Why do they have to waste their time and money on gimmicks? Why do they have to waste their fans time and money?
This is all true Nintendo fans want:
1. A console 2. With power similiar to the competiton 3. With a decent controller
That's it. But Nintendo keeps doing stupid stuff. Motion controllers, controllers that look like wands, controls with big screens on them..........ENOUGH!!!
Just give us a system with decent power, a good controller, and no pricey gimmicks!
The last time Nintendo did this they dominated gaming = the SNES.
Starting with the N64, Nintendo has been giving us gimmick features or a severly underpowered console.
1. N64 - not using a disc media was stupid. All because Nintendo wanted to control chips and piracy. 3rd parties did not want to make games because cartridges were so crazy expense.
2. Gamecube - super underpowered system. Plus tiny disc gimmick lead to less content.
3. Wii - gimmick controller. Very underpowered compared to competition
4. WiiU - just like Wii but worse
5. Switch -gimmick controller. Plus the extra screen is EXPENSIVE. That money should have been spent on better CPU/GPU to match competition
I have no idea why Nintendo loves to rely on gimmicks now. They don't need to! Just give us a system and controller that is competitive and pump out your awesome franchise games - Mario, Zelda, Metroid, ect. Make it easy for 3rd parties to make games on your system!
As one of the biggest Ex-Nintendo fans online I'll tell you you're wrong.
"gimmick wand controller"
The Wii remote was awarded with many innovation awards and Time Magazine called it the second biggest invention of 2006. Steve Jobs loved the idea and it paved the way for the future of gaming.
"Wii was a failure"
Wii was the fastest selling console in history. It was so revolutionary and sold so much people at the time were calling Nintendo "the next "Apple". When selfish little nerds started complaining that it wasn't "hard-core" enough Nintendo listen to the fans and released the Wii you to satisfy their appetite. This became one of Nintendo's biggest failures.
"Wii games didn't sell"
The Wii is home to a few games in the top 10 highest selling games of all time. The $100 Wii Fit being one of them. That has got to be one of the highest grossing games in history.
Why do they have to waste their time and money on gimmicks? Why do they have to waste their fans time and money?
This is all true Nintendo fans want:
1. A console 2. With power similiar to the competiton 3. With a decent controller
That's it. But Nintendo keeps doing stupid stuff. Motion controllers, controllers that look like wands, controls with big screens on them..........ENOUGH!!!
Just give us a system with decent power, a good controller, and no pricey gimmicks!
The last time Nintendo did this they dominated gaming = the SNES.
Starting with the N64, Nintendo has been giving us gimmick features or a severly underpowered console.
1. N64 - not using a disc media was stupid. All because Nintendo wanted to control chips and piracy. 3rd parties did not want to make games because cartridges were so crazy expense.
2. Gamecube - super underpowered system. Plus tiny disc gimmick lead to less content.
3. Wii - gimmick controller. Very underpowered compared to competition
4. WiiU - just like Wii but worse
5. Switch -gimmick controller. Plus the extra screen is EXPENSIVE. That money should have been spent on better CPU/GPU to match competition
I have no idea why Nintendo loves to rely on gimmicks now. They don't need to! Just give us a system and controller that is competitive and pump out your awesome franchise games - Mario, Zelda, Metroid, ect. Make it easy for 3rd parties to make games on your system!
The Wii was a huge success for Nintendo, the "gimmick" controller differentiated it from the power gamer consoles and opened up the market to millions of casual gamers. Having said that, that success was a decade ago. They are way overdue for another big hit. They have such a valuable pool of IP (Pokemon, Mario, Zelda, etc.) they can turn any device into a must-have purchase for kids (my kids and all their friends went through LOTS of DSes to keep up with all the Pokemon games)--if/when they don't screw it up.
FYI, during the Wii-induced boom times, Nintendo was the second most valuable publicly traded company in Japan (after Toyota). I assume that's ancient history now.
After Pokemon Go was released, they became very valuable again but that didn't last.
The success/value of Wii lasted about four years. You can't even compare these.
The thing I don't get: does the console work without the portable screen?
Lets say you come home from work and you want to play Zelda. But then you realize your Son took the portable screen to his friends house. Does the Switch still work? If not, then this will lead to a ton of fights in homes with multiple gamers.
The screen is the console. The dock just adds connectivity to the TV and charges the unit.
That's lame.
So if you live in a multi-gamer household your 'console' could go missing for long stretches.
If Nintendo allow sales of the "tablet" separately then this would actually be a good problem. You could be at home playing Zelda while little Timmy is on the school bus playing Mario. Everyone in the household could have their own switch.
GameCube underpowered??
