Wow. Just wow. I had heard about the Reality Distortion Field, but I never really believed it until now. Do you guys ever read the rest of the Internet, or do you just stay on this site and jerk each other off?
There's nothing in the iPhone that hadn't already been done before on some other phone. The brilliant thing that Jobs did was line up all the parts manufacturers and make the phone that people had been asking for, rather than taking the safe route like the moron MBAs at mobile hardware companies. I bought the first iPhone and I loved it. Not because, "OMG I never imagined a phone could be like this!" but because, "Finally someone manufactured the phone we have all been asking for!"
Pot calling the kettle black : You need to check your own revisionist history making
"There nothing in the iPhone that hasn't ben done before on some other phone>"
If you means the actual components in side the phone you may be right but come on , you know perfectly well that when the iPhone came out there was a chorus so loud saying it was:
1) Over priced 2) couldn't exist without a hardware keyboard 3) was a toy for mac fanboys
etc etc.
No other phone before it was able to: 1) do smooth scrolling 2) non sequential voicemail 3) a real desktop quality browser, with real pinch to zoom
to name a few
All the phones on the market completely failed at most of these and were unable to match it in performance and Battery life.
So please stop it with your obvious lies. Do you actually remember the default phones back then? Feature phones with tiny screen with that ridiculous outmoded Symbian OS.
So, Apple invented smooth scrolling, non-sequential voicemail, pinch to zoom, and desktop quality browsers? Or they added "on a phone"?
I give Apple full credit for putting, in one package, all the things people had been begging for. The smooth scrolling comes from Apple's careful control of the hardware and software, which I like. The non-sequential was not invented, but was rather part of the exclusive deal they made with ATT. Apple implemented those things, and did an awesome job at it, well worth the extra money, but they did not invent those things. Are you saying that Android copied the IOS implementation?
Apple added "on a phone", and made some deals with AT&T and parts suppliers. Their implementation is excellent, but no one copied their implementation. "on a phone" was the part that was copied. And Apple has full bragging rights, and $200B in the bank to show for it.
For years fandroids have been telling us it's a special feature that Apple's hardware/software is too weak to handle!!!!!!!!1
I work at Google.
Wow. Just wow. I had heard about the Reality Distortion Field, but I never really believed it until now. Do you guys ever read the rest of the Internet, or do you just stay on this site and jerk each other off?
1) Google hates Flash and has been working to destroy it for at least as long as Apple has, if not longer. Google doesn't own the entire eco-system, like Apple does, and can't make such just universal edicts as Apple can, or as quickly.
2) The reason Jobs cut Flash was not because Flash is ugly and has security holes. Jobs cut Flash because Adobe, which got it's start from Apple, was only focusing on the Windows version of Flash and the other versions of Flash were crap.
3) This is not the first action Google has taken against Flash. The iSheep are acting like Google just woke up this morning and suddenly saw the light. Google has been hacking away at Flash for as long as Apple has. Flash makes it much harder to index the contents of the Internet and Google has forever been pushing HTML5 over Flash. Google is just not willing to suddenly take the decision making away from its users. Apple is. And there are pros and cons to both approaches.
4) Google publicly bought the Android company and set out to get into the mobile phone business long before Apple announced the iPhone and long before Eric Schmidt was on the Apple board. Apple knew that Google was working on a phone long before Google knew that Apple was working on one. The first Android phone was announced shortly after the first iPhone. Saying that Android copied Apple because it was released a few months later is as ridiculous as saying that Apple copied the LG Prada because it was released the year before.
There's nothing in the iPhone that hadn't already been done before on some other phone. The brilliant thing that Jobs did was line up all the parts manufacturers and make the phone that people had been asking for, rather than taking the safe route like the moron MBAs at mobile hardware companies. I bought the first iPhone and I loved it. Not because, "OMG I never imagined a phone could be like this!" but because, "Finally someone manufactured the phone we have all been asking for!"
