I would have given the same answer. Nevertheless I am not 100% sure that Apple does not have a back door to get access to the device. During development a new versions of the hardware and iOS, such a tool would be really handy during testing
I would have given the same answer. Nevertheless I am not 100% sure that Apple does not have a back door to get access to the device. During development a new versions of the hardware and iOS, such a tool would be really handy during testing
They have the keys to the devices in their possession. They do not have the keys that kick in when a customer puts their password on the device. That is the event that initiates the generation of the key.
Apple's position on this is absurd. They should be working to devise a way to comply with the order and maintain security of all other products. The two goals are not incompatible. For example, require the work be physically contained and under Apple's control. The terrorist's phone does not leave the Apple facility. The FBI works with Apple's people on Apple's property with the agreement that the phone does not leave Apple's control with the work-around loaded into it.
The entire attitude should be about getting this job done while maintaining the security of everyone else.
Short of this or some approach along a similar line of thinking, the FBI should seek Tim Cook's arrest, fines and a period of imprisonment for Contempt of Court. If that fails to obtain the necessary response, further prosecution should follow.
So if the Chinese government orders Apple to do them the same favour so they can hack the phones of CIA, NSA and other US government personnel, what should Apple do?
If Apple were to lose this case, then say goodbye to your personal data forever, because once a so-called "back-door" is created – any hacker will have access to all your personal information. Fact: No gov't agency has ever been able to protect digital data from being hacked – including the Pentagon and White House. If they get an "encryption key", so will any serious hacker out there. They always do. And by setting a precedent, expect other governments in other countries to demand the exact same thing for any reason they feel like.
To give government law enforcement agencies whatever they want with no legal protection for individual personal privacy is by definition a police state.
Apple doesn't have to create a "backdoor" to comply with legitimate security requests. From another site:
"...it would be possible to put the iPhone into DFU mode and then overwrite the firmware with a version that has neither the auto-erase mode nor delays between passcode attempts. The FBI could then trivially brute-force its way into the phone.
The FBI can’t overwrite the firmware because the device checks for a valid Apple signature. The FBI doesn’t have this. But Apple does. Apple could thus create signed firmware without the protections designed to defeat brute-force attacks, and hand the phone back to the FBI."
User data can still stay private with no secret government backdoors that might be taken advantage of by hackers. Personally I don't see this as an insurmountable problem.
So can Apple be forced to comply? Would Tim Cook say he'd go to jail before he'd comply with this request? Does this go all the way to the Supreme Court and nothing happens until next year?
In Soviet Russia, the phones have back doors to YOU!
However, in the USA (Hilary hopes to change the name, by executive order, to the "People's Republic of the United States of America"), the government only demands access all information that you have, to be able to access it without serving a warrant through agreeable/eager telecoms (I'm looking at you, AT&T), so that they can go fishing for legal issues at their whim.
Seriously, if we keep heading down the path we are on as a society ("hell yes, give the government access to all the private info so that they can stop a terrorist from killing the children!"), we will get to a point where ubiquitous monolithic government buildings full of computer banks continuously monitor everything everyone says or does since we will all have portable devices with always-on microphones, location tracking, activity monitoring, etc. (already in place - all iPhone 6's and higher do it, as do competitors' devices).
Imagine what happens if you mutter the wrong words at the wrong time, or maybe in the wrong place... the automated monitoring systems takes note... The AI stratifies the "threat" using a risk analysis based on all the other private info about you that has been collected (such as scripts of all your phone calls, travel patterns, social site comments, etc.). It routes the analysis and the specifics of your "threat" to the appropriate agency: FBI, NSA, Secret Service.
If you are lucky, you just get heavily scrutinized by the FBI or some other agency. But if you are unfortunate to talk about something exploding while you are in a fertilizer store ("Hot dang, Bubba. It ain't that bad! Don't blow up on me!"), you end up finding out first-hand that whether water-boarding is still used or not.
Soon, people are afraid to talk freely on phones. Then, we are afraid to talk freely to our friends on the street. Eventually, we are afraid to say anything that the government may not approve of even when talking to our spouse in the privacy of our own homes.
Those of us retarded enough to say something like, "Obama should die in a fire!" will find out that...
Hold on... someone at the door. Dang! Sounds like they are trying to beat it down. BRB
(crashing noise in background with sounds of a very brief struggle)
If Apple were to lose this case, then say goodbye to your personal data forever, because once a so-called "back-door" is created – any hacker will have access to all your personal information. Fact: No gov't agency has ever been able to protect digital data from being hacked – including the Pentagon and White House. If they get an "encryption key", so will any serious hacker out there. They always do. And by setting a precedent, expect other governments in other countries to demand the exact same thing for any reason they feel like.