It had waaay faster proc than the PS2! And the little discs made the loading times so much shorter, Gamecube was Nintendo's last real console imo
Those numbers are misleading because Wii Sports and Wii Play were basically free games that was included in that 8.8 number
OK, so about 100.9 mil Wii units sold, subtract 2 games per unit (201.8mil) bringing the total to about 690.54mil, thus making the attach rate 6.84. This still puts the Wii in the top 5 for the company out of about 10 different units.
but the Wii was out for much longer than the NES, SNES, ect.
Anyway I know too many people who bought the Wii and never bought any game.
Again not true. NES was out for the longest time.Niintendo killed the Wii super fast. They killed it off soon after its peak time. To put some perspective into this, this is like apple releasing the next iPhone in April 2017. Yes it was stupid but Nintendo thought they could ride the momentum.
Why do they have to waste their time and money on gimmicks? Why do they have to waste their fans time and money?
This is all true Nintendo fans want:
1. A console 2. With power similiar to the competiton 3. With a decent controller
That's it. But Nintendo keeps doing stupid stuff. Motion controllers, controllers that look like wands, controls with big screens on them..........ENOUGH!!!
Just give us a system with decent power, a good controller, and no pricey gimmicks!
The last time Nintendo did this they dominated gaming = the SNES.
Starting with the N64, Nintendo has been giving us gimmick features or a severly underpowered console.
1. N64 - not using a disc media was stupid. All because Nintendo wanted to control chips and piracy. 3rd parties did not want to make games because cartridges were so crazy expense.
2. Gamecube - super underpowered system. Plus tiny disc gimmick lead to less content.
3. Wii - gimmick controller. Very underpowered compared to competition
4. WiiU - just like Wii but worse
5. Switch -gimmick controller. Plus the extra screen is EXPENSIVE. That money should have been spent on better CPU/GPU to match competition
I have no idea why Nintendo loves to rely on gimmicks now. They don't need to! Just give us a system and controller that is competitive and pump out your awesome franchise games - Mario, Zelda, Metroid, ect. Make it easy for 3rd parties to make games on your system!
The Wii was a huge success for Nintendo, the "gimmick" controller differentiated it from the power gamer consoles and opened up the market to millions of casual gamers. Having said that, that success was a decade ago. They are way overdue for another big hit. They have such a valuable pool of IP (Pokemon, Mario, Zelda, etc.) they can turn any device into a must-have purchase for kids (my kids and all their friends went through LOTS of DSes to keep up with all the Pokemon games)--if/when they don't screw it up.
FYI, during the Wii-induced boom times, Nintendo was the second most valuable publicly traded company in Japan (after Toyota). I assume that's ancient history now.
The Wii's 'success' was overrated.
Yes they sold a ton of systems. But the problem was most of the sales were to very casual gamers. And what ended up happenning was these casual gamers did not buy games. The Wii had the lowest games sales per console by far. The other problem was these casual gamers did not buy the WiiU, because the gimmick died. The Wii's success was a fad and did nothing to strengthen Nintendo long term.
In fact the Wii hurt Nintendo. Since it was seen as a casual gamers system. It also had a crappy controller that did not work well with hardcore games and gamers.
What REAL GAMERS want is simply a decently powered Nintendo system with a good controller. No gimmicks. This big screen controller is just another expensive gimmick.
Why Nintendo can't do this blows my mind. Its almost as if they out think themself. The console itself does not have to revolutionary. Its the GAMES that make the console, not the other way around.
The strategy is simple:
1. Wait for Sony/Microsoft to release their systems 2. A year latter Nintendo releases a system with simliar hardware power (components should be much cheaper a year latter) 3. Don't add any gimmicks to keep the price low 4. Release Nintendo's franchise games
Literally that's all Nintendo has to do. And its easy. Cheap POS China smartphone brands can do this( release a year old device for much cheaper). Why can't Nintendo?
There is no excuse why Nintendo releases severly underpowered consoles.
I believe that the Wii had the second highest Attach Rate of Nintendo Systems. (8.84 or about)
Those numbers are misleading because Wii Sports and Wii Play were basically free games that was included in that 8.8 number
This was discussed about 6 years ago. Wii Sports numbers are valid because it wasn't packed in with the console in every country And in those countries everyone who bought a Wii bought Wii Sports along with it. Another interesting point is that most people bought a Wii for Wii Sports.
I agree with this. It looks very much like a personal device.
This is the main reason I don't want Nintendo to do gimmicks on their consoles because:
1. It will make it cost too much 2. The cost of the gimmicks means less money spent on the CPU/GPU
I wish Nintendo would just make a conventional console with no gimmicks that is equal or more powerful (what a concept!) than the competition.
