How to tag team against MS/Intel/Dell
Okay, here's a fun or maybe realistic question on what it would take to challenge the current tagteam champions (I've thrown in Dell as it delivers the majority of hardware for the PC side).
Tell me what combination of three companies would provide a good challenge.
For example, would an Apple/IBM/Sony alliance be a good fight? Apple providing software, IBM the chips and Sony the hardware?
Tell me what combination of three companies would provide a good challenge.
For example, would an Apple/IBM/Sony alliance be a good fight? Apple providing software, IBM the chips and Sony the hardware?
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<strong>Okay, here's a fun or maybe realistic question on what it would take to challenge the current tagteam champions (I've thrown in Dell as it delivers the majority of hardware for the PC side).
Tell me what combination of three companies would provide a good challenge.
For example, would an Apple/IBM/Sony alliance be a good fight? Apple providing software, IBM the chips and Sony the hardware?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes except Dell uses intel chips which run MS
Sony doesn't use IBM chips and currently IBM don't run OS X.
Plus, would you really want HW selected by sony, apple is good with HW, they pick high quality HW, and i'll pay the extra money so my monitor doesnt stop working after 3yrs
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Sony doesn't use IBM chips and currently IBM don't run OS X.
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Really? I didn't know that
What I'm saying is a formed alliance between the three companies. Therefore Sony would incorporate a Power4 IBM chip running Mac OSX on their Vaio laptop.
This is all hypothetical of course and not likely to happen. But if it did, would it be enough to challenge?
I would also add that Apple would surely add their expertise in hardware to ensure quality. Sony however seem to excel in miniturizing anything and everything.
point - mac users should like intel.
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Really? I didn't know that
What I'm saying is a formed alliance between the three companies. Therefore Sony would incorporate a Power4 IBM chip running Mac OSX on their Vaio laptop.
This is all hypothetical of course and not likely to happen. But if it did, would it be enough to challenge?
I would also add that Apple would surely add their expertise in hardware to ensure quality. Sony however seem to excel in miniturizing anything and everything.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Miniturizing what? Nothing to my knowledge needs to be miniturized. IBM would be great for making chips, apple would be great for making software, sony (although i respect them), are a PC company and i do not see what they are good for besides DV cams, and walkmans (perhaps minidisc, never used one from them)
Apple + IBM = good
Apple + IBM + Sony = bad news
If you want home audio, i'd probably go with aiwa.
If you want home video, i'd probably go with toshiba.
If you want home computers, i'd definatly go with Apple.
*dell always gets credit for beign so efficient...how efficient is apple, and could they be more?
<strong>just to point a few things out... intel is not the enemy. Intel is the competition. They are mac users best friends. Why? if there was no pressure from external entities, there is less motivation to innovate. less motivation to price hardware competitively. Simply having intel exist benifits mac users, and the fact that Intel has huge performance leads over mac hardware (sidestepping all debates...), makes the enviornment even more competitive. Mac users "hate" intel because they have desireable products, and we know it. But there existance is good. If their performance lead gets too big to justify macs on PPC, we'll see macs on Intel. simple as that.
point - mac users should like intel.</strong><hr></blockquote>
i agree...its a love/hate relationship (the love is hidden though)
i dont think i'd want my mac running intel architecture though...i'd go with AMD in my mac
It's not about the enemy or eliminating Intel. It's about alliances that would provide that very competition you speak about. As it stands now, there is very little. The status quo is Motorola and well...I don't want to go there.
As far as Macs on Intel...that talk has been around for years but has never materialized.
Loosen up and have a bit of imagination and fun. Yes, Sony is a PC company today. But with an alliance it would run OSX. What part do you not get? It's about putting the best qualities of each company to make a great one.
Man, the lack of imagination is stunning.
Maybe it's Toshiba, or Sun, or Samsung.
Give me alternatives. Other combinations...or can Apple do everything by itself?
<strong>I didn't realize it was so difficult to think outside the box for some.
Man, the lack of imagination is stunning.
Maybe it's Toshiba, or Sun, or Samsung.
Give me alternatives. Other combinations...or can Apple do everything by itself?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I understand what you are trying to do, and it would be nice to have a separate company to make HW, but as is, apple puts a beautiful design on quality HW. Sony, and basically any other company not only doesn't do that, but I'm thinking maybe can't. Apple puts 110% into its design (both SW and HW), and that is what makes a mac a mac.
