Apple.com hosts tribute to late boxer Muhammad Ali

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  • Reply 21 of 41
    adhiradhir Posts: 50member
    No man is perfect, living or dead. Let him rest in peace.
    coolfactorronnchia
  • Reply 22 of 41
    ncil49ncil49 Posts: 30member
    Rayz2016 said:
    bobschlob said:
    You: Racist whiner. (and stock market loser) :)
    You forgot attention-seeker. 
    Yeah.  No. 
  • Reply 23 of 41
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,404member
    Nice. Wish they would have done one for Prince too.


    Why? No disrespect intended in any way shape or form, but he wasn't even remotely in the same league.
  • Reply 24 of 41
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,808member
    Nice. Wish they would have done one for Prince too.



    You're probably going to disagree, but I don't think Prince was as influential as Muhammad Ali. Not everyone gets to be on Apple's homepage just because they die and were popular. People who changed the world do, Prince was not one of those. He was great, but not really an inspiration to most people like Ali and others that were on Think Different posters. 
    edited June 2016 dasanman69
  • Reply 25 of 41
    ncil49ncil49 Posts: 30member
    the.bear said:
    ncil49 said:
    I point it out only because I believe most people see only one side and never look for another 
    Unless you are evenhanded and do this both to people that you admire and support and to people that you dislike then you are pretty much what your accusers say you are. I agree that a lot of the people who are sweeping Ali's failures under the rug are quick to point out the flaws of public figures that they disagree with. I am merely stating that you are no better than those that you accuse.
    I'm pretty even handed.   Thanks for accusing.  Is anyone disparaging me even old enough to actually remember his fights?  Back on point though.... Apple is meandering and lost as a company and a car is certainly not the answer.
  • Reply 26 of 41
    ncil49ncil49 Posts: 30member
    koop said:
    The same people who think any complex issue can be boiled down with simple anecdotes and catchphrases are predictably demanding a more nuanced look at Ali's life, lest the whole "liberal media" be spinning their moral decay all over this great (white) country.

    I'm all for a hardened look at someone's legacy. But I've been on the internet for over half my life and have seen the destructive discourse that has amplified over the past decade, and refuse to believe anyone who insists their critical opinions that conveniently show up when a famous minority dies are based purely on intellectual motives.

    Fuck off.
    Really?  Fuck off?  That's it?  Not a lot of room for other views on this board.
    anantksundaram
  • Reply 27 of 41
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,243member
    ncil49 said:
    bobschlob said:
    You: Racist whiner. (and stock market loser)
    I make no judgement. Just another side to the coin.  I wondered how fast I would be personally attacked for a dissenting thought.  
    There's a big difference between anti-white and pro-integration. And Islam does not represent hating America. Your comment was deliberately done to provoke a response.
    edited June 2016 ronnroundaboutnow
  • Reply 28 of 41
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,243member
    prokip said:
    I had a poster of Ali on my wall for many years.  Some of his great lines, e.g. "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee", are an inspiration to many. 

    BUT, could someone please explain to me what a fella who made his money by punching other people (mostly black people) in the face has to do with a company that sells mobile phones and computers?

    There are far more people worthy of this kind of attention and respect than Ali, surely.

    Apple's "Think Different" campaign used iconic celebrities. People that stood out from the crowd. Inspired people. Cleared their own paths through the noise of the world. Didn't just follow the trends. Although I'm not into boxing and I didn't follow Ali's career at all, over the past few days, I've come to see why he was admired. He was bold, different, unique. People noticed. That is why Apple included him. It makes sense.
    ronnroundaboutnowchia
  • Reply 29 of 41
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    bobschlob said:
    You: Racist whiner. (and stock market loser) :)

    No he's not. 

    Ali was racist. There is no dispute. But he wasn't in your face about it. 

    There the was nothing good about Nation of Islam either. 

    And cheating on your wife is bad. Ali did that too. 

    As as a person, everything be has good and bad. Ali had a lot of his good and bad known because he was a public figure. 

    To to me he was a man fortunate to make a name for himself and a lot of money in sports. I can't think of anything he did to actually help people at large. 

    But it he was larger than life, was not free funny and provided people with tremendous entertainment. 

    Hes left behind a family, some of whom ARE trying to help people at large and 

    hes he's now gone. And it's polite to pay respect. But he was simply a man, faults and all. No reason to pretend otherwise. 