5) No one ever said that Apple hardware/software was too weak to handle Flash. The Flash player for OX S and IOS just sucks because it was poorly written by Adobe. More than half of the engineers at Google use Apple product and love them.
6) The only people who like Flash are the people who write apps in it.
Wow. I mean wow. You people really need to get out to the rest of the Internet more often and learn something.
I'll pick your first statement, 1) to dissect.
Your statement:
1) Google hates Flash and has been working to destroy it for at least as long as Apple has, if not longer. Google doesn't own the entire eco-system, like Apple does, and can't make such just universal edicts as Apple can, or as quickly.
"He also promised that full support for Adobe’s Flash standard was coming in the next version of Android, code-named Froyo, for frozen yogurt (previous Android releases were called Cupcake, Donut and Eclair, and are represented outside Building 44 on the Google campus with giant sculptures of the desserts). Sometimes being open “means not being militant about the things consumer are actually enjoying,” he said."
These two statements and the timing do not demonstrate the point that you were trying to make in your statement above, and in fact demonstrate the reverse. I feel safe in dismissing your statement as bullshit.
One other thing to consider in all of this is that, even though Apple doesn't invent a lot of the technology used in their products, they do go through the proper channels to obtain or license the rights to that technology.
I don't know. That sounds sort of fan boyish. Apple has been found to infringe on others' patents numerous times and had to pay millions in settlements, but I'm sure a proper fan boy would claim that all the courts were simply anti-Apple and they were wrongly accused. Heck, they even stole the name iPhone and were immediately called out on it.
So… less time than Apple. And yet Apple managed to do it without problem. Then why does working for them mean anything? Cute. Adorable. Saccharine. Marvin, et. al., please let this be his last post here. 1999 called. They want their “Apple only does marketing” garbage back.
I see you don't have any actual responses.
Hey! Kinda like you dodging as to why google doesn't remove (rewrite) Flash from it's own websites?
Wow. Just wow. I had heard about the Reality Distortion Field, but I never really believed it until now. Do you guys ever read the rest of the Internet, or do you just stay on this site and jerk each other off?
1) Google hates Flash and has been working to destroy it for at least as long as Apple has, if not longer. Google doesn't own the entire eco-system, like Apple does, and can't make such just universal edicts as Apple can, or as quickly.
2) The reason Jobs cut Flash was not because Flash is ugly and has security holes. Jobs cut Flash because Adobe, which got it's start from Apple, was only focusing on the Windows version of Flash and the other versions of Flash were crap.
3) This is not the first action Google has taken against Flash. The iSheep are acting like Google just woke up this morning and suddenly saw the light. Google has been hacking away at Flash for as long as Apple has. Flash makes it much harder to index the contents of the Internet and Google has forever been pushing HTML5 over Flash. Google is just not willing to suddenly take the decision making away from its users. Apple is. And there are pros and cons to both approaches.
4) Google publicly bought the Android company and set out to get into the mobile phone business long before Apple announced the iPhone and long before Eric Schmidt was on the Apple board. Apple knew that Google was working on a phone long before Google knew that Apple was working on one. The first Android phone was announced shortly after the first iPhone. Saying that Android copied Apple because it was released a few months later is as ridiculous as saying that Apple copied the LG Prada because it was released the year before.
There's nothing in the iPhone that hadn't already been done before on some other phone. The brilliant thing that Jobs did was line up all the parts manufacturers and make the phone that people had been asking for, rather than taking the safe route like the moron MBAs at mobile hardware companies. I bought the first iPhone and I loved it. Not because, "OMG I never imagined a phone could be like this!" but because, "Finally someone manufactured the phone we have all been asking for!"
5) No one ever said that Apple hardware/software was too weak to handle Flash. The Flash player for OX S and IOS just sucks because it was poorly written by Adobe. More than half of the engineers at Google use Apple product and love them.
6) The only people who like Flash are the people who write apps in it.
Wow. I mean wow. You people really need to get out to the rest of the Internet more often and learn something.
