Apple's top management largely white and male, but overall workforce trending toward diversity

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  • Reply 21 of 39
    knowitallknowitall Posts: 1,358member
    Positive discrimination is just discrimination in disguise invented by do-gooders that are the actual discriminators.
    If your ok as a person, you don't notice someone's skin tone at all (like you don't register the language you read when your multilingual).
    entropys
  • Reply 22 of 39
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 4,631member
    gtr said:

    Not only are they mostly white women, they all look strikingly similar.  How odd. 
    slingwingentropys
  • Reply 23 of 39
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,312member
    Ive alway been amused by the American identity politics idea that all the whites are all the same. That they are one big fungible mass. Fact is you would be more diverse with a room full of whites from across Europe and the US -  Europe with its myriad different cultures and sub-cultures and languages -  than with black Americans, chinese Americans, or any other hypenated american. 
  • Reply 24 of 39
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,312member
    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    sick of this crap

    Tim Cook

    just hire the BEST PEOPLE. Oh I forgot. That means Tim Cook needs to fire himself. Never mind.

    Could that be the reason why Cook is such a champion of diversity? Never thought of that before.
    It's such a silly notion that there's just one best person for a job. The issue is that it's never really known who the best person is. Qualifications on a piece of paper means nothing. Did anyone think Tom Brady would become probably the best QB of all time, or that Dak Prescott would play at such a high level right out of college? People just need a chance to prove themselves. 


    For every Tom Brady there is 1,000 Elvis Gerbacks.

    I'm all for giving people a chance. 

    But diversity for diversities sakes is stupid. Just hire the Best regardless of race, religion, ect. 

    As far as Tim Cook goes, he did get a chance. 5+ years. And he has proven he is not the right guy for the job. Its like playing Elvis Gerback for 10+ years even though he proved he sucked at QB. 

    Jobs choose Cook because he knew that ramping up production of the iPhone was of prime importance. We are at a point that isn't important anymore. We are near max level. Now its about innovation not efficentcy. 

    They either need to get rid of Cook or find another visionary to work under Cook.
    Who though can take over? CEOS from the outside tend to be MBA muppets. Ive doesnt want it. Forstall, who might have been good is gone for good. Everybody else in Apple is not that visionary and Ive is apparantly on the way out. ELon musk is busy with his own stuff. 
  • Reply 25 of 39
    Rayz2016 said:
    gtr said:

    Not only are they mostly white women, they all look strikingly similar.  How odd. 
    Actually, I do see five (perhaps even 6) non-white women, but I suppose that's really beside the point...
    singularity
  • Reply 26 of 39

    asdasd said:
    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    sick of this crap

    Tim Cook

    just hire the BEST PEOPLE. Oh I forgot. That means Tim Cook needs to fire himself. Never mind.

    Could that be the reason why Cook is such a champion of diversity? Never thought of that before.
    It's such a silly notion that there's just one best person for a job. The issue is that it's never really known who the best person is. Qualifications on a piece of paper means nothing. Did anyone think Tom Brady would become probably the best QB of all time, or that Dak Prescott would play at such a high level right out of college? People just need a chance to prove themselves. 


    For every Tom Brady there is 1,000 Elvis Gerbacks.

    I'm all for giving people a chance. 

    But diversity for diversities sakes is stupid. Just hire the Best regardless of race, religion, ect. 

    As far as Tim Cook goes, he did get a chance. 5+ years. And he has proven he is not the right guy for the job. Its like playing Elvis Gerback for 10+ years even though he proved he sucked at QB. 

    Jobs choose Cook because he knew that ramping up production of the iPhone was of prime importance. We are at a point that isn't important anymore. We are near max level. Now its about innovation not efficentcy. 

    They either need to get rid of Cook or find another visionary to work under Cook.
    Who though can take over? CEOS from the outside tend to be MBA muppets. Ive doesnt want it. Forstall, who might have been good is gone for good. Everybody else in Apple is not that visionary and Ive is apparantly on the way out. ELon musk is busy with his own stuff. 
    Whom did you have in mind when you refer to "MBA muppets"? Do you know any MBAs? Seriously?
  • Reply 27 of 39
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,312member

    asdasd said:
    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    sick of this crap

    Tim Cook

    just hire the BEST PEOPLE. Oh I forgot. That means Tim Cook needs to fire himself. Never mind.