    That said, I see no reason for anyone to point out his faults at this time as its very sensitive to his family and loved ones. No more than we'd like folks to do it to our family members when they pass on. 
    It's pretty easy to hate those that hate and oppress you. 
    ronn
  • Reply 30 of 41
    rogifan_newrogifan_new Posts: 4,297member
    macxpress said:
    Nice. Wish they would have done one for Prince too.



    You're probably going to disagree, but I don't think Prince was as influential as Muhammad Ali. Not everyone gets to be on Apple's homepage just because they die and were popular. People who changed the world do, Prince was not one of those. He was great, but not really an inspiration to most people like Ali and others that were on Think Different posters. 
    I'm not here to argue that Prince was more influential than Ali (I don't think he was) but he's right up there with Elvis and Michael Jackson in terms of major cultural icons IMO. The day he died here in the US all 4 major networks broke in to their daytime programming with a special news report announcing his death. That doesn't happen for just any celebrity. CNN was basically non stop coverage for days. I live one mile from Paisley Park and for an entire week national news media satellite trucks were parked outside the place. I drive by his house every day on the way to/from work. The street his house is on was closed for an entire month and every day I drove home from work there were a steady stream of people walking the fence around his property either reading tributes others left or leaving their own. Below is one example:



    Of course people are never going to agree on who is worthy or not so maybe Apple should stop doing it all together.
  • Reply 31 of 41
    rogifan_newrogifan_new Posts: 4,297member
    Nice. Wish they would have done one for Prince too.


    Did they do one for Michael Jackson when he passed?
    I wondered that myself. Not sure.
  • Reply 32 of 41
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,404member
    macxpress said:

    You're probably going to disagree, but I don't think Prince was as influential as Muhammad Ali. Not everyone gets to be on Apple's homepage just because they die and were popular. People who changed the world do, Prince was not one of those. He was great, but not really an inspiration to most people like Ali and others that were on Think Different posters. 
    I'm not here to argue that Prince was more influential than Ali (I don't think he was) but he's right up there with Elvis and Michael Jackson in terms of major cultural icons IMO. The day he died here in the US all 4 major networks broke in to their daytime programming with a special news report announcing his death. That doesn't happen for just any celebrity. CNN was basically non stop coverage for days. I live one mile from Paisley Park and for an entire week national news media satellite trucks were parked outside the place. I drive by his house every day on the way to/from work. The street his house is on was closed for an entire month and every day I drove home from work there were a steady stream of people walking the fence around his property either reading tributes others left or leaving their own. Below is one example:



    Of course people are never going to agree on who is worthy or not so maybe Apple should stop doing it all together.
    Not at all. Pictures of flowers mean little -- think, for example, about the number of flowers that will show up when Kim Kardashian moves on (and no, I am not comparing Prince to KK).

    Ali was one of the icons celebrated in (inarguably) the most famous ad series that Apple has ever run, viewed by Apple as being in the same league as Gandhi, MLK, Edison, Einstein... it is only natural that Apple would memorialize him in this fashion. I realize that Prince meant a lot to you (after all, his face is now your avatar), but please move on.
    edited June 2016
  • Reply 33 of 41
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member

    It is useful to remember the racial attitudes at the time ...

    For example, when Ali fought Patterson in Las Vegas (1965*) neither participant could stay at a Las Vegas hotel -- Las Vegas was a segregated town.  Hotels in the [separate] town of North Las Vegas was where non-white minorities stayed.

    * Also, this from the same era:

    On the night of June 21–22, 1964, three civil rights workers were abducted and murdered in Neshoba County, Mississippi, an event which has since been called the Freedom Summer Murders. The civil rights workers were James Earl Chaney of Meridian, MississippiAndrew Goodman, and Michael "Mickey" Schwerner of New York City, New York, and were associated with the Council of Federated Organizations (COFO) and its member organization, the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE). They had been working on the "Freedom Summer" campaign, attempting to prepare and register African Americans to vote after they had been disenfranchised since 1890.

    The three young men were chased in their car, abducted, shot at close range, and buried in an earthen dam by members of the local White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, the Neshoba County Sheriff's Office, and the Philadelphia, Mississippi Police Department.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_civil_rights_workers'_murders

    I don't know if this changed for Ali's later fights in Las Vegas, as we moved to ChicagoLand in 1968.


    edited June 2016 dasanman69chia
  • Reply 34 of 41
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,808member
    Did they do one for Michael Jackson when he passed?
    I wondered that myself. Not sure.

