Donald Trump says Apple should back down in San Bernardino case

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  • Reply 61 of 131
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,054member
    You're right. He's a barely disguised fascist. There are nothing left but really, really bad choices this election.
    Trump is a very practical man, incredibly successful and just want American needs at this time.  Cook should do his duty to the families that lost their loved ones, and help to avoid further attacks of this kind, possibly by people who could be discovered by the information on the phone.  Obama has doubled our national debt, made our borders worthless, signed treaties that enrich our sworn enemies, and allowed ISIL to run without serious restraint - and then there's Obamacare, an insiders game, where the rich get richer.  Trump will use common sense and business standards to move this country forward again.
    No he's not. He's a clown to speak on things that people want to hear...people who are conservative, racist and uneducated. If you follow this clown, you'd see how ridiculous he sounded.
    edited February 2016 Animuppetry
  • Reply 62 of 131
    Dear Donald Stupid Trump (Yep, i checked; that’s his middle name), If you added a backdoor for your lowly hired hands, because, surely, you wouldn't want them using the same door as you, it surely would be private and you could it leave unsecured because its private and no one but your hired hand would know about it. That's until the "bad guys" find out about it and start using it for nefarious purposed. There goes your silver. There goes your China. There goes the wall vault which you thought was securely attached to your wall. So Donald, I rather not build a backdoor to my phone. There would be no way to guarantee that just the "good guys" would know how to use it. sooner or later, "bad guys" would figure out how to use it and have all access to my phone, I'm sure you are bright and intelligent man, either that or a complete nut job; I can't decide. I would hope you would hold one of our founding fathers in high regards, Benjamin Franklin. More than two centuries ago he had the wisdom to pen the following, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Please don't give up my Liberties for some supposed safety. I don't feel like given up both. Signed, Scared Sh*tless this guy might actually be President
    Ani
  • Reply 63 of 131
    cornchipcornchip Posts: 1,949member
    pmz said:
    To go one step further, when government people are involved, there is always the guarantee of abuse.

    Does anyone really believe that the FBI gives a shit about getting into a lone nut's iPhone? Not one fucking bit do they care. All they care about is setting the precedent. That if Apple opens it up once, they will have to open it up again and again and again.

    They are merely trying to use a scenario that is fresh on the public's mind to generate sympathy and outcry, and demand compliance.

    100% 

    Your post makes me think of the lyrics to Beck's "Elevator Music".
  • Reply 64 of 131
    civaciva Posts: 78member
    He's literally the Kanye West of the Republican Party. 
    Why this was even deemed necessary to feature here is beyond me. 
  • Reply 65 of 131
    civaciva Posts: 78member
    No, Tim Cook said the FBI wants apple to make a backdoor version of iOS, which is ridiculous. 
    Their director just needs to deal with the fact he can't tell a business what to do. 
    muppetry said:
    Having just read Tim Cook's statements on this I'm now confused. He implies that Apple could create a software tool to break into the phone but that such a tool would be "too dangerous to create" - presumably in the sense that they could not, subsequently, prevent its widespread use as a backdoor to any iPhone.

  • Reply 66 of 131
    DANGER! WARNING! I notice this would surrender our pre-encypted constitutional rights to privacy. Before completely encrypted phones, the government could require a finger to unlock a phone, but that same user was not required to surrender a pin for a locked phone. In "the new world oder", neither would protect our phone, our data. We'd completely surrender our constitutional rights privacy when to comes to our phones.
  • Reply 67 of 131
    On Politics, I am Conservative and a Constitutionalist, and usually side with most Republicans. On Donald Trump, he has not been what I considered the best candidate, as I find his jingoism and play to the media too crass and distasteful. But there was no position on which I directly opposed his run for office — until now. Oh, I am most certainly against Terrorism, but worth this latest cynical play to irrational factions, it shows the man to be just another pro-government type, one willing to sacrifice our freedom, security and our rights so that the government can "win". He would divide the citizenry along factional lines, just to promote himself and his government. He's no better than Hillary. I am all for Law and Order, assuredly, but not at the total expense of our Inalienable Rights. TL;DR: I am now opposed to Trump as a result of this latest stance.
  • Reply 68 of 131
    jonljonl Posts: 210member
    I'm surprised Trump didn't propose waterboarding Tim Cook until he accedes.


    hydrogen
  • Reply 69 of 131
    I don't see why under court ordered circumstances, bringing a phone into Apple's engineering department, cracking it open, using developer tools to reflash it with special internal use only firmware in order to gain access is a "backdoor". The simple fact that obviously people at Apple have access to iOS source code could then be considered a "backdoor" by the logic of certain individuals. Its not the same as having a backdoor built into release iOS versions, which anyone could technically access. That is what we are all against - there is a difference.
  • Reply 70 of 131
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Guess what, the Donald still is getting my vote, even though I don't agree with him on this issue. 