I'll pick your first statement, 1) to dissect.
Your statement:
1) Google hates Flash and has been working to destroy it for at least as long as Apple has, if not longer. Google doesn't own the entire eco-system, like Apple does, and can't make such just universal edicts as Apple can, or as quickly.
"He also promised that full support for Adobe’s Flash standard was coming in the next version of Android, code-named Froyo, for frozen yogurt (previous Android releases were called Cupcake, Donut and Eclair, and are represented outside Building 44 on the Google campus with giant sculptures of the desserts). Sometimes being open “means not being militant about the things consumer are actually enjoying,” he said."
These two statements and the timing do not demonstrate the point that you were trying to make in your statement above, and in fact demonstrate the reverse. I feel safe in dismissing your statement as bullshit.
Sure, he said Android was going to support it. Because they were. They felt they had to at that time, because there was so much of it on the Internet. He didn't say anything about whether he liked Flash or what Googles plans for the future were.
Meanwhile, Google was hard at work supporting HTML5 and flushing Flash from its eco system.
Hey! Kinda like you dodging as to why google doesn't remove (rewrite) Flash from it's own websites?
They pretty much have. We've been running here without Flash in our browsers for a while now.
I've only seem one Flash thing on a Google page, on Google Finance. I guess that team doesn't have it as a priority to rewrite that widget just now. Where else do you see Flash? It was never really a big thing at Google to start with. Only a few odd teams used it.
1) Google hates Flash and has been working to destroy it for at least as long as Apple has, if not longer. Google doesn't own the entire eco-system, like Apple does, and can't make such just universal edicts as Apple can, or as quickly.
"He also promised that full support for Adobe’s Flash standard was coming in the next version of Android, code-named Froyo, for frozen yogurt (previous Android releases were called Cupcake, Donut and Eclair, and are represented outside Building 44 on the Google campus with giant sculptures of the desserts). Sometimes being open “means not being militant about the things consumer are actually enjoying,” he said."
These two statements and the timing do not demonstrate the point that you were trying to make in your statement above, and in fact demonstrate the reverse. I feel safe in dismissing your statement as bullshit.
Sure, he said Android was going to support it. Because they were. They felt they had to at that time, because there was so much of it on the Internet. He didn't say anything about whether he liked Flash or what Googles plans for the future were.
Meanwhile, Google was hard at work supporting HTML5 and flushing Flash from its eco system.
You do realize that you are absolutely unconvincing in your defense of Google's acton on Flash? I can only speculate that you work in Google PR and are being compensated to do this.
2) The reason Jobs cut Flash was not because Flash is ugly and has security holes. Jobs cut Flash because Adobe, which got it's start from Apple, was only focusing on the Windows version of Flash and the other versions of Flash were crap.
Am I mistaken or did Steve Jobs not use Flash on mobile devices because it was a drain on battery life?
Yes, Google was trying to get rid of Flash from day one. Certainly from at least five years ago. But rather than just chop it out completely, they realized that a huge portion of the Internet used it, so they were pushing for a gradual transition to HTML 5. And it's been working. If individual hardware manufacturers were touting Flash compatibility, take it up with them.
No, I don't speak for Google. That doesn't mean I don't have an opinion.
What is it that you think Google blatantly copied from the iPhone to Android? Rounded corners and a touchscreen? That's hardware, not Android, and those things were already on the market. And array of icons? Those were already on desktops. Multi-touch gestures? Anyone who's seen Minority Report knows that Apple didn't "invent" that. Apple had the guts to put together the package that people wanted, Apple was first to market with the complete package, and Apple has been richly rewarded, having been catapulted to the position of most valuable company in the world with $200B in the bank. At best, Android copied a few things from the same places that Apple copied them, just as Apple copied some of the same things that Android copied.
