Donald Trump says Apple should back down in San Bernardino case

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  • Reply 81 of 131
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,382member
    He claims to be right wing, but the man's being praised by Code Pink for his 9/11 trutherism and he wants socialized medicine. Keep that in mind before engaging in conservative bashing, commenters. 

    He's only right wing in the ways that GOP supporters truly care about, which is demonizing the "others" (Mexicans, Muslims, etc), being a warmonger, and just a general all around anti-intellectual asshole. What does his popularity tell you about "conservative" voters? It tells you exactly what attracts people to the GOP- and it isn't "conservatism", but hatred and demagoguery, and the desire to blame others for their own problems and failures. Trump has exposed exactly what the GOP "base" is made of, something most of us knew all along. 
  • Reply 82 of 131
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    slurpy said:
    He claims to be right wing, but the man's being praised by Code Pink for his 9/11 trutherism and he wants socialized medicine. Keep that in mind before engaging in conservative bashing, commenters. 

    He's only right wing in the ways that GOP supporters truly care about, which is demonizing the "others" (Mexicans, Muslims, etc), being a warmonger, and just a general all around anti-intellectual asshole. What does his popularity tell you about "conservative" voters? It tells you exactly what attracts people to the GOP- and it isn't "conservatism", but hatred and demagoguery, and the desire to blame others for their own problems and failures. Trump has exposed exactly what the GOP "base" is made of, something most of us knew all along. 
    You're going to be in for a big surprise, because Trump's support goes far further than just "conservatives". As a matter of fact, some so-called conservatives hate him and they are doing everything that they can to try and bring him down. The repub establishment is terrified of him.

    He still has my vote for sure! :#
  • Reply 83 of 131
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

    lkrupp said:
    Apple has landed square in the middle of election year politics and it won’t go well. The right wingers are already using Apple as their next Judas Goat, whipping boy. Anybody caught using an iPhone will be labeled a “terrorist supporter” and Tim Cook will be trotted out as a gay lib supporter of Islam. You can see the gay thing in many comment sections all over the web. The terrorist supporter is starting gain traction. Apple may be doing the right thing but they are going to pay for it by being vilified and excoriated by the Cliven Bundy militia crowd. Apple is a very convenient target for them right now.
    I've long been a huge "terrorist supporter".  :#

    Do you remember those ridiculous commercials some years back, implying that smoking weed is supporting terrorism? In that case, I am a huge terrorist supporter, even though their whole argument was complete garbage. 
  • Reply 84 of 131
    Most people probably agree with Apple in theory but this is no longer a theoretical debate. CNCB has a poll up on their site and public opinion is split 50-50 Is Cook ready for this PR fight?
    Unfortunately many people have no clue what the issue is. It's not about unlocking one iPhone. It's forcing Apple to modify their OS to circumvent current security measures that would make it easier to break the encryption. As I read elsewhere, rephrased: "it's not giving the FBI the key to your house, it's modifying locks to be opened with a special tool that would open all doors. And burglars will have these tools too." Once you've done it for one phone, it will inevitably be available for other uses: stealing your ApplePay credit cards, denying your health coverage because you did not move enough, tracking your whereabouts throughout the day could lead to charges because "you were in the area".
  • Reply 85 of 131
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,015member
    LOL, this thread.  So predictable.  "Trump's an idiot fascist Hitler sexist bigot with worse hair!" 
    Adolescents.  
    allmypeoplecnocbui
  • Reply 86 of 131

    Apple says Donald Trump should shut the f**k up!

  • Reply 87 of 131
    lkrupp said:
    Apple has landed square in the middle of election year politics and it won’t go well. The right wingers are already using Apple as their next Judas Goat, whipping boy. Anybody caught using an iPhone will be labeled a “terrorist supporter” and Tim Cook will be trotted out as a gay lib supporter of Islam. You can see the gay thing in many comment sections all over the web. The terrorist supporter is starting gain traction. Apple may be doing the right thing but they are going to pay for it by being vilified and excoriated by the Cliven Bundy militia crowd. Apple is a very convenient target for them right now.
    There may be some idiots, but there is a lot of consensus amongst Red and Blue on this issue. It may finally help unite us at least a little more than we are now.
  • Reply 88 of 131
    Further proof this guy is a idiot. 



  • Reply 89 of 131
    cornchip said:
    Amazing anyone takes this guy seriously as a candidate for POTUS.

    I think Trump's knee-jerk response underlines a concern about his willingness to abide by an oath (were he to become president) to uphold the US Constitution.

    The All Writs Act of 1789, the original source of the law the FBI is invoking to brow beat Apple, predates the Bill of Rights, which was adopted in 1791. I would argue that such an over reaching application of this law and it's later iterations represents the type of over reach by the government, that the Bill of Rights was adopted to prevent... And is therefore unconstitutional!









    Not that the other options are way better.

  • Reply 90 of 131
    quinneyquinney Posts: 2,528member
    It is surprising that Trump supporters want to give the Obama Administration this capability, even if only for eleven months.  Maybe he will revise his opinion so that Apple must unlock iOS, but not until he is president.
  • Reply 91 of 131
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    quinney said:
    It is surprising that Trump supporters want to give the Obama Administration this capability, even if only for eleven months.  
    I'm a Trump supporter (obviously), but I don't want to give any capability to the Obama Admin, not even for five minutes.
  • Reply 92 of 131
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,311member
    fallenjt said:
    Apple already helped them on this phone, you dumbshit. FBI just want to be able to break in any iPhone. Read Tim Cook's letter.
    Whoops!

    http://www.reuters.com/article/apple-encryption-whitehouse-idUSW1N14V03K  

    REUTERS: U.S. DOJ is asking Apple for access to one device: White House


    That's why it's always best to avoid calling someone a dumbshit so fast. You can end up looking like, a dumbshit.