    Could that be the reason why Cook is such a champion of diversity? Never thought of that before.
    It's such a silly notion that there's just one best person for a job. The issue is that it's never really known who the best person is. Qualifications on a piece of paper means nothing. Did anyone think Tom Brady would become probably the best QB of all time, or that Dak Prescott would play at such a high level right out of college? People just need a chance to prove themselves. 


    For every Tom Brady there is 1,000 Elvis Gerbacks.

    I'm all for giving people a chance. 

    But diversity for diversities sakes is stupid. Just hire the Best regardless of race, religion, ect. 

    As far as Tim Cook goes, he did get a chance. 5+ years. And he has proven he is not the right guy for the job. Its like playing Elvis Gerback for 10+ years even though he proved he sucked at QB. 

    Jobs choose Cook because he knew that ramping up production of the iPhone was of prime importance. We are at a point that isn't important anymore. We are near max level. Now its about innovation not efficentcy. 

    They either need to get rid of Cook or find another visionary to work under Cook.
    Who though can take over? CEOS from the outside tend to be MBA muppets. Ive doesnt want it. Forstall, who might have been good is gone for good. Everybody else in Apple is not that visionary and Ive is apparantly on the way out. ELon musk is busy with his own stuff. 
    Whom did you have in mind when you refer to "MBA muppets"? Do you know any MBAs? Seriously?
    The best CEOs are founders. And yes of course I do, I work in industry. 
  • Reply 28 of 39
    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    sick of this crap

    Tim Cook

    just hire the BEST PEOPLE. Oh I forgot. That means Tim Cook needs to fire himself. Never mind.

    Could that be the reason why Cook is such a champion of diversity? Never thought of that before.
    It's such a silly notion that there's just one best person for a job. The issue is that it's never really known who the best person is. Qualifications on a piece of paper means nothing. Did anyone think Tom Brady would become probably the best QB of all time, or that Dak Prescott would play at such a high level right out of college? People just need a chance to prove themselves. 


    For every Tom Brady there is 1,000 Elvis Gerbacks.

    I'm all for giving people a chance. 

    But diversity for diversities sakes is stupid. Just hire the Best regardless of race, religion, ect. 

    As far as Tim Cook goes, he did get a chance. 5+ years. And he has proven he is not the right guy for the job. Its like playing Elvis Gerback for 10+ years even though he proved he sucked at QB. 

    Jobs choose Cook because he knew that ramping up production of the iPhone was of prime importance. We are at a point that isn't important anymore. We are near max level. Now its about innovation not efficentcy. 

    They either need to get rid of Cook or find another visionary to work under Cook.


    Sorry -- but just trash talking Cook is meaningless drivel...
    ...  Unless you have a better option, you contribute nothing but mud...

    But then that's typically what those who are proponents of discrimination do:   They tear down that which they fear through innuendo.

    ai46
  • Reply 29 of 39
    asdasd said:

    asdasd said:
    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    sick of this crap

    Tim Cook

    just hire the BEST PEOPLE. Oh I forgot. That means Tim Cook needs to fire himself. Never mind.

    Could that be the reason why Cook is such a champion of diversity? Never thought of that before.
    It's such a silly notion that there's just one best person for a job. The issue is that it's never really known who the best person is. Qualifications on a piece of paper means nothing. Did anyone think Tom Brady would become probably the best QB of all time, or that Dak Prescott would play at such a high level right out of college? People just need a chance to prove themselves. 


    For every Tom Brady there is 1,000 Elvis Gerbacks.

    I'm all for giving people a chance. 

    But diversity for diversities sakes is stupid. Just hire the Best regardless of race, religion, ect. 

    As far as Tim Cook goes, he did get a chance. 5+ years. And he has proven he is not the right guy for the job. Its like playing Elvis Gerback for 10+ years even though he proved he sucked at QB. 

    Jobs choose Cook because he knew that ramping up production of the iPhone was of prime importance. We are at a point that isn't important anymore. We are near max level. Now its about innovation not efficentcy. 

    They either need to get rid of Cook or find another visionary to work under Cook.
    Who though can take over? CEOS from the outside tend to be MBA muppets. Ive doesnt want it. Forstall, who might have been good is gone for good. Everybody else in Apple is not that visionary and Ive is apparantly on the way out. ELon musk is busy with his own stuff. 
    Whom did you have in mind when you refer to "MBA muppets"? Do you know any MBAs? Seriously?
    The best CEOs are founders. And yes of course I do, I work in industry. 
    Where did you see that? Did anyone do a study on this, and if so, can you point me to it?
    singularity
  • Reply 30 of 39
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,312member
    asdasd said:

    asdasd said:
    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    sick of this crap

    Tim Cook

    just hire the BEST PEOPLE. Oh I forgot. That means Tim Cook needs to fire himself. Never mind.