To give government law enforcement agencies whatever they want with no legal protection for individual personal privacy is by definition a police state.
Then why didn't all this 'hacking' take place pre-encryption?
If Apple were to lose this case, then say goodbye to your personal data forever, because once a so-called "back-door" is created – any hacker will have access to all your personal information. Fact: No gov't agency has ever been able to protect digital data from being hacked – including the Pentagon and White House. If they get an "encryption key", so will any serious hacker out there. They always do. And by setting a precedent, expect other governments in other countries to demand the exact same thing for any reason they feel like.
To give government law enforcement agencies whatever they want with no legal protection for individual personal privacy is by definition a police state.
Apple doesn't have to create a "backdoor" to comply with legitimate security requests. From another site:
"...it would be possible to put the iPhone into DFU mode and then overwrite the firmware with a version that has neither the auto-erase mode nor delays between passcode attempts. The FBI could then trivially brute-force its way into the phone.
The FBI can’t overwrite the firmware because the device checks for a valid Apple signature. The FBI doesn’t have this. But Apple does. Apple could thus create signed firmware without the protections designed to defeat brute-force attacks, and hand the phone back to the FBI."
User data can still stay private with no secret government backdoors that might be taken advantage of by hackers. Personally I don't see this as an insurmountable problem.
Apple would create and authorise an alternate version of the OS that would allow access through a method (brute-forcing) that is currently explicitly blocked as a security measure.
While not directly handing over user data, that would definitely allow access to the contents of a phone via methods that need to be specifically created for that purpose. That is a "backdoor", by definition.
Who thinks Tim Cook doesn't have a back door to view all of your personal information?
Do you have an evidence that Tim Cook does?
Do you have evidence he doesn't?
Ask any security expert and they'll tell you that there's always a backdoor. They may break the code up to different people as to make sure it's not solely owned by one person but there's always a backdoor.
If Apple were to lose this case, then say goodbye to your personal data forever, because once a so-called "back-door" is created – any hacker will have access to all your personal information. Fact: No gov't agency has ever been able to protect digital data from being hacked – including the Pentagon and White House. If they get an "encryption key", so will any serious hacker out there. They always do. And by setting a precedent, expect other governments in other countries to demand the exact same thing for any reason they feel like.
To give government law enforcement agencies whatever they want with no legal protection for individual personal privacy is by definition a police state.
Apple doesn't have to create a "backdoor" to comply with legitimate security requests. From another site:
"...it would be possible to put the iPhone into DFU mode and then overwrite the firmware with a version that has neither the auto-erase mode nor delays between passcode attempts. The FBI could then trivially brute-force its way into the phone.
The FBI can’t overwrite the firmware because the device checks for a valid Apple signature. The FBI doesn’t have this. But Apple does. Apple could thus create signed firmware without the protections designed to defeat brute-force attacks, and hand the phone back to the FBI."
User data can still stay private with no secret government backdoors that might be taken advantage of by hackers. Personally I don't see this as an insurmountable problem.
I don't know what idiot wrote that on another site, but to say Apple can do this or that has got to come from someone with a single digit IQ. Could be from someone in this thread, as I'm seeing quite a few embarrassing and stupid posts.
I appreciate that my iOS devices are very secure, and I'd rather not see Apple being forced by the govt to create weaker and compromised versions of iOS on purpose, something that would affect hundreds of millions of customers.
The authorities and the administration should have just done their jobs better and those terrorists could have been caught before they carried out their act of workplace violence. Red flags were everywhere.
What's going to happen here? Apple will fight for a year and then President Trump will have him and the B.O.D. waterboarded until the they have an attitude adjustment.
If Apple were to lose this case, then say goodbye to your personal data forever, because once a so-called "back-door" is created – any hacker will have access to all your personal information. Fact: No gov't agency has ever been able to protect digital data from being hacked – including the Pentagon and White House. If they get an "encryption key", so will any serious hacker out there. They always do. And by setting a precedent, expect other governments in other countries to demand the exact same thing for any reason they feel like.
To give government law enforcement agencies whatever they want with no legal protection for individual personal privacy is by definition a police state.
Apple doesn't have to create a "backdoor" to comply with legitimate security requests. From another site:
"...it would be possible to put the iPhone into DFU mode and then overwrite the firmware with a version that has neither the auto-erase mode nor delays between passcode attempts. The FBI could then trivially brute-force its way into the phone.
The FBI can’t overwrite the firmware because the device checks for a valid Apple signature. The FBI doesn’t have this. But Apple does. Apple could thus create signed firmware without the protections designed to defeat brute-force attacks, and hand the phone back to the FBI."
User data can still stay private with no secret government backdoors that might be taken advantage of by hackers. Personally I don't see this as an insurmountable problem.
