Protestors gather at San Francisco Apple Store to support fight against government backdoors

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  • Reply 21 of 64
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 3,976member
    jkinsdca said:
    I do not support Apple and these [email protected]@ protestors. What if there was info on that phone that could prevent another attack.. one say at an apple store in san fran... do you think their tune would change? so stupid these idiots that have no concept of real life.. only the one that was spoon fed them by their parents who set no boundaries...
    Another attack to be prevented? You sounded like a clueless idiot. NSA couldn't prevent the first shooting meaning they failed to do their job just like 9/11 and Boston bombing. These had nothing to do with encryption, and they couldn't prevent these. Mr. 3 posts!
    edited February 2016 tomkarlanton zuykovcincymacSpamSandwichnolamacguyIanMC2lostkiwitallest skil
  • Reply 22 of 64
    I do not support Apple. What if it were your family?  I think once you commit murder, or an act of terror, you shouldn't have the right to privacy. Once again, in America, we put the rights of the criminal first. Of course they don't want you checking out the phone! The iPhones are the new weapons of the century. How many bombs have been detonated by phones? They must be treated like any other piece of evidence by forensics when they are involved in murder.  Why is that so hard to see??

  • Reply 23 of 64
    jkinsdca said:
    I do not support Apple and these [email protected]@ protestors. What if there was info on that phone that could prevent another attack.. one say at an apple store in san fran... do you think their tune would change? so stupid these idiots that have no concept of real life.. only the one that was spoon fed them by their parents who set no boundaries...
    What ifs... WHAT IF doesn't mean there THERE IS a phone.
    What if that person used no phone instead? Then your point is moot.

    edited February 2016
  • Reply 24 of 64
    jonagold said:
    Looks more like...

    Ah, forget it. I know what it is, not just what it looks like, but if it helps retain our 4th amendment rights, screw it. Maybe the useful idiots will be on our side for once.
    Who needs the 4th when we have the 2nd!
    Who needs the Constitution when you have the FISA :smiley: 
  • Reply 25 of 64
    jakebjakeb Posts: 557member
    jkinsdca said:
    I do not support Apple and these [email protected]@ protestors. What if there was info on that phone that could prevent another attack.. one say at an apple store in san fran... do you think their tune would change? so stupid these idiots that have no concept of real life.. only the one that was spoon fed them by their parents who set no boundaries...
    Their tune probably would change. But that's why you cant let emotions cause reactionary laws. If someone hurt your family member, you'd probably want to do all kinds of things to them, but you can't because it's not good for society to have people going all vigilante all the time. Same thing here. As much as everyone wants to get this shooter, we need to consider all the effects of this on all of society.
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  • Reply 26 of 64
    jkinsdca said:
    I do not support Apple and these [email protected]@ protestors. What if there was info on that phone that could prevent another attack.. one say at an apple store in san fran... do you think their tune would change? so stupid these idiots that have no concept of real life.. only the one that was spoon fed them by their parents who set no boundaries...
    What if there is info on your phone that could prevent another attack? Or child pornogrsphy? What if...? What if...? What if...? The slippery slope of What if? opens Pandora's Box
  • Reply 27 of 64
    This wasn't only the right thing to do, but brilliant PR move, Apple, brilliant PR move...

    (Not that they had much choice. Had they immediately caved imagine the headlines the next day.)
    edited February 2016
  • Reply 28 of 64
    sandorsandor Posts: 524member
    sflocal said:
    Of course... Google and Scamscum are remaining absolutely quiet about it.  Why do anything?  Just let Apple (as usual) do all the blazes while they just ride on Apple's work.

    It's kind of embarrassing I think that Google isn't even mentioned since everyone knows they are about as secure as an unlocked door at a bank with the key still in the doorknob.  Everyone know it... but "shhhhhh.." just let Apple do it and we'll just take credit later.
    Google's CEO actually had a good series of tweets in support of Apple's stance against the government intrusion.


  • Reply 29 of 64
    sandorsandor Posts: 524member

    apple ][ said:
    ...but I do not in any way, shape or form support the protesters, as I do not know them, and they're probably the same sorts of people that will protest other causes which frankly speaking, disgusts me. At least they don't seem to be violently inclined, they're not getting all up in people's faces, they're not blocking any traffic and their hygiene seems to be acceptable, so I'll give them props for that at least.




    so you are against the citizens in a free society trying to make their voice heard?

    i believe in freedom of speech.  
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  • Reply 30 of 64
    jakeb said:
    jkinsdca said:
    I do not support Apple and these [email protected]@ protestors. What if there was info on that phone that could prevent another attack.. one say at an apple store in san fran... do you think their tune would change? so stupid these idiots that have no concept of real life.. only the one that was spoon fed them by their parents who set no boundaries...
    Their tune probably would change. But that's why you cant let emotions cause reactionary laws. If someone hurt your family member, you'd probably want to do all kinds of things to them, but you can't because it's not good for society to have people going all vigilante all the time. Same thing here. As much as everyone wants to get this shooter, we need to consider all the effects of this on all of society.
    It's not society I'm concerned about. There is no society, there are only individuals. Lots of individuals. And the Bill of Rights protects our individual rights against the will of the mob and the eternal push toward tyranny by the state.
    edited February 2016
  • Reply 31 of 64
    This wasn't only the right thing to do, but brilliant PR move, Apple, brilliant PR move...

