Rumor calls for 256GB option on iPhone 7 Plus, but some details sound implausible

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  • Reply 21 of 29
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    wood1208 said:
    foggyhill said:

    Sony, the company which is selling next to no phone. Yes, lets emulate them.

    Apple said no larger screen iphone over 3.5" than offered 4" than offered you know where I am going. Same story for ipad. Now we hearing Apple will help upgrade/replace iphone for those who holding out, not letting go their current iphone 4s/5/5s. So, never say never again about Apple and nothing to emulate anyone offering one or two extra sizes. It's just a business to provide/sell what people want. This year holiday season, phablet was one category that grew significant so you know choices are not dead yet.
    They said such thing and you god damn know it.

    BTW, at that time, a phone was still a phone. So, for its main use, 3.5 to 4 inch is ideal.
    These days, use case has changed a lot and use as a tablet has superceeded the phone use case, thus bigger smart phones.
  • Reply 22 of 29
    appexappex Posts: 687member
    What about standards like eSIM and USB 3.1 Type C (reversible) Generation 2 port?
  • Reply 23 of 29
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,454member
    appex said:
    What about standards like eSIM and USB 3.1 Type C (reversible) Generation 2 port?
    What about USB-C? Apple is clearly pushing Lightning, as a replacement for the mini-USB-A connector in all of its products. Regardless of USB-C as a universal standard, there are still going to be devices which need a smaller connector. The USB-C connector is 2.6mm high, 8.4mm wide, and ~9.5mm deep; Lightning is 1.5mm high, and 6.7mm wide and deep. Also there is no point for including USB-C as Lightning is perfectly capable of delivering the same performance. The only reason for it, is so that your dongles and accessories for the Mac work on the iPhone. But keep in mind, Apple has many more restrictions on how dongles will work on iOS devices than they do on the Mac, particularly for power consumption, so adapters wouldn't likely be interchangeable anyway, nor would Apple necessarily want you to be able to do that. In fact, it could cause a lot of confusion as customers buy USB-C devices and plug them into the iPhone/iPad only to find they don't work, or worse yet cause damage. About the only reason to make the ports universal would be for charging cables. And I'm not sure how beneficial that would be to anyone. The power supplies are sure to be different, and it's far from assured that the PC industry will charge their devices using USB-C, or that their power supplies will be compatible. Apple gives you a Lightning charger, so if you need one in the field, you're far more likely to find a compatible adapter from an iPhone user than any other source. So I'm hard pressed to understand why people keep insisting on this universal port be included in the iPhone and iPad as well.
  • Reply 24 of 29
    Apple shouldn't limit features like increased flash storage or camera OIS based on the size of the device. If one prefers the smaller screen and device size, they shouldn't suffer by not having these other upgrade options available.
  • Reply 25 of 29
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,913member
    mac_128 said:
    wood1208 said:
    Apple said no larger screen iphone over 3.5" than offered 4" than offered you know where I am going. Same story for ipad. Now we hearing Apple will help upgrade/replace iphone for those who holding out, not letting go their current iphone 4s/5/5s. So, never say never again about Apple and nothing to emulate anyone offering one or two extra sizes. It's just a business to provide/sell what people want. This year holiday season, phablet was one category that grew significant so you know choices are not dead yet.
    I don't believe Apple ever said they would never make a phone larger than 3.5". What they said is that it was the perfect size, and they believed a good phone design should be able to be held in one hand.

    When the 5 came out, they essentially put a 4" screen into the same-sized phone, making a big deal about how they managed to do it, while allowing customers to still easily use it in one hand. But what it got them was something far more important, the ability to display 1080p HD video, which was becoming important for the ability of the phone to shoot HD video, as well as game designers who formatted for HD, two major selling points for the iPhone. So they didn't really change the size of the phone so much as they changed the aspect ratio, which was never something they said they wouldn't do. In fact I never understood where they got the aspect ratio for the 3.5" screen in the first place. The larger phones don't give them much except more market share, and larger displays for better web browsing, which is becoming an increasingly more important aspect of the phone than using it one hand. In fact the phone has become the least of its many features for most. Now that they've successfully launched two new sizes that address that reality, they are getting back to their original design principles (they can say), and address the customer they originally brainwashed, or rather offer a more conveniently sized mobile device, for those who still believe "the right device for the task".

    But offering 3 sizes of a product is one thing, filling every size gap is another. In fact I don't understand companies like Sony, who use to have their act together, such that Steve Jobs idolized an modeled Apple after them. But Apple has the right idea, and after seeing their success in streamlining products, it's hard to imagine any company doing anything else. In fact I don't really understand why Apple offers so many color choices for products which most customers end up putting a case on anyway. As long as it doesn't cost them much to do it, I guess it helps with marketing.

