Indian government publicly rejects Apple's desire to sell used iPhones

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  • Reply 21 of 51
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,403member
    ....There is little to no enforcement of trademarks or copyrights. You can buy bootleg movies and software on the street, openly, with no fear of prosecution. ....
    Sitting right here in the US, I can 'buy' movies and software (and much more) on the internet for free: what's your point?
  • Reply 22 of 51
    latifbplatifbp Posts: 544member
    Honestly, I am failing to see why this spat about used phones such a big deal on all sides. Really, do we think that this is somehow the centerpiece of Apple's long term entry and growth strategy into the seventh largest -- and one of the fastest growing -- economies in the world?
    It's a start to get these cheapskates invested into Apple's sticky ecosystem.
  • Reply 23 of 51
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,176member
    bobschlob said:
    gatorguy said:
    bobschlob said:
    Saying Apple late to the party again?
    Is that what you think? Seems there's a lot of smartphones yet to be sold in India and lots of room for whoever makes it a priority to market to them. I personally don't think anyone is "late" but opinions probably differ.
    Thought OP was regarding Apple Stores. If I understood; you said Xiaomi  and Samsung have built manufacturing plants in India, and therefor can have stores there. Apple (yet) has not, and therefor cannot. i.e. "late".
    Or did I misunderstand?
    The person the comment was in reply to (Digitalclips) was discussing the 30% sourcing rule.
  • Reply 24 of 51
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,403member
    latifbp said:
    Honestly, I am failing to see why this spat about used phones such a big deal on all sides. Really, do we think that this is somehow the centerpiece of Apple's long term entry and growth strategy into the seventh largest -- and one of the fastest growing -- economies in the world?
    It's a start to get these cheapskates invested into Apple's sticky ecosystem.
    Apple's vaunted ecosystem is currently entirely absent in India, so the argument does not hold.
  • Reply 25 of 51
    tommikeletommikele Posts: 599member
    And if the Americans had any backbone they would go tit for tat on this. I'm quite sure they can find something India exports to the USA to slap some nice big tariffs on.
    edited May 2016
  • Reply 26 of 51
    tommikeletommikele Posts: 599member
    sree said:

    Not for India. 

    There are a lot of rules in this world that look ridiculous to outsiders, but might not be so from a different perspective.

    Take for example, the spouse's of H1-B visa holders in the US not being allowed to work anywhere. Isn't that exactly the opposite of wanting women's lib? seriously, what are the poor wives of these workers supposed to do, just sit at home and cut carrots? I know proper working women who had to cut short their careers just to support their husband's career. Its ridiculous but it is the law of the land in the USA.
    Wow, talk about applying stereo types and being demeaning to women! Women lib? Cut carrots? Proper working women? Somehow I think you just might be Indian and in the USA on an H1-B visa and your wife is going insane with boredom
  • Reply 27 of 51
    sreesree Posts: 152member
    latifbp said:
    Honestly, I am failing to see why this spat about used phones such a big deal on all sides. Really, do we think that this is somehow the centerpiece of Apple's long term entry and growth strategy into the seventh largest -- and one of the fastest growing -- economies in the world?
    It's a start to get these cheapskates invested into Apple's sticky ecosystem.
    Why do you even these "cheapskates", go sell to people who are not. Nobody is begging for iPhones, trust me.
    cnocbui
  • Reply 28 of 51
    sreesree Posts: 152member

    tommikele said:
    sree said:
    Wow, talk about applying stereo types and being demeaning to women! Women lib? Cut carrots? Proper working women? Somehow I think you just might be Indian and in the USA on an H1-B visa and your wife is going insane with boredom
    Actually, I am not. My sister is in the US though.

    And any logical counter points to what i have said though? NO? Wow talk about being a paparazzi journalist instead of actually reading what I said?
  • Reply 29 of 51
    sreesree Posts: 152member
    foggyhill said:
    It may be, but the rules are what they are, and it applies to everyone equally. This is the reality of doing business globally. Rules tend to different in different places. 
    The rules of doing business globally (and internally) is quid pro quo and influence peddling, not fairness.
    Its the same to various degrees everywhere, but especially in countries with opaque, large and complex bureaucracies.
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    Protectionists policies are rarely if ever fair;
    if there were, they would be no need to make a show of turning down Apple and scmoozing the political establishment would make no difference either.

