Proposed Senate bill grants courts authority to force access to encrypted data

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  • Reply 21 of 40
    *I have an idea as a compromise for security and unlocking a locked phone. I call it a triangulation key. Where a phone can be unlocked with a court warrant. It works where 3 encrypted codes are synced up to unlock a phone, government code, Apple code and finally the actual targeted iPhone. The iPhone must approve the two keys in order to unlock. The phone can't unlock unless approved. 
    * A warrant triangulation code approved by the governments and Apple that is a one time approval for opening device. Must be approved by the government and Apple and synchronized for unlocking. Retrieval of data dump uploaded by Apple for a set time limit then phone relocks and new warrant key approved. Use Quantum Key which applies fuzzy entanglement at a distance. Finally unauthorized hacking would trigger a warning to Apple at highest level of management. 
  • Reply 22 of 40
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,241member
    izenstein said:
    *I have an idea as a compromise for security and unlocking a locked phone. I call it a triangulation key. Where a phone can be unlocked with a court warrant. It works where 3 encrypted codes are synced up to unlock a phone, government code, Apple code and finally the actual targeted iPhone. The iPhone must approve the two keys in order to unlock. The phone can't unlock unless approved. 
    * A warrant triangulation code approved by the governments and Apple that is a one time approval for opening device. Must be approved by the government and Apple and synchronized for unlocking. Retrieval of data dump uploaded by Apple for a set time limit then phone relocks and new warrant key approved. Use Quantum Key which applies fuzzy entanglement at a distance. Finally unauthorized hacking would trigger a warning to Apple at highest level of management. 
    This isn't just about Apple's encryption, it's about every encrypted device. The government has no business having part of any encryption key, even if it wouldn't work without the encryption vendor's key along with the user's key. What you propose is a backdoor where the user isn't in control of their own data. Extend your idea to businesses and non-US phones. Who's going to maintain these keys? Where will they be stored? Who's protecting them? What if I go ahead an use my own encryption. Who's going to manage those keys?

    The bottom line is the government doesn't have any right to anyone's data, even with a warrant. We're protected by the constitution, at least until the idiots in Washington try and change it. Encryption is there to protect a user's data, which includes confidential business data, health and finance data, and a whole lot of other things that the government doesn't have a legal reason to easily access. 
    nolamacguyai46
  • Reply 23 of 40
    eideardeideard Posts: 428member
    According to a report on Tuesday, the Senate is considering a bill revoking gravity under certain conditions involving national security.  It will allow all Republicans to float into the air when they fart.
    latifbpai46
  • Reply 24 of 40
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    eideard said:
    According to a report on Tuesday, the Senate is considering a bill revoking gravity under certain conditions involving national security.  It will allow all Republicans to float into the air when they fart.
    In case this little detail escaped your attention, Diane Feinstein was part of this and she's well-known for her hostility toward constitutionally protected rights.
  • Reply 25 of 40
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    lkrupp said:
    This is going to happen. “We the People” lost control of our government decades ago the day we decided it was the government’s job to “take care” of us. The nanny government will prevail because we are sniveling cowards willing to turn over our lives to it.
    Speak for yourself.

    If you ever decide to read some history, there's a different narrative available in David Talbot's two books on the postwar ascendency of the intelligence, disinformation and dark ops agencies, under which we still live, obviously.
    palomine
  • Reply 26 of 40
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    When China asks the same, those same people will shit their pants.
  • Reply 27 of 40
    spacekidspacekid Posts: 183member
    The easy way is to access the data is on the phone when it is decrypted.
  • Reply 28 of 40
    buzdotsbuzdots Posts: 452member
    kent909 said:
    I think the Democratic Party needs to tell Feinstien that if she wants to have another term in the Senate that she will have to do it as a Republican. She has lost never had it. 
    There, fixed that one...
  • Reply 29 of 40
    horvatichorvatic Posts: 144member
    Write both of them and let them know you don't like what they are doing. I did already. They don't understand what kind of issues this will cause in the future. Data theft, identity theft, fraud, corporate theft because many people have corporate data they use for work on there phones and devices. Also international crimes, security of our country will be at risk. To many to mention if they try and force this. It won't work and will hurt everyone worse then help solve any issues getting data from a terrorist who will use another type of encryption anyways.
  • Reply 30 of 40
    horvatichorvatic Posts: 144member
    Two links to email both burr and Feinstein. Tell them this is wrong!

    https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/e-mail-me
    https://www.burr.senate.gov/contact/email
  • Reply 31 of 40
    horvatichorvatic Posts: 144member
    Add your vote to the petition. Save security save lives.
    https://savesecurity.org
  • Reply 32 of 40
    stevehsteveh Posts: 480member
    wizard69 said:
    The sad thing here is the "bipartisan" nature of the bill.   Like it or not I can't see Apple wining when both parties are hell bent on destroying the constitution.   
    There's more than enough overlap between members of both parties that you can almost always get "bipartisan" sponsorship for a bill.