    Could that be the reason why Cook is such a champion of diversity? Never thought of that before.
    It's such a silly notion that there's just one best person for a job. The issue is that it's never really known who the best person is. Qualifications on a piece of paper means nothing. Did anyone think Tom Brady would become probably the best QB of all time, or that Dak Prescott would play at such a high level right out of college? People just need a chance to prove themselves. 


    For every Tom Brady there is 1,000 Elvis Gerbacks.

    I'm all for giving people a chance. 

    But diversity for diversities sakes is stupid. Just hire the Best regardless of race, religion, ect. 

    As far as Tim Cook goes, he did get a chance. 5+ years. And he has proven he is not the right guy for the job. Its like playing Elvis Gerback for 10+ years even though he proved he sucked at QB. 

    Jobs choose Cook because he knew that ramping up production of the iPhone was of prime importance. We are at a point that isn't important anymore. We are near max level. Now its about innovation not efficentcy. 

    They either need to get rid of Cook or find another visionary to work under Cook.
    Who though can take over? CEOS from the outside tend to be MBA muppets. Ive doesnt want it. Forstall, who might have been good is gone for good. Everybody else in Apple is not that visionary and Ive is apparantly on the way out. ELon musk is busy with his own stuff. 
    Whom did you have in mind when you refer to "MBA muppets"? Do you know any MBAs? Seriously?
    The best CEOs are founders. And yes of course I do, I work in industry. 
    Where did you see that? Did anyone do a study on this, and if so, can you point me to it?
    Yes and no. I don't link to the obvious. I just state it. 

    Its clearly obvious without recourse to any kind of link that all technology companies in particular (but not just technology companies) are better served with their leaders being founders from jobs to musk, from bezos to zuckerberg. 
  • Reply 31 of 39
    FDNY (Fire Department New York) is hiring ex-felons to meet the diversity quota. It was in news yesterday.

    That is what we have come to. It is disgusting. Next time when someone loses life because some incompetent, lazy, just for money doing job is trying to put out fires, who is responsible for it?

    Same goes for apple, look at latest iPhone or macbook pro, magic is gone. Sad to see and say that.
    asdasd
  • Reply 32 of 39

    Not only are they mostly white women, they all look strikingly similar.  How odd. 
    That is because most of them are european from socialist countries or they are sold out to the leftist agenda for personal gains. Because any true american will not write utter nonsense they put out or even read that disgusting left wing bull crap.
  • Reply 33 of 39
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,312member
    slingwing said:

    Not only are they mostly white women, they all look strikingly similar.  How odd. 
    That is because most of them are european from socialist countries or they are sold out to the leftist agenda for personal gains. Because any true american will not write utter nonsense they put out or even read that disgusting left wing bull crap.
    America is the home of that form of identity politics leftism, not Europe. Europe's left is more old school class politics although it's becoming more influenced by American discourse.   

    (I won't mention the obvious logical fallacy as you pretty much named it yourself). 
    edited November 2016
  • Reply 34 of 39
    entropysentropys Posts: 1,751member
    slingwing said:

    Not only are they mostly white women, they all look strikingly similar.  How odd. 
    That is because most of them are european from socialist countries or they are sold out to the leftist agenda for personal gains. Because any true american will not write utter nonsense they put out or even read that disgusting left wing bull crap.
    Honestly Slingwing, there is a market for everything. And reacting to Huffpost's ideology and hate with your own isn't constructive or good for your blood pressure. Just be thankful your taxes don't pay for it like happens in my country.
    edited November 2016 SpamSandwich
  • Reply 35 of 39
    asdasd said:
    asdasd said:

    asdasd said:
    sog35 said:
    sog35 said:
    sick of this crap

    Tim Cook

    just hire the BEST PEOPLE. Oh I forgot. That means Tim Cook needs to fire himself. Never mind.

    Could that be the reason why Cook is such a champion of diversity? Never thought of that before.
    It's such a silly notion that there's just one best person for a job. The issue is that it's never really known who the best person is. Qualifications on a piece of paper means nothing. Did anyone think Tom Brady would become probably the best QB of all time, or that Dak Prescott would play at such a high level right out of college? People just need a chance to prove themselves. 