    Apple I thought had scratched enough backs to get something but it seems they haven't applied to right incentive yet (yep, that's how it really goes there and most everywhere).

    Yea, very similar to how farmers and farming in the US are protected.
  • Reply 30 of 51
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,382member
    So, Tim spends a week in India, shmoozing, sucking up, making investments, announcing facilities and the hiring of thousands, attends cricket games, and God knows what else, while the Indian government pretends to entertain him. Then, right after they make a point to publicly humiliate and damage Apple with this announcement. Absolutely shameless and disrespectful. Why does India deserve these investments and attention from Apple if it is not willing to budge on something like this? 

    Right when the stock was getting some traction, too. There's always something. 
    latifbpbadmonk
  • Reply 31 of 51
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    ireland said:
    The store rule is totally ridiculous.
    It may be, but the rules are what they are, and it applies to everyone equally. 
    So it's equally ridiculous for all companies trying to sell in India. We'd give out left net for an Apple Store in Ireland and India are trying to keep them out.
    latifbp
  • Reply 32 of 51
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,176member
    ireland said:
    ireland said:
    The store rule is totally ridiculous.
    It may be, but the rules are what they are, and it applies to everyone equally. 
    So it's equally ridiculous for all companies trying to sell in India. We'd give out left net for an Apple Store in Ireland and India are trying to keep them out.
    It could be that they're trying to apply the rules fairly no matter how small or how powerful the company is. Apple isn't the only company requesting a waiver nor will they be the last. Personally I would commend the Indian authorities for not letting Apple do what they won't allow for others that lack the money or resources for lobbying. 
    edited May 2016
  • Reply 33 of 51
    freerangefreerange Posts: 1,597member
    This is restraint of trade pure and simple. While one can argue that India is a developing nation and needs the flexibility to grow their own businesses / industries, the reality is that India is being allowed to steal our jobs by the 10's of thousands through the illegal use and abuse of the H1-B visa program where Indian workers are being imported into the US and directly replacing American workers. This is happening on a massive scale through huge Indian outsourcing companies. At the same time, major American companies have been shipping 100's of 1,000's of jobs to India to these same outsourcing companies. It's time to put an end to these practices as India is not interested in a level playing field.
  • Reply 34 of 51
    sreesree Posts: 152member
    freerange said:
    This is restraint of trade pure and simple. While one can argue that India is a developing nation and needs the flexibility to grow their own businesses / industries, the reality is that India is being allowed to steal our jobs by the 10's of thousands through the illegal use and abuse of the H1-B visa program where Indian workers are being imported into the US and directly replacing American workers. This is happening on a massive scale through huge Indian outsourcing companies. At the same time, major American companies have been shipping 100's of 1,000's of jobs to India to these same outsourcing companies. It's time to put an end to these practices as India is not interested in a level playing field.
    Well, the indian companies (only indian, not american) are charged $4000 extra per H1B visa as compared to non-indian companies. Is that a level playing field?

    There is a cap of 65,000 H1B visas per year, and these visas are for a period of 6 years only. Considering the US has like 400million people I think you can handle a few thousand indians?

    The whole of the US farming sector exists primarily due to subsidies and non-level playing field (considering farm exports would be the major chunck for predominantly farming countries like India, is that a level playing field?)

    Most of India's money is spent on importing oil (a resource they don't have), and unlike the US they have historically been friends with Iran and got cheap oil from them. But due to the US imposed sanctions, they have had to buy costly oil from US companies operating out of saudi. Hmm. Very level playing field, that is?

    The U.S. government mandates that Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients in drugs should be made locally. Guess which country has one of the largest pharmaceutical industry and gets affected? India of course. Level playing field anyone?