Apple would create and authorise an alternate version of the OS that would allow access through a method (brute-forcing) that is currently explicitly blocked as a security measure.
While not directly handing over user data, that would definitely allow access to the contents of a phone via methods that need to be specifically created for that purpose. That is a "backdoor", by definition.
It's not at all a backdoor. It's instead a different OS version that only Apple can install. The one on your iPhone remains essentially hack-proof with no "backdoor" as far as any of us know.
If Apple were to lose this case, then say goodbye to your personal data forever, because once a so-called "back-door" is created – any hacker will have access to all your personal information. Fact: No gov't agency has ever been able to protect digital data from being hacked – including the Pentagon and White House. If they get an "encryption key", so will any serious hacker out there. They always do. And by setting a precedent, expect other governments in other countries to demand the exact same thing for any reason they feel like.
To give government law enforcement agencies whatever they want with no legal protection for individual personal privacy is by definition a police state.
Apple doesn't have to create a "backdoor" to comply with legitimate security requests. From another site:
"...it would be possible to put the iPhone into DFU mode and then overwrite the firmware with a version that has neither the auto-erase mode nor delays between passcode attempts. The FBI could then trivially brute-force its way into the phone.
The FBI can’t overwrite the firmware because the device checks for a valid Apple signature. The FBI doesn’t have this. But Apple does. Apple could thus create signed firmware without the protections designed to defeat brute-force attacks, and hand the phone back to the FBI."
User data can still stay private with no secret government backdoors that might be taken advantage of by hackers. Personally I don't see this as an insurmountable problem.
I don't know what idiot wrote that on another site, but to say Apple can do this or that has got to come from someone with a single digit IQ. Could be from someone in this thread, as I'm seeing quite a few embarrassing and stupid posts.
Visit your "other site" anytime between 9to5. They have the article up there and it's certainly not written by anyone with a single-digit IQ.
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[ Keep that door firmly shut Apple. ]
>:x
Nevertheless I am not 100% sure that Apple does not have a back door to get access to the device. During development a new versions of the hardware and iOS, such a tool would be really handy during testing
From another site:
"...it would be possible to put the iPhone into DFU mode and then overwrite the firmware with a version that has neither the auto-erase mode nor delays between passcode attempts. The FBI could then trivially brute-force its way into the phone.
The FBI can’t overwrite the firmware because the device checks for a valid Apple signature. The FBI doesn’t have this. But Apple does. Apple could thus create signed firmware without the protections designed to defeat brute-force attacks, and hand the phone back to the FBI."
User data can still stay private with no secret government backdoors that might be taken advantage of by hackers. Personally I don't see this as an insurmountable problem.
However, in the USA (Hilary hopes to change the name, by executive order, to the "People's Republic of the United States of America"), the government only demands access all information that you have, to be able to access it without serving a warrant through agreeable/eager telecoms (I'm looking at you, AT&T), so that they can go fishing for legal issues at their whim.
Seriously, if we keep heading down the path we are on as a society ("hell yes, give the government access to all the private info so that they can stop a terrorist from killing the children!"), we will get to a point where ubiquitous monolithic government buildings full of computer banks continuously monitor everything everyone says or does since we will all have portable devices with always-on microphones, location tracking, activity monitoring, etc. (already in place - all iPhone 6's and higher do it, as do competitors' devices).
Imagine what happens if you mutter the wrong words at the wrong time, or maybe in the wrong place... the automated monitoring systems takes note... The AI stratifies the "threat" using a risk analysis based on all the other private info about you that has been collected (such as scripts of all your phone calls, travel patterns, social site comments, etc.). It routes the analysis and the specifics of your "threat" to the appropriate agency: FBI, NSA, Secret Service.
If you are lucky, you just get heavily scrutinized by the FBI or some other agency. But if you are unfortunate to talk about something exploding while you are in a fertilizer store ("Hot dang, Bubba. It ain't that bad! Don't blow up on me!"), you end up finding out first-hand that whether water-boarding is still used or not.
Soon, people are afraid to talk freely on phones. Then, we are afraid to talk freely to our friends on the street. Eventually, we are afraid to say anything that the government may not approve of even when talking to our spouse in the privacy of our own homes.
Those of us retarded enough to say something like, "Obama should die in a fire!" will find out that...
Hold on... someone at the door. Dang! Sounds like they are trying to beat it down. BRB
(crashing noise in background with sounds of a very brief struggle)
While not directly handing over user data, that would definitely allow access to the contents of a phone via methods that need to be specifically created for that purpose. That is a "backdoor", by definition.
What's going to happen here? Apple will fight for a year and then President Trump will have him and the B.O.D. waterboarded until the they have an attitude adjustment.
Visit your "other site" anytime between 9to5.