    (Not that that had much choice. Had they immediately caved imagine the headlines the next day.)
    Actually, it might be very informative for Apple customers to receive information firsthand at the Apple Store level explaining to people Apple's stance. Might also be helpful to collect signatures at the Apple Stores to forward to our all-seeing, all-knowing political overlords to express our concerns.
    edited February 2016 lostkiwi
  • Reply 32 of 64
    sandorsandor Posts: 524member

    jonagold said:
    jkinsdca said:
    I do not support Apple and these [email protected]@ protestors. What if there was info on that phone that could prevent another attack.. one say at an apple store in san fran... do you think their tune would change? so stupid these idiots that have no concept of real life.. only the one that was spoon fed them by their parents who set no boundaries…
    Unfortunately freedom isn't free…if it costs the lives of a few (or mine) it is well worth it.  Your comment is exact proof why terror is effective.  Bring down a country of 300M+ because 20 people died of gunshot wounds.  Why not go after tobacco, alcohol, driving, McDonald's french fries…I'll take the (non-existent) risk of terror any day if it means my iPhone is kept secure.
    or go after the the perpetrators of the other 30,000 guns deaths every year in the US. 


    I wouldn't let the FBI randomly search my house whenever they want to, so why would them search my computer or phone??

    the security erase mechanism is comparable to Wall Street burning & shredding documents to avoid prosecution.
    They get tens of billions of dollars in support for their misdeeds.

    How can we possibly support the slippery slope to a dictatorial government with access to every personal detail of its ruled class???
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  • Reply 33 of 64
    sandor said:
    sflocal said:
    Of course... Google and Scamscum are remaining absolutely quiet about it.  Why do anything?  Just let Apple (as usual) do all the blazes while they just ride on Apple's work.

    It's kind of embarrassing I think that Google isn't even mentioned since everyone knows they are about as secure as an unlocked door at a bank with the key still in the doorknob.  Everyone know it... but "shhhhhh.." just let Apple do it and we'll just take credit later.
    Google's CEO actually had a good series of tweets in support of Apple's stance against the government intrusion.
    his tweets are pretty weak and use terms like "could be bad" rather than "fuck yes this is bad". tepid, mealy-mouthed, executive drivel. not bold, not a leader. 

    http://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/02/17/pichai-apple-fbi
    edited February 2016 lostkiwi
  • Reply 34 of 64
    jonagold said:
    Looks more like...

    Ah, forget it. I know what it is, not just what it looks like, but if it helps retain our 4th amendment rights, screw it. Maybe the useful idiots will be on our side for once.
    Who needs the 4th when we have the 2nd!
    If you don't have the 4th, it's only a matter of time before your 2nd is also compromised. (Not to mention your 1st and 5th).
    edited February 2016 tallest skil
  • Reply 35 of 64
    sandor said:
    sflocal said:
    Of course... Google and Scamscum are remaining absolutely quiet about it.  Why do anything?  Just let Apple (as usual) do all the blazes while they just ride on Apple's work.

    It's kind of embarrassing I think that Google isn't even mentioned since everyone knows they are about as secure as an unlocked door at a bank with the key still in the doorknob.  Everyone know it... but "shhhhhh.." just let Apple do it and we'll just take credit later.
    Google's CEO actually had a good series of tweets in support of Apple's stance against the government intrusion.


    It's actually not that good.
    http://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/02/17/pichai-apple-fbi

    Whats App CEO's on another hand...
    edited February 2016 lostkiwi
  • Reply 36 of 64
    History repeats -> James B. Comey = Joseph Raymond McCarthy
  • Reply 37 of 64
    sandor said:
    sflocal said:
    Of course... Google and Scamscum are remaining absolutely quiet about it.  Why do anything?  Just let Apple (as usual) do all the blazes while they just ride on Apple's work.

    It's kind of embarrassing I think that Google isn't even mentioned since everyone knows they are about as secure as an unlocked door at a bank with the key still in the doorknob.  Everyone know it... but "shhhhhh.." just let Apple do it and we'll just take credit later.
    Google's CEO actually had a good series of tweets in support of Apple's stance against the government intrusion.


    That was a pretty half baked response from Sundar Pichai. 
    lostkiwi
  • Reply 38 of 64

    apple ][ said:
    jkinsdca said:
    do you think their tune would change? 
    My tune wouldn't change one bit.

    To put it bluntly, Apple is far more secure than the US govt, and I entrust my information more with Apple than I would with the US govt, as they've already proven numerous times that they cannot be trusted to protect information.

    I agree, but even if the government was perfect at guarding the "backdoor", a designed-in weakness in iOS could be exploited by thieves or terrorists.  I am less concerned with someone having access to my messages and emails, but do have concern with access to my financial accounts, keychain access, and home access (home automation).  Granted, I would most likely be able to Isolate a stolen/lost iPhone so it would no longer be treated as a trusted device, but that's not a given.
    The reality is that third party encryption tools exists and those who want to harm will add their own layer of communication security.  Weakening iOS security will leave the rest of us vulnerable at no net benefit to gain info on those who wish to harm.
    lostkiwi
  • Reply 39 of 64
    stevehsteveh Posts: 480member
    sandor said:

    apple ][ said:
    ...but I do not in any way, shape or form support the protesters, as I do not know them, and they're probably the same sorts of people that will protest other causes which frankly speaking, disgusts me. At least they don't seem to be violently inclined, they're not getting all up in people's faces, they're not blocking any traffic and their hygiene seems to be acceptable, so I'll give them props for that at least.




    so you are against the citizens in a free society trying to make their voice heard?

    i believe in freedom of speech.  
    And he was exercising it. He clearly supports this particular issue, but doesn't want anyone confused about possibly supporting any given issue that the protesters in question might also support. Some people seem confused by that stance.
  • Reply 40 of 64
    komokomo Posts: 25member
    How can you trust your Government?
    Tim Cook is right.
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