    It might not tell you much at all before actual voting on the measure.
  • Reply 33 of 40
    mac_dogmac_dog Posts: 1,069member
    ireland said:
    Dianne Feinstein clearly isn't at peace with anything in her life. 
    dianne feinstein has lost her mind and has been a republican for years. but she still seems to keep getting voted in. must be her billionaire / millionaire friends.
  • Reply 34 of 40
    mac_dogmac_dog Posts: 1,069member

    kent909 said:
    I think the Democratic Party needs to tell Feinstien that if she wants to have another term in the Senate that she will have to do it as a Republican. She has lost it. 
    dianne feinstein has lost her mind and has been a republican for years and we can't seem to get rid of her. even worse, there are a couple of real winners vying for her senate seat. gavin newsom (stooge for the gettys) or scott weiner (self-serving local san francisco district supervisor who has gotten in bed with developers to make the city affordable only to people with salaries of $150k and above).
  • Reply 35 of 40
    tommikeletommikele Posts: 599member
    Communist crap from the defenders of freedom! Unlikely to withstand a constitutional test and these clowns know that.
  • Reply 36 of 40
    tommikeletommikele Posts: 599member
    postman said:
    Apple needs to spend more on lobbyists. Congress is for sale, and Apple can afford to buy it five times over.
    Your heart is in the right place, but your comment would seem to indicate you don't really understand the issue or the ultimate goal of the Feds.
  • Reply 37 of 40
    tommikeletommikele Posts: 599member
    brakken said:
    postman said:
    Apple needs to spend more on lobbyists. Congress is for sale, and Apple can afford to buy it five times over.
    Disagree. Apple is doing the right thing and in the right way. The feds dropping this case proves they knew they couldn't win. The weakening of the bill is further proof the constitution is still a public force. Apple is doing it right - maintaining its dignity and integrity and its honour! 

    Paying off congress can only weaken the actual democratic mechanisms in place that still function, and subvert the remaining strength of the constitutional rights that remain. Apple is great. Truly great!
    The Feds did not drop the case. A continuance while they see if they can bust in without Apple is not "dropping the case". It is an attempt to not play cards that may be unnecessary. Never test your hand if you think you can win without showing your cards.
    gatorguy
  • Reply 38 of 40
    ai46ai46 Posts: 56member
    dinoone said:
    Math cannot be undiscovered or unlearned, not even by brute force or by law.
    Ever hear of the "Dark Ages"?
  • Reply 39 of 40
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    tommikele said:
    brakken said:
    Disagree. Apple is doing the right thing and in the right way. The feds dropping this case proves they knew they couldn't win. The weakening of the bill is further proof the constitution is still a public force. Apple is doing it right - maintaining its dignity and integrity and its honour! 

    Paying off congress can only weaken the actual democratic mechanisms in place that still function, and subvert the remaining strength of the constitutional rights that remain. Apple is great. Truly great!
    The Feds did not drop the case. A continuance while they see if they can bust in without Apple is not "dropping the case". It is an attempt to not play cards that may be unnecessary. Never test your hand if you think you can win without showing your cards.
    Unless they can prove they actually did not have this all along, or this is not just some hot air to delay, I don't fracking one word the FBI says.

    That's basically what Apple said, they'll need to prove this crap actually exists and its not just words.
  • Reply 40 of 40
    CMA102DLCMA102DL Posts: 121member
    izenstein said:
    *I have an idea as a compromise for security and unlocking a locked phone. I call it a triangulation key. Where a phone can be unlocked with a court warrant. It works where 3 encrypted codes are synced up to unlock a phone, government code, Apple code and finally the actual targeted iPhone. The iPhone must approve the two keys in order to unlock. The phone can't unlock unless approved. 
    * A warrant triangulation code approved by the governments and Apple that is a one time approval for opening device. Must be approved by the government and Apple and synchronized for unlocking. Retrieval of data dump uploaded by Apple for a set time limit then phone relocks and new warrant key approved. Use Quantum Key which applies fuzzy entanglement at a distance. Finally unauthorized hacking would trigger a warning to Apple at highest level of management. 
    Anything that provides an alternate access is a backdoor, no matter how many keys. More keys does not make it more secure. In fact, it makes security more vulnerable. And then whatever encryption scheme you come up needs to compete against some other schemes such as AES-256 and it must provide the same level of protection at all access.
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