What would sony's job be? Apple would have to design the HW, probably pick out, or cosely supervise HW that is chosen, and in then end still pay sony for it.
As far as computer HW goes, apple probably needs to do it them selves, and SW is apple them selves too. When I say sony, I mean any company, not just sony, if Apple wanted to work with sony for a camera (DV, not still) then I would say power to them. If they wanted to do a still camera, i'd say work with kodak or cannon.
I dont think me not agreeing with you isn't using my imagination, its saying, although i see what you are trying to say, I dont belive it would work as well, unless sony could produce an apple design with apple specified HW for cheaper...which is entirly possible.
<strong>just to point a few things out... intel is not the enemy. Intel is the competition. They are mac users best friends. Why? if there was no pressure from external entities, there is less motivation to innovate. less motivation to price hardware competitively. Simply having intel exist benifits mac users, and the fact that Intel has huge performance leads over mac hardware (sidestepping all debates...), makes the enviornment even more competitive. Mac users "hate" intel because they have desireable products, and we know it. But there existance is good. If their performance lead gets too big to justify macs on PPC, we'll see macs on Intel. simple as that.
point - mac users should like intel.</strong><hr></blockquote>
i believe the words you're looking for are: Monopolistic Competition
The powerbook is miles and miles better than those plastic fantastic messes.
Oh and sony make shite MD players for the record, total useability nightmares compared to a sharp for example, plus they have that piss gold colour ewww
[ 10-08-2002: Message edited by: sushiism ]</p>
APPLE IBM and COREL
Explanation to follow when i get home....
If the Corel partnership is just for Word Perfect then that's okay. It would piss off M$, but what can M$ do, stop developing IE? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Apple-Sony? Never, no way, no how. Good way to ruin two companies and it'll never happen unless one of them is close to death and desperate.
Apple-IBM? Not bad, but IBM wouldn't go for it. IBM does have some great labs, however, they have failed often (and sometimes spectacularly) at maintaining proprietary platforms/standards -- IBM-DOS, MCA, OS/2, their very own PPC workstations. I remember when IBM was the bad guy and M$ was your friend! Apple could teach them a thing or two about going it alone. IBM does have business customers and it could move a lot of them onto another platform through trust/loyalty alone. A disciplined merger of Apple and IBM could produce a dominant market-share across a new windows rival (OSX based) PPC platform, but their respective duties and products would have to be very carefully assigned. 10-15, even 20% wouldn't be out of the question for such an entity. Bring in Corel (with a viable Office suite) and you're going places.
It would be like AIM without the M.
[ 10-08-2002: Message edited by: Kecksy ]</p>
Why Corel and not Open/Star Office? Simple. Corel has one thing that Open office doesn't, A Name. Go up to anyone on the street and ask them if they've heard of Open Office. Most of them are going to look at you and ask back, "you mean Microsoft Office?" Now go up to them and ask them if they've heard of Corel Word Perfect. Some or most of them will say something like "oh yeah, from a few years ago...i vagually remember that."
Corel, like netscape, once had a respectable size market share. But has since steadily been erroding away.
Well why on earth would they buy/team up with corel? Simple. As of this summer, MS isn't under any legal contract to develope MS Office for Mac anymore. Anything we get now is kind of a gesture of good will. Apple NEEDS a back up plan. Correction, Apple NEEDS a GOOD back up plan. While, Open Office may be great, it doesn't have the name or market recognition that Corel does. And Apple certainly can't call Appleworks their Office app. (ick)
Here's what i propose.
Apple buys/teams up with corel. Completely reworks and rewrites Word Perfect for OS X only. Fully 100% MS office compatible. (just like going from PC Office to Mac Office.) SEEMLESS!
Along with Word Perfect, Quattro (spreadsheet) also gets a major overhaul.
A simple upgrade to the presentation software in Appleworks could round out the perfect MS office alternative.
Word Processing =Word Perfect
Spreadsheet =Quattro
Presentation slides=Presenter! (new)
comments?
AppleWorks seems most likely. It would actually support this if Apple created a decent spreadsheet and added a presentation program based on HyperCard. HyperSlide, now that would be cool!
[ 10-08-2002: Message edited by: Kecksy ]</p>
Gumby, the Corel thing is also plausible but they always seem to screw things up. They had a chance when they bought WordPerfect years ago but let it slide. CorelDraw has always been more gimmicky than a professional drawing program.
But I wouldn't mind bundling a Corel Office Suite with every new Mac.