyers in their sixties to become involved in the political realm.
You're just wasting my time with misleading, out-of-context quotes.
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HIDDEN WHITE TEXT PREDICTION: This is the only one of my examples that you will accept as valid.
I have neither the time nor the patience for that kind of stuff.
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Don’t you dare try to claim that whites aren’t discriminated against in an ever-growing amount.
Yeah, you're a white, male conservative, so you're a victim. Your shitty life isn't your fault. You're a victim of discrimination. Your life sucks because of blacks, gays, illegal immigrants, liberals, the media, activist judges, taxes, regulations, atheists, Muslims, environmentalists, feminists, the intellectual elite, etc. Got it.
But, in conclusion, you could not cite any examples of where you were denied admission into any prestigious organization or luxury housing because you were white. Thanks for confirming that.
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So I asked what prestigious organizations or luxury home developments had denied you entrance due to your race and this is the first thing you come up with?
Almost as though I comprehend the argument more than you do.
You went back to a quote from 2001 from someone who left the BBC more than a decade ago.
And? “Because it’s old, it’s wrong/irrelevant”; is that your claim?
Hey, nice insults! I’m sure that the BBC boss first posted his comments about his hatred of whiteness on a white supremacy site, sure. That definitely happened. Yep.
He said exactly what I said. There’s no excuse for or context within that statement is anything but explicitly racist, save to say, “The BBC is hideously white... the building, that is. We’re going to paint it a darker shade of grey so that it doesn’t glare in people’s eyes as they drive into town.”
When it shuts down programs for not appealing to minorities.
You’re sure?
Yes, I know about that hoax, sure.
And yet you comprehend what it says just as well as I do. Or maybe you don’t, and that’s terrifying.
Except that’s not even remotely what his actions or statements suggest, and you know this.
Ha! Knew it.
Sure. Just like anyone else can be.
Aww, thanks, but I take responsibility for the things within my power.
Thanks for admitting it.
The problem with you is that I’m fiercely egalitarian and speak out when things skew away from that.
Reported for ignoring evidence right in your face.
Almost as though I comprehend the argument more than you do.
No, it's not at all like that.
So not continuing to use minority tax dollars to fund programming that appeals to an almost exclusively white audience is racist?
Yes, I know about that hoax, sure.
Since you did not show any evidence that the article was inaccurate, I'm dismissing your "hoax" comment as having no merit or basis in fact.
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You seem very proud of the fact that your simplistic attempt to hide text failed. That's odd.
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Thanks for admitting it.
You should read this article entitled "Traumatic brain injury may lead to difficulty understanding sarcasm":
http://www.apa.org/monitor/sep04/traumatic.aspx
Your entire post had not a single shred of evidence that you had ever been denied admittance to any prestigious organization or luxury home community due to your race. You did not name even one incident.
So not continuing to use minority tax dollars to fund programming that appeals to an almost exclusively white audience is racist?
Oh yes, the BBC is state media, isn’t it... But unless I’m mistaken, the shareholders aren’t the people.
Almost as though I made no consideration for the complexity of the attempt at hiding. If I really wanted to hide text, I’d do it like I did in this post.
Yes, we know you have absolutely no rebuttal whatsoever and cannot even begin to disprove what has been posted.
Yay! You don’t get it at all! Just like I already said!
Also, you can’t have two accounts.
The BBC isn't state media. It's funded via a licence but is independent from the government. It's an odd set up but does mean it's one of the most respected broadcaster in the world because it can and does take the government to task.
If contributers for this site can have two accounts can't members?
A license that is required by law.
*coughRotherhamcough*
Ooh, fierce! I’m on your side now.
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