    It is very simple, US or India or any other country, they try to protect the areas of business where they can't compete, and are open where they can. All International trading orgs like WTO have caveats in them to allow countries to do this. 

    bestkeptsecretspacerays
  • Reply 35 of 51
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,403member
    freerange said:
    This is restraint of trade pure and simple. While one can argue that India is a developing nation and needs the flexibility to grow their own businesses / industries, the reality is that India is being allowed to steal our jobs by the 10's of thousands through the illegal use and abuse of the H1-B visa program where Indian workers are being imported into the US and directly replacing American workers. This is happening on a massive scale through huge Indian outsourcing companies. At the same time, major American companies have been shipping 100's of 1,000's of jobs to India to these same outsourcing companies. It's time to put an end to these practices as India is not interested in a level playing field.
    Oh please. Every country imposes such trade barriers, and the playing field is far from level in a wide range of places around the world. Many industrialized countries have even more aggressive barriers. For example, France heavily protects its agriculture, and bans investments by foreign companies in a whole host of sectors (including casino gambling); Japan protects its auto/auto parts, pharma, and agricultural industries; the US has barriers against foreign investments in airlines, national parks, shipping, defense, nuclear, etc.; Canada imposes all sorts of quotas on things such as 'culture' (e.g., the amount of non-Canadian content that can be shown on TV) and agriculture; China is hog-crazy with restrictions, especially in the IT industry, to the point that companies like Google, Facebook, EBay, Amazon, Netflix, Linkedin, Twitter can't even (or are to even allowed to) compete there. The list is endless.

    In fact, this particular requirement from India is fairly benign by comparison. (There are others -- e.g., in financial services -- that are far more egregious).

    The US is in no position to be throwing stones on this issue at any one particular country. Also, if you want the US to ban outsourcing, good luck...
    cnocbui
  • Reply 36 of 51
    latifbplatifbp Posts: 544member
    latifbp said:
    It's a start to get these cheapskates invested into Apple's sticky ecosystem.
    Apple's vaunted ecosystem is currently entirely absent in India, so the argument does not hold.
    Tim Cook was just there helping the head guy with his app, pledging a maps dev center, and a center for the best software people to build said apps for the ecosystem there. 
  • Reply 37 of 51
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    sree said:

    Not for India. 

    There are a lot of rules in this world that look ridiculous to outsiders, but might not be so from a different perspective.

    Take for example, the spouse's of H1-B visa holders in the US not being allowed to work anywhere. Isn't that exactly the opposite of wanting women's lib? seriously, what are the poor wives of these workers supposed to do, just sit at home and cut carrots? I know proper working women who had to cut short their careers just to support their husband's career. Its ridiculous but it is the law of the land in the USA.
    Your logic is wrong.  The H1 visa allow foreigners to work.  It the spouse wants to work, the spouse should apply for a work visa too.  If the spouse can work without a working permit, then why do we need H1 visa at all? 
    anton zuykov
  • Reply 38 of 51
    mubailimubaili Posts: 453member
    Indian govt are a bunch misguided idiots, in the name of protecting pop and mom shops etc they have delayed India's economy development for decades. Look no further to its neighbor country China. They don't even understand the basic trade that could benefit India. The are completely incompetent.
    radster360
  • Reply 39 of 51
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,403member
    mubaili said:
    Indian govt are a bunch misguided idiots.... completely incompetent.
    This is, sadly, true.
    radster360anton zuykov
  • Reply 40 of 51
    radster360radster360 Posts: 546member
    sree said:

    Not for India. 

    There are a lot of rules in this world that look ridiculous to outsiders, but might not be so from a different perspective.

    Take for example, the spouse's of H1-B visa holders in the US not being allowed to work anywhere. Isn't that exactly the opposite of wanting women's lib? seriously, what are the poor wives of these workers supposed to do, just sit at home and cut carrots? I know proper working women who had to cut short their careers just to support their husband's career. Its ridiculous but it is the law of the land in the USA.
    What does the spouse of H1-B visa has anything to do this? There are many people in US where husband wife are separated while they have to go find a job somewhere because some H1-B has taken his/her job. Matter of fact this stupid government has passed a immigration bell that allows for the wife's to work - Stupid!
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