    Also, I like how this site calls Donald Trump right wing! Has this site ever called Obama left wing, when mentioning Obama in an article? Talk about bias.

    Donald knows how to tweet, but I doubt that he's very technologically knowledgeable. None of the current politicians are, including Obama, who had huge problems operating an iPhone on a few occassions.

    And then we have Hillary, who illegally kept classified information on some server located in a bathroom, and lied about it! Hillary is much more techno illiterate than Donald is.

    Govt agencies can't be trusted. Look at the IRS and the Jihad that they've illegally been waging against political people of the wrong political stripe!


  • Reply 71 of 131
    cornchip said:
    Amazing anyone takes this guy seriously as a candidate for POTUS.









    Not that the other options are way better.
    Yes, the unspoken truth is that Sanders and Clinton are also Statists who would grow government at the cost of our rights and freedoms. Worst presidential election options ever.
    allmypeople
  • Reply 72 of 131
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    JeffA2 said:
    muppetry said:
    Having just read Tim Cook's statements on this I'm now confused. He implies that Apple could create a software tool to break into the phone but that such a tool would be "too dangerous to create" - presumably in the sense that they could not, subsequently, prevent its widespread use as a backdoor to any iPhone.
    After reading Tim's note carefully, I think what's being proposed by the FBI is this: Apple creates a version of iOS that allows electronic entry of passcodes at an essentially unlimited speed. Then the FBI uses their computers to mount a brute-force attack. It sounds like this is quite feasible to do. The flaw in Cook's argument is that it seems like just a matter of time before a production iPhone could be hacked to bypass the entry restrictions without Apple's help. I'm not at all sure about this but it seems plausible. So even if Apple refuses, it may one day be possible to crack an iPhone anyway.

    It's only feasible to do on the 5c, not on 5s and more recent. And it would take a hell of a long time to crack even if you could load up IOS on a fast hardware for what purpose? Getting info in 5 years that may or may not have use anymore.

     But, he's arguing that they won't do it because it sets a precedent for their other phones too, the ones that currently can't be hacked even if Apple wants too (aka : putting in a back door).
  • Reply 73 of 131
    cornchip said:
    Amazing anyone takes this guy seriously as a candidate for POTUS.









    Not that the other options are way better.
    Yes, the unspoken truth is that Sanders and Clinton are also Statists who would grow government at the cost of our rights and freedoms. Worst presidential election options ever.
  • Reply 74 of 131
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
    maria f said:
    It always makes me think taht people who are obsessed with privacy, are up to no good. Those who do not want to do do anything illegal or bad don't have to be afraid.  Most people live their lives in cyberspace anyway and their data is subject to hackers all over the place, they have no problem posting it all on Facebook but are bent out of shape when law enforcement needs to get info about terrorists. Cook should give up this fight.  I'd rather be safe than worried about someone knowing what I'm up to if I intend no harm.  
    So you do ZERO financial things with your phone? No credit card information, nor bank apps linked directly to your account? No e-brokerage apps linked directly to your stock accounts? No ApplePay? No direct access to your cell phone account? No private emails or messages?

    Once the security of your phone is weakened THAT'S the vulnerability...  given over to anyone who get's possession of your phone legally or illegally.  Plus this is a weak case: the terrorists crushed their two private phones, obviously because that's where the stuff they wanted to hide was. That one of them didn't bother with this phone means all the FBI is going to get is employee related sanitary waste information. Every single call made from and to the device is already available through the service providers records. And that's what was important, who they contacted leading up to these murders, not whether he used Apple maps to find a pizza joint near his office.
  • Reply 75 of 131
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
    muppetry said:
    zoetmb said:
    Help law enforcement do what job?   They already know who committed the murders and they know why.   Even if Apple could open the phone, what do you think is going to be on there?   My bet is absolutely nothing of significance.   But let's say there is:   let's say there's some text message or phone message recorded with some ISIS member in Iraq or Afghanistan who told them "kill as many Americans as you can".    What's that going to do?  We're never going to find that person.   So this is all much ado about nothing.  We don't need a specific message to know that there are terrorists who want to kill Americans.   