    For every Tom Brady there is 1,000 Elvis Gerbacks.

    I'm all for giving people a chance. 

    But diversity for diversities sakes is stupid. Just hire the Best regardless of race, religion, ect. 

    As far as Tim Cook goes, he did get a chance. 5+ years. And he has proven he is not the right guy for the job. Its like playing Elvis Gerback for 10+ years even though he proved he sucked at QB. 

    Jobs choose Cook because he knew that ramping up production of the iPhone was of prime importance. We are at a point that isn't important anymore. We are near max level. Now its about innovation not efficentcy. 

    They either need to get rid of Cook or find another visionary to work under Cook.
    Who though can take over? CEOS from the outside tend to be MBA muppets. Ive doesnt want it. Forstall, who might have been good is gone for good. Everybody else in Apple is not that visionary and Ive is apparantly on the way out. ELon musk is busy with his own stuff. 
    Whom did you have in mind when you refer to "MBA muppets"? Do you know any MBAs? Seriously?
    The best CEOs are founders. And yes of course I do, I work in industry. 
    Where did you see that? Did anyone do a study on this, and if so, can you point me to it?
    Yes and no. I don't link to the obvious. I just state it. 

    Its clearly obvious without recourse to any kind of link that all technology companies in particular (but not just technology companies) are better served with their leaders being founders from jobs to musk, from bezos to zuckerberg. 
    Of yes, I forgot that technology companies are all that matter. Leaving aside companies in which people like Chambers, Sandberg, Cook, Stevens, Seidenberg, Sharer, etc etc work(ed). Not to mention the dozens and dozens of multi-billion dollar tech companies led by non-MBA founders that... foundered (too many to name). 

    And since you "just state it", of course it must be true. For you. 

    In my business they call this a survivorship and selection bias. I'll just call it a bias. 
    edited November 2016
  • Reply 36 of 39
    apple ][ said:
    This racist identity politics is getting pretty disgusting and it should die a quick death.

    You would have thought that it would have died out when we defeated the Nazis in the last century, but no, it's alive and well in 2016, in the USA, practiced and worshipped by a new kind of brownshirts. Truly deplorable people.


    Believing ( mistakenly) that there is some conspiracy that means "those other people" are being hired over more deserving 'white' candidates is the kind of lie that Trump and his supporters used to fan the flames of extremism. As the other poster noted, diversity is about encouraging the next generation who are less fortunate - which disproportionally are black/hispanic. Wealthy kids going to a fancy school with all the tech available have a huge advantage..
    singularitydasanman69
  • Reply 37 of 39
    loopy3 said:
    apple ][ said:
    This racist identity politics is getting pretty disgusting and it should die a quick death.

    You would have thought that it would have died out when we defeated the Nazis in the last century, but no, it's alive and well in 2016, in the USA, practiced and worshipped by a new kind of brownshirts. Truly deplorable people.


    Believing ( mistakenly) that there is some conspiracy that means "those other people" are being hired over more deserving 'white' candidates is the kind of lie that Trump and his supporters used to fan the flames of extremism. As the other poster noted, diversity is about encouraging the next generation who are less fortunate - which disproportionally are black/hispanic. Wealthy kids going to a fancy school with all the tech available have a huge advantage..
    "I’m a very big believer in equal opportunity as opposed to equal outcome. I don’t believe in equal outcome because unfortunately life’s not like that. It would be a pretty boring place if it was. But I really believe in equal opportunity. Equal opportunity to me more than anything means a great education. Maybe even more important than a great family life, but I don’t know how to do that. Nobody knows how to do that."

    "
    The market competition model seems to indicate that where there is a need there is a lot of providers willing to tailor their products to fit that need and a lot of competition which forces them to get better and better. I used to think when I was in my twenties that technology was the solution to most of the world’s problems, but unfortunately it just ain’t so…"

    —Steve Jobs
  • Reply 38 of 39
    slingwing said:
    FDNY (Fire Department New York) is hiring ex-felons to meet the diversity quota. It was in news yesterday.

    That is what we have come to. It is disgusting. Next time when someone loses life because some incompetent, lazy, just for money doing job is trying to put out fires, who is responsible for it?

    Same goes for apple, look at latest iPhone or macbook pro, magic is gone. Sad to see and say that.
    You think an ex-felon is incapable of being a good firefighter? 
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