Apple allegedly deepening partnership with Foxconn to facilitate China, Indonesia expansion efforts.

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Apple is turning to manufacturing partner Foxconn to facilitate efforts to expand both research centers and business further into Southeast Asia, and open up facilities in China and Indonesia, according to recent reports.




Foxconn has been manufacturing for Apple for over a decade. While Apple's Indonesian presence is somewhat limited at the moment, Foxconn has been in Indonesia for several years according to Chinese language journal Economic Daily News talking about the manufacturer's assistance to Apple.

Not clear is what assistance Foxconn may specifically give Apple, beyond access to already-forged business arrangements with local suppliers and businesses.

In late November, Indonesian Communication and Information Minister H.E. Rudiantara said that the country's Communication and Informatics Ministry was "finalizing the plan" for an Apple-led research center in Jakarta. Apple has reportedly already selected a few locations in the country for the center.

Earlier in the year, Chinese media reported that Apple is launching its first research and development center, located in technology incubation area Zhongguancun Science Park, Beijing. According to reports on the matter, the center has a budget of about $15 million, with a long-term expenditure goal of $45 million over the next few years. The center is allegedly seeking to hire around 500 workers, with no particular focus beyond Apple products and software.

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  • Reply 1 of 20
    A boon to Chinese industrial espionage. Much more convenient. Building can be hardwired with spying devices. That is if Trump hasn't managed to destroy Apple's business first. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 20
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 3,982member
    A boon to Chinese industrial espionage. Much more convenient. Building can be hardwired with spying devices. That is if Trump hasn't managed to destroy Apple's business first. 
    Trump is just a Talker; nothing will change in term of "Made in America" bullshit slogan. 
    baconstangStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 20
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 2,353member
    Trump won't do anything that costs corporations profit.
  • Reply 4 of 20
    Everyone always thinks the politician they voted for has the answer to their salvation, wealth and well being. When has that ever been true in history? NEVER!
    lkruppai46dysamoriawatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 20
    calicali Posts: 3,495member
    Everyone always thinks the politician they voted for has the answer to their salvation, wealth and well being. When has that ever been true in history? NEVER!
    Rosevelt? 
    lkrupp
  • Reply 6 of 20
    Everyone always thinks the politician they voted for has the answer to their salvation, wealth and well being. When has that ever been true in history? NEVER!
    JFK
  • Reply 7 of