Now if Nintendo can sell the Switch for $250 then they might have a hit. But I doubt it. That screen alone looks expensive. I'm thinking $299 minimum. Which is a dumb move. Nintendo should have just made a standard console and sold it for $199.
Although you have some valid points in your multiple posts, I think you'd be happier if you stopped worrying about gimmicks and started focusing on games.
Whatever the shortcomings of the Wii U, it has some really excellent games you can't find on any other system. I have never liked the Wii U's gamepad controller but I'm not so full of myself that I think my personal controller preference affects how good the games actually are, and for games such as Xenoblade Chronicles X or Splatoon the gamepad is actually fairly useful.
I personally am looking forward to the oddly-named 'Switch' and plan on buying it. It looks like what the Wii U should have been.
Smash Bros. Wii U is the greatest game I've ever played in my life.
cali said: Smash Bros. Wii U is the greatest game I've ever played in my life.
Wish they’d’ve kept Snake and the other removed characters. That’s my only complaint with it other than the god-awful menu design.
Not that I necessarily want to support the actions of the AAA developers these days, but what’s with third parties claiming that Nintendo can’t handle their games, anyway? The WiiU was easily powerful enough, but I guess we can chalk that up to Nintendo’s fault.
sog35 said: Now if Nintendo can sell the Switch for $250 then they might have a hit. But I doubt it. That screen alone looks expensive. I'm thinking $299 minimum. Which is a dumb move. Nintendo should have just made a standard console and sold it for $199.
Nintendo's audience no longer wants to buy console boxes, they are primarily mobile:
Gaming companies don't seem to be able to succeed at both mobile and box consoles, they succeed at one or the other. Sony's mobile efforts failed while Nintendo's was successful but the Wii U failed where the PS4 succeeded. It's hard to develop compelling software titles so having resources split between platforms isn't ideal, it's best they go one way or the other and it doesn't make sense for Nintendo to abandon their biggest audience.
The box console makes most sense for Microsoft and Sony as their audience is into FPS games etc and they don't need to game on the go as the titles aren't pick-up-and-play. Nintendo is more about family-friendly titles and with mobile, kids can easily take the console into their own room to play or in the car with them.
The Switch won't be underpowered, it will be faster than the Wii U. The next Tegra is 1.5TFLOPs FP16, 10x the Tegra 4:
NVidia showed a Tegra X1 demo a while ago (the previous Tegra, 1TFLOP) running the Unreal 4 Elemental test:
That's clearly slower than a PS4, I'd say around half the performance. The next Tegra will be 50% faster. Add in the fact that it's a mobile device and will be running optimal software, it should be effectively like having a handheld PS4. The PS4 and XBO will be replaced by faster models (4x-5x faster) but the software will still have to be compatible with the original PS4 and XBO so performance-wise, developers shouldn't be restricted by the Switch hardware.
Nobody can tell how these device sales will play out but this will be Nintendo's main, single hardware platform and the biggest selling point is their own software. They won't be able to do things like Pokemon Go because of the lack of cellular data and rear camera but they can do some unique things with the portable console and detachable controllers. They couldn't risk making another console box:
This move will focus all the company's resources around the platform where they are currently strongest, which is the mobile platform. It may launch at $299 but could fall to $199 within a year or by Christmas 2017 and that would be a very good price to hit for that kind of hardware.
As one of the biggest Ex-Nintendo fans online I'll tell you you're wrong.
"gimmick wand controller"
The Wii remote was awarded with many innovation awards and Time Magazine called it the second biggest invention of 2006. Steve Jobs loved the idea and it paved the way for the future of gaming.
I bought a PlayStation Move controller when it released. One look at it and my girlfriend said "not tonight dear, I have a headache".
The thing I don't get: does the console work without the portable screen?
Lets say you come home from work and you want to play Zelda. But then you realize your Son took the portable screen to his friends house. Does the Switch still work? If not, then this will lead to a ton of fights in homes with multiple gamers.
The screen is the console. The dock just adds connectivity to the TV and charges the unit.
That's lame.
So if you live in a multi-gamer household your 'console' could go missing for long stretches.
That's not very different from any other consoles is it? Were you really expecting to get 2x the hardware for a regular console price?
Its different because I don't need to worry that my XboxOne will disappear for many hours. I know it will be in my living room......always.
With this thing, your console could disappear.
You've missed the point.
Nintendo expects everyone in the family to have a console each, with a docking station plugged into the tv.
Three years since a professional desktop. GPUs across the board are gimped in TDP by the case designs. Apple has always been lacking in the graphics department. And if you want to talk about gimmicks, you can’t replace mouse and keyboard with a touchscreen game interface.