    I looked on the web archiver (see below) and I don't see anything about Michael Jackson on Apple's front page during the time he died in 2009. Again, while he was great, not really someone who influenced the world as a whole, or at least how Apple see's it. He's not a Ghandi in other words. 


    edited June 2016
  • Reply 35 of 41
    knowitallknowitall Posts: 1,648member

    There the was nothing good about Nation of Islam either. 

    And cheating on your wife is bad. Ali did that too. 

    As as a person, everything be has good and bad. Ali had a lot of his good and bad known because he was a public figure. 

    To to me he was a man fortunate to make a name for himself and a lot of money in sports. I can't think of anything he did to actually help people at large. 

    But it he was larger than life, was not free funny and provided people with tremendous entertainment. 

    Hes left behind a family, some of whom ARE trying to help people at large and 

    hes he's now gone. And it's polite to pay respect. But he was simply a man, faults and all. No reason to pretend otherwise. 

    That said, I see no reason for anyone to point out his faults at this time as its very sensitive to his family and loved ones. No more than we'd like folks to do it to our family members when they pass on. 
    We are already taken over by the Chinese.
  • Reply 36 of 41
    knowitallknowitall Posts: 1,648member
    Nice. Wish they would have done one for Prince too.
    Why? No disrespect intended in any way shape or form, but he wasn't even remotely in the same league.
    I agree, one punch was enough.
  • Reply 37 of 41
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,799member
    I do not respect anyone who is boastful.
  • Reply 38 of 41
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    Nice. Wish they would have done one for Prince too.


    prince wasn't in the same league as Ali; Ali was pretty big in civil rights. 

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-zirin-muhammad-ali-legacy-20160603-snap-story.html?campaign_id=A100&campaign_type=Email
    propodchia
  • Reply 39 of 41
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    volcan said:
    I do not respect anyone who is boastful.
    What harm is a little self aggrandizement? 
  • Reply 40 of 41

    It is useful to remember the racial attitudes at the time ...

    For example, when Ali fought Patterson in Las Vegas (1965*) neither participant could stay at a Las Vegas hotel -- Las Vegas was a segregated town.  Hotels in the [separate] town of North Las Vegas was where non-white minorities stayed.

    * Also, this from the same era:

    On the night of June 21–22, 1964, three civil rights workers were abducted and murdered in Neshoba County, Mississippi, an event which has since been called the Freedom Summer Murders. The civil rights workers were James Earl Chaney of Meridian, MississippiAndrew Goodman, and Michael "Mickey" Schwerner of New York City, New York, and were associated with the Council of Federated Organizations (COFO) and its member organization, the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE). They had been working on the "Freedom Summer" campaign, attempting to prepare and register African Americans to vote after they had been disenfranchised since 1890.

    The three young men were chased in their car, abducted, shot at close range, and buried in an earthen dam by members of the local White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, the Neshoba County Sheriff's Office, and the Philadelphia, Mississippi Police Department.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_civil_rights_workers'_murders

    I don't know if this changed for Ali's later fights in Las Vegas, as we moved to ChicagoLand in 1968.


    As a Swede, I can only confirm the racial attitude in boxing from the heavyweight champion fight between Floyd Patterson and Ingemar Johansson (INGO) when the Patterson lost the title to INGO in 1959. Unfortunately, it was the white supremacy ideas that got hold of Europeans and white Americans of the time - boxing was back "at home" where it belonged.
    In the return fight, the following year 1960 F. Patterson won the title back with a spectacular KO in 5th where INGO was counted out unconscious. After the count, Patterson showed his concern for Johansson by cradling his motionless opponent and promising him a rematch, which INGO also lost.

    Some years later an Olympic Champion from (ROME 1960) named Cassius Clay won the title from Sonny Liston in 1964.

    Boxing was now an affair among Americans that could not ride the same bus, sit on the same bench, go to same schools, etc. as White Americans. The apartheid system of some States Of The Union would not allow this until the middle of the decade of 1970.

    I still remember when Muhammad Ali declared that he changed his SLAVE name and religious belief because neither of them would ever help him. 

    I still remember how upset we Europeans were when Ali was stripped of his title because he refused to fight an unfair war against Vietnam - "No VietCong have never called me nigger" became a slogan against the Vietnam war.

    Muhammad Ali became an icon and front figure that was applauded around the world for his continued fight for a modern nonracial USA.

    RIP Muhammad Ali and thanks for all the inspiration you have given humanity!  
    chiasingularitydasanman69
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