I love Apple. I have an Apple laptop. Best UI there is, bar none. I owned the iPhones 1 and 3 and thought they were great. Except Android let me get stuff done faster by not dumbing down the UI, so I switched. I think Apple is an amazing innovator and industry leader. Steve Jobs was revered at Google, and his death was one of the few times when Google posted a memorial on their front page. But Apple didn't invent any of those things. They packaged them up the right way.
Fracking Google and OEM's used used it as a point to pound Apple, you must think we all have Alzheimers. I'm tired of people blatantly spouting pure BS and thinking we'll just let it slide. All I hear is self-serving after the fact drivel that doesn't jibe with actual reality.
Considering first version of Android were an embarrassing stuttering mess; claiming to actually care about the user experience is a ridiculous assertion.
Also, If they thought the opposite internally to what they did externally, it would only makes them massive hypocrites and category one bullshitters. Seems that's their claim to fame.
If you break any major invention down into it's component parts, you'll find that it's built from ideas which came before it. Nothing is created in a vacuum.
Ah, so, “You didn’t build that!” was actually true, since no one transmuted, say, the aluminum for their airplane from free vacuum hydrogen.
Wait a minute... Hydrogen and helium were created in a vacuum! Don’t you get me started on that quark nonsense. We all know they’re being kept down by The Man.
“Who’s, uh... who’s ‘the man’ in this scenario?”
I dunno; the Meson Consortium and their attempt to cover up the true Compton wavelengths of the various other particles.
For years fandroids have been telling us it's a special feature that Apple's hardware/software is too weak to handle!!!!!!!!1
I work at Google.
Wow. Just wow. I had heard about the Reality Distortion Field, but I never really believed it until now. Do you guys ever read the rest of the Internet, or do you just stay on this site and jerk each other off?
1) Google hates Flash and has been working to destroy it for at least as long as Apple has, if not longer. Google doesn't own the entire eco-system, like Apple does, and can't make such just universal edicts as Apple can, or as quickly.
2) The reason Jobs cut Flash was not because Flash is ugly and has security holes. Jobs cut Flash because Adobe, which got it's start from Apple, was only focusing on the Windows version of Flash and the other versions of Flash were crap.
3) This is not the first action Google has taken against Flash. The iSheep are acting like Google just woke up this morning and suddenly saw the light. Google has been hacking away at Flash for as long as Apple has. Flash makes it much harder to index the contents of the Internet and Google has forever been pushing HTML5 over Flash. Google is just not willing to suddenly take the decision making away from its users. Apple is. And there are pros and cons to both approaches.
4) Google publicly bought the Android company and set out to get into the mobile phone business long before Apple announced the iPhone and long before Eric Schmidt was on the Apple board. Apple knew that Google was working on a phone long before Google knew that Apple was working on one. The first Android phone was announced shortly after the first iPhone. Saying that Android copied Apple because it was released a few months later is as ridiculous as saying that Apple copied the LG Prada because it was released the year before.
There's nothing in the iPhone that hadn't already been done before on some other phone. The brilliant thing that Jobs did was line up all the parts manufacturers and make the phone that people had been asking for, rather than taking the safe route like the moron MBAs at mobile hardware companies. I bought the first iPhone and I loved it. Not because, "OMG I never imagined a phone could be like this!" but because, "Finally someone manufactured the phone we have all been asking for!"
5) No one ever said that Apple hardware/software was too weak to handle Flash. The Flash player for OX S and IOS just sucks because it was poorly written by Adobe. More than half of the engineers at Google use Apple product and love them.
6) The only people who like Flash are the people who write apps in it.
Wow. I mean wow. You people really need to get out to the rest of the Internet more often and learn something.
If Google wanted to destroy Flash, Google would have stamped out Flash from Android before Apple did it. If you're trying to break an addiction to something, you're not helping yourself at all if you keep the object of addition within reach of you. Content providers who are after eyeballs couldn't care less about HTML5 being better than Flash. Apple shut a lot of content providers off from a rather large number of eyeballs, and that's what got their attention. I'm sure the Internet would have eventually moved to HTML5 given time. But the change would have been much slower.