    Apple has always offered a choice in sizes -- the iPod has traditionally had 3 different size options, and has had up to 4. MacBooks have always been defined by at least 3-4 different size options, and desktops currently have 3-4 different size options depending on how you look at it. And now the iPad. So it's no surprise the phone will as well. Despite Apple's previous statements that they would not make larger phones until they could do it right, they have covered themselves with this so-called "reachability" feature for one handed use. The iPad mini seems like a real stretch in philosophy based particularly on things Steve Jobs said, but they certainly did it better than Android did. And they stuck with the 4:3 aspect ratio instead of the 16:9 that the Android crowd uses, making it far better for reading with no real compromises for movies and gaming.

    So Apple seems to be taking a reasonable approach to size-offerings, coming up with a good set of compromises that appeal to a wide range of customers, rather than throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks. But what's mystifying is anyone who looks at Apple's product history over the last decade and rejects the rumor that Apple would offer smaller phone offering, or upgrading the flagship phone with more storage, despite compelling reasons for having it.
    Good points,well done. Apple did cover most ground with 4",4,7"and 5.5" screen sizes but should consider one more above 6" because as you mentioned, calling is least used feature and internet browsing is the most than bigger is better fits well for that purpose. One observation is every android phone manufacture struggle to find and make phones for the sweet spot between 4.7"-5.5"(5"-5,3") and above 5.5"(5.7"-6.8") but sizes are all over with no consensus. When Apple figures out to embed home button under the screen to reduce the overall size of the phone than will certainly find the sweet spot for iphone PRO over 5.5".

    edited January 2016
  • Reply 26 of 29
    mac_128 said:
    What about USB-C? Apple is clearly pushing Lightning, as a replacement for the mini-USB-A connector in all of its products.
    I’m still sure that Apple will offer dual Thunderbolt 3/USB C ports.

    Dock Connector wasn’t mini USB…
    edited January 2016
  • Reply 27 of 29
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,454member
    mac_128 said:
    What about USB-C? Apple is clearly pushing Lightning, as a replacement for the mini-USB-A connector in all of its products.
    I’m still sure that Apple will offer dual Thunderbolt 3/USB C ports.

    Dock Connector wasn’t mini USB…
    Maybe. But the dock connector was developed exclusively for the iPod to provide a wide variety of connectivity the mini-USB connector couldn't. The iPod originally started with FireWire, which was also smaller than the dock connector. So there were broader considerations, including a need for an anologue output, which at the time didn't matter because size wasn't a concern. The iPhone inherited the substantial connector which made integration into the Apple mobile family and adoption easy, but clealry began causing design problems for them in their quest to shrink the size of the phone and add features. I suppose they could have switched to mini-USB at that time, but Lightning is a far better mini-connector solution.

    If Apple in fact removes the 3.5mm jack in preference to Lightning audio, the Macs will eventually have to have them as well; otherwise, to use Apple's own Lightning earphones will require an adapter. And on some products like the new Retina MacBook, there simply isn't room at present for two USB C ports and a Lightning port. The fact that Lightning will be able to support USB 3 speeds, means it's more than capable of meeting the needs of a second USB-C port where space is a consideration. On the other hand, Apple seemingly wants customers to move to wireless, so requiring a USB-C to Lightning adapter for some products, like the rMB is one way to further push customers in that direction, and so is limiting the number of available ports. But Desktop and "Pro" Macs will undoubtably have at least two USB-C ports.
  • Reply 28 of 29
    ksecksec Posts: 1,569member
    simply258 said:
    They'll probably have 3 options: 16GB, 128GB and 256GB.
    It is more likely to be xGB, 64GB, then 256GB. It puts more incentive for people to buy the top range, highest margin product. 

    Second, They SERIOUSLY needs to get rid of 16GB. If not I may as well start a shareholder vote process just to get rid of it. Even if it hurt Apple's bottom line.
    * Who bloody cares about the bottom line, Wall Street does't like Apple. Current P/E is 11.5, forward P/E = ( that is the P/E for year 2015 )

    The experience for iPhone on 16GB is basically crap. You are putting reliance on WiFi / 4G Network for your iCloud, as well as Apple Music. Not only are photos getting bigger, video getting bigger, Apps getting bigger. Apple are also expecting people use Apple Music when they dont have enough space to download and store it?

    16GB iPhone is also slower, due to the fact 16GB NAND module are a lot slower then the 64GB / 128GB version. Much like SSD, the there is a capacity sweetspot for SSD speed, on desktop that starts at 128GB. ( It really depends on how many Channels those chip are being interleaved )

    Then there is the iCloud Backup and iOS upgrade. 16GB people are not upgrading because they dont have enough space to download, as well as space during installation.

    This is not the experience for a Premium Phone on the Market! 
     
  • Reply 29 of 29
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    sec said:
    If not I may as well start a shareholder vote process just to get rid of it.
    Dangerous precedent.
    palomine
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