    It's always the first that sets the precedent; they won't stop at one, they won't have to stop at one, and you know that.
  • Reply 93 of 131
    jbdragon said:
    rs9 said:
    The more I hear Trump the more he sounds like a Communist/Socialist.  He supports more government intervention.  He criticizes Corporate America by moving over seas (Ford, Carrier, etc).  knowing full well a corporations largest expense is salary and health benefits. This is why the Trump line of clothes is made in China. 
    The last person I want is that criminal Clinton, let alone that huge Socialist Sanders. But the things that come out of Trumps mouth is making him not be the best pick either. More Sucky choices to pick from for another presidential election.
    Every candidate is a potential dictator.
  • Reply 94 of 131
    apple ][ said:
    quinney said:
    It is surprising that Trump supporters want to give the Obama Administration this capability, even if only for eleven months.  
    I'm a Trump supporter (obviously), but I don't want to give any capability to the Obama Admin, not even for five minutes.
    And I don't want either to be given total fascistic power. "Democrat" and "Republican" are just words. The actual differences between parties has been approaching zero. The biggest difference is in the rhetoric. Look at the difference between what Obama has said in his speeches versus what he's actually done. A person would have to be willfully blind to not see what is plain as day.
  • Reply 95 of 131
    foggyhill said:
    JeffA2 said:
    After reading Tim's note carefully, I think what's being proposed by the FBI is this: Apple creates a version of iOS that allows electronic entry of passcodes at an essentially unlimited speed. Then the FBI uses their computers to mount a brute-force attack. It sounds like this is quite feasible to do. The flaw in Cook's argument is that it seems like just a matter of time before a production iPhone could be hacked to bypass the entry restrictions without Apple's help. I'm not at all sure about this but it seems plausible. So even if Apple refuses, it may one day be possible to crack an iPhone anyway.

    It's only feasible to do on the 5c, not on 5s and more recent. And it would take a hell of a long time to crack even if you could load up IOS on a fast hardware for what purpose? Getting info in 5 years that may or may not have use anymore.

     But, he's arguing that they won't do it because it sets a precedent for their other phones too, the ones that currently can't be hacked even if Apple wants too (aka : putting in a back door).
    I don't think the method is restricted to the 5c. Even though 5s data is securely encrypted a valid passcode will *decrypt* it. And I don't think this will take years or even months to do. There are only 10^8 codes to try. If you bypass repetition checks and can brute force 1000 codes/s that's 10^5 seconds -- a little over a day. Even if you have to go an order of magnitude slower it's still just 2 weeks.
  • Reply 96 of 131
    Tim Cook for President!
  • Reply 97 of 131
    JeffA2 said:
    foggyhill said:
    It's only feasible to do on the 5c, not on 5s and more recent. And it would take a hell of a long time to crack even if you could load up IOS on a fast hardware for what purpose? Getting info in 5 years that may or may not have use anymore.

     But, he's arguing that they won't do it because it sets a precedent for their other phones too, the ones that currently can't be hacked even if Apple wants too (aka : putting in a back door).
    I don't think the method is restricted to the 5c. Even though 5s data is securely encrypted a valid passcode will *decrypt* it. And I don't think this will take years or even months to do. There are only 10^8 codes to try. If you bypass repetition checks and can brute force 1000 codes/s that's 10^5 seconds -- a little over a day. Even if you have to go an order of magnitude slower it's still just 2 weeks.
    If it's so easy, why doesn't the FBI carry on and do it? Because they're trying to make Apple the "fall guy". Cook should tell them in no uncertain terms to GTFO.
  • Reply 98 of 131
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,311member
    tmay said:
    It's always the first that sets the precedent; they won't stop at one, they won't have to stop at one, and you know that.
     I'm not a Snowden/Greenwald conspiracy theorist when it comes to data.

    If your loved ones were gunned down & the information on that phone was helpful to the FBI, you'd want them to access it.

    You could make that statement for each of the ten's of thousands of homicides every year. Why even stop there?

    This instance is about setting precedent and it's obvious. 
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 99 of 131
    Apple Bud said:
    I thought that Republicans were against government intrusion? 
    To hear them tell it they are. But that really only applies to govt intruding into their affairs. Anything else is fair game.
  • Reply 100 of 131
    apple ][ said:
    I'm a Trump supporter (obviously), but I don't want to give any capability to the Obama Admin, not even for five minutes.
    And I don't want either to be given total fascistic power. "Democrat" and "Republican" are just words. The actual differences between parties has been approaching zero. The biggest difference is in the rhetoric. Look at the difference between what Obama has said in his speeches versus what he's actually done. A person would have to be willfully blind to not see what is plain as day.
    This a weakly thought out argument. The differences between the parties are rather profound. For example: size of government, gun rights, abortion rights, gay marriage, health care, immigration, climate change, evolution and the role of science in public policy, interventionist foreign policy etc. The reason that actual changes in policy are small and incremental is because we live in an era of divided government. And that's a reflection of a very real divide in public opinion. The federal government was deliberately designed by the founders to work very slowly when broad consensus isn't available. That's how the US Constitution works. So it won't matter if a socialist like Sanders gets elected -- he will have virtually no ability to implement radical change. Ditto for a far-right candidate like Cruz. But that's not because Sanders and Cruz agree on anything. It's because the rest of the country is genuinley divided about the future.

    Trump doesn't appear to be committed to the US Constitution or the rule of law so I have no idea what would happen if he actually got into office. I hope we never find out.
    muppetry
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