Most people on this forum apparently aren't very good at reading. The fact that Flash based ads will not be accepted anymore doesn't mean that Flash content is going to disappear, nor should it. Flash will be around for a very long time, and it has all the right to do so. It is a great browser plugin that is in no way surpassed by any other technology (yet).
Most people on this forum apparently aren't very good at reading. The fact that Flash based ads will not be accepted anymore doesn't mean that Flash content is going to disappear, nor should it. Flash will be around for a very long time, and it has all the right to do so. It is a great browser plugin that is in no way surpassed by any other technology (yet).
Hey there, Adobe shill posting from Adobe corporate HQ; how’s life treating you?
We had posts just like this–proven to be from Adobe IP addresses–back in aught eight when Apple struck the fatal wound to your garbage. How has it felt, these last few years? Probably not all that good.
Maybe you shouldn’t have spurned the company that created yours, eh?
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I give Apple full credit for putting, in one package, all the things people had been begging for. The smooth scrolling comes from Apple's careful control of the hardware and software, which I like. The non-sequential was not invented, but was rather part of the exclusive deal they made with ATT. Apple implemented those things, and did an awesome job at it, well worth the extra money, but they did not invent those things. Are you saying that Android copied the IOS implementation?
Apple added "on a phone", and made some deals with AT&T and parts suppliers. Their implementation is excellent, but no one copied their implementation. "on a phone" was the part that was copied. And Apple has full bragging rights, and $200B in the bank to show for it.
Your statement:
1) Google hates Flash and has been working to destroy it for at least as long as Apple has, if not longer. Google doesn't own the entire eco-system, like Apple does, and can't make such just universal edicts as Apple can, or as quickly.
Steve Jobs statement;
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/
April 29, 2010
Andy Rubin's statement;
Two days previous to that, Andy Rubin of Google is interviewed by The New York Times:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/googles-andy-rubin-on-everything-android/?_r=0
April 27, 2010
"He also promised that full support for Adobe’s Flash standard was coming in the next version of Android, code-named Froyo, for frozen yogurt (previous Android releases were called Cupcake, Donut and Eclair, and are represented outside Building 44 on the Google campus with giant sculptures of the desserts). Sometimes being open “means not being militant about the things consumer are actually enjoying,” he said."
These two statements and the timing do not demonstrate the point that you were trying to make in your statement above, and in fact demonstrate the reverse. I feel safe in dismissing your statement as bullshit.
Meanwhile, Google was hard at work supporting HTML5 and flushing Flash from its eco system.
They pretty much have. We've been running here without Flash in our browsers for a while now.
I've only seem one Flash thing on a Google page, on Google Finance. I guess that team doesn't have it as a priority to rewrite that widget just now. Where else do you see Flash? It was never really a big thing at Google to start with. Only a few odd teams used it.
I'm tired of people blatantly spouting pure BS and thinking we'll just let it slide. All I hear is self-serving after the fact drivel that doesn't jibe with actual reality.
Considering first version of Android were an embarrassing stuttering mess; claiming to actually care about the user experience is a ridiculous assertion.
Also, If they thought the opposite internally to what they did externally, it would only makes them massive hypocrites and category one bullshitters.
Seems that's their claim to fame.
Ah, so, “You didn’t build that!” was actually true, since no one transmuted, say, the aluminum for their airplane from free vacuum hydrogen.
Wait a minute... Hydrogen and helium were created in a vacuum! Don’t you get me started on that quark nonsense. We all know they’re being kept down by The Man.
“Who’s, uh... who’s ‘the man’ in this scenario?”
I dunno; the Meson Consortium and their attempt to cover up the true Compton wavelengths of the various other particles.
But good to see TS back in action.
We had posts just like this–proven to be from Adobe IP addresses–back in aught eight when Apple struck the fatal wound to your garbage. How has it felt, these last few years? Probably not all that good.
Maybe you shouldn’t have spurned the company that created yours, eh?