Apple has ALWAYS been lacking in graphics? I guess it depends on what you need graphics power for. Gaming? Yep. Graphical design? Nope. And old acquaintance, who owns a graphics design/advertising company once told me "You can't do graphics on a PC. For this business, it's a Mac or nothing."
The thing I don't get: does the console work without the portable screen?
Lets say you come home from work and you want to play Zelda. But then you realize your Son took the portable screen to his friends house. Does the Switch still work? If not, then this will lead to a ton of fights in homes with multiple gamers.
The screen is the console. The dock just adds connectivity to the TV and charges the unit.
That's lame.
So if you live in a multi-gamer household your 'console' could go missing for long stretches.
That's not very different from any other consoles is it? Were you really expecting to get 2x the hardware for a regular console price?
Its different because I don't need to worry that my XboxOne will disappear for many hours. I know it will be in my living room......always.
With this thing, your console could disappear.
You've missed the point.
Nintendo expects everyone in the family to have a console each, with a docking station plugged into the tv.
Do they? Will be interesting to see if they sell the portable unit without the dock.
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"gimmick wand controller"
The Wii remote was awarded with many innovation awards and Time Magazine called it the second biggest invention of 2006. Steve Jobs loved the idea and it paved the way for the future of gaming.
"Wii was a failure"
Wii was the fastest selling console in history. It was so revolutionary and sold so much people at the time were calling Nintendo "the next "Apple". When selfish little nerds started complaining that it wasn't "hard-core" enough Nintendo listen to the fans and released the Wii you to satisfy their appetite. This became one of Nintendo's biggest failures.
"Wii games didn't sell"
The Wii is home to a few games in the top 10 highest selling games of all time. The $100 Wii Fit being one of them. That has got to be one of the highest grossing games in history.
The success/value of Wii lasted about four years. You can't even compare these.
If Nintendo allow sales of the "tablet" separately then this would actually be a good problem. You could be at home playing Zelda while little Timmy is on the school bus playing Mario. Everyone in the household could have their own switch.
This was discussed about 6 years ago. Wii Sports numbers are valid because it wasn't packed in with the console in every country And in those countries everyone who bought a Wii bought Wii Sports along with it. Another interesting point is that most people bought a Wii for Wii Sports.
Smash Bros. Wii U is the greatest game I've ever played in my life.
Not that I necessarily want to support the actions of the AAA developers these days, but what’s with third parties claiming that Nintendo can’t handle their games, anyway? The WiiU was easily powerful enough, but I guess we can chalk that up to Nintendo’s fault.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/hard_soft/
Microsoft and Sony don't have any interest in mobile consoles:
http://www.geek.com/games/sony-gives-up-on-the-ps-vita-1637695/
Gaming companies don't seem to be able to succeed at both mobile and box consoles, they succeed at one or the other. Sony's mobile efforts failed while Nintendo's was successful but the Wii U failed where the PS4 succeeded. It's hard to develop compelling software titles so having resources split between platforms isn't ideal, it's best they go one way or the other and it doesn't make sense for Nintendo to abandon their biggest audience.
The box console makes most sense for Microsoft and Sony as their audience is into FPS games etc and they don't need to game on the go as the titles aren't pick-up-and-play. Nintendo is more about family-friendly titles and with mobile, kids can easily take the console into their own room to play or in the car with them.
The Switch won't be underpowered, it will be faster than the Wii U. The next Tegra is 1.5TFLOPs FP16, 10x the Tegra 4:
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/08/22/parker-for-self-driving-cars/
NVidia showed a Tegra X1 demo a while ago (the previous Tegra, 1TFLOP) running the Unreal 4 Elemental test:
That's clearly slower than a PS4, I'd say around half the performance. The next Tegra will be 50% faster. Add in the fact that it's a mobile device and will be running optimal software, it should be effectively like having a handheld PS4. The PS4 and XBO will be replaced by faster models (4x-5x faster) but the software will still have to be compatible with the original PS4 and XBO so performance-wise, developers shouldn't be restricted by the Switch hardware.
Nobody can tell how these device sales will play out but this will be Nintendo's main, single hardware platform and the biggest selling point is their own software. They won't be able to do things like Pokemon Go because of the lack of cellular data and rear camera but they can do some unique things with the portable console and detachable controllers. They couldn't risk making another console box:
https://www.vg247.com/2016/07/27/nintendo-q1-fy16-company-posts-232-million-loss-the-largest-quarterly-loss-in-five-years/
This move will focus all the company's resources around the platform where they are currently strongest, which is the mobile platform. It may launch at $299 but could fall to $199 within a year or by Christmas 2017 and that would be a very good price to hit for that kind of hardware.
Nintendo expects everyone in the family to have a console each, with a docking station plugged into the tv.