    The Government gets us to give up our rights by creating fear.   Trump, Cruz et al, get us to give up our rights by creating fear.

    In the U.S., more people have been killed by ladder accidents than by terrorism.   In 2012, 10 Americans were killed by terrorists, 2 were injured and 3 more were kidnapped.   In 2013, the numbers were 16 killed, 17 injured and 12 kidnapped.   From the CDC: "In 2011, work-related ladder fall injuries (LFIs) resulted in 113 fatalities (0.09 per 100,000 full-time equivalent* [FTE] workers), an estimated 15,460 nonfatal injuries reported by employers that involved ≥1 days away from work (DAFW), and an estimated 34,000 nonfatal injuries treated in EDs."

    I forget the number of people killed by guns in the U.S. each year, but I think it's around 30,000 (not including suicides) and no one gives a crap.   Why?   Because in that case, we care more about our supposed Constitutional rights than we do about the result.    The same should be true about intrusions into our phones.   Theoretically, I don't have a problem with Apple opening this phone (if indeed they can) once ordered by the Court.   The problem is that opens a can of worms where, as others have posted, the FBI, CIA and police units will go to court in order to get the tool to use for themselves.   And if Apple can do it, hackers can do it.  And once hackers can do it, that makes all of us, far less safe.
    I'm sure that they are primarily looking for contacts in the US, as they should be. 
    That takes a simple warrant to the service provider for the phone records and EVERY number contacted is available.
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 76 of 131
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member

    fallenjt said:
    I don't care what Trump says.

    The reality is that if this has the oversight of elected officials, they should do it. In the UK they do this stuff quite well: parliamentary committees vote & oversee.

    16 innocent people were murdered. Help law enforcement do their job.

    This is Snowdon/Greenwald level conspiracy stuff. Give me a break.
    Apple already helped them on this phone, you dumbshit. FBI just want to be able to break in any iPhone. Read Tim Cook's letter.
    Yeah that software demand has FBI wet dream written all over it, not the judge's idea I'm sure.
  • Reply 77 of 131
    jfc1138jfc1138 Posts: 3,090member
    " It's quite possible there is valuable info there."

    That they crushed to complete destruction their other two private phones leads me to expect there's nothing on that work phone that isn't work related. They pulled their computer hard drive "spontaneously" and the FBI etc. have never found it.  Yet this phone was just abandoned? That signals unimportant.
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 78 of 131
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 2,311member
    rs9 said:
    The more I hear Trump the more he sounds like a Communist/Socialist.  He supports more government intervention.  He criticizes Corporate America by moving over seas (Ford, Carrier, etc).  knowing full well a corporations largest expense is salary and health benefits. This is why the Trump line of clothes is made in China. 
    The last person I want is that criminal Clinton, let alone that huge Socialist Sanders. But the things that come out of Trumps mouth is making him not be the best pick either. More Sucky choices to pick from for another presidential election.
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 79 of 131
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,799member
    jfc1138 said:
    muppetry said:
    I'm sure that they are primarily looking for contacts in the US, as they should be. 
    That takes a simple warrant to the service provider for the phone records and EVERY number contacted is available.
    True, but I don't think the carriers can record emails, chats, Skype, apps, etc especially if they were on WiFi at the time. 
    edited February 2016
  • Reply 80 of 131
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    Apple has landed square in the middle of election year politics and it won’t go well. The right wingers are already using Apple as their next Judas Goat, whipping boy. Anybody caught using an iPhone will be labeled a “terrorist supporter” and Tim Cook will be trotted out as a gay lib supporter of Islam. You can see the gay thing in many comment sections all over the web. The terrorist supporter is starting gain traction. Apple may be doing the right thing but they are going to pay for it by being vilified and excoriated by the Cliven Bundy militia crowd. Apple is a very convenient target for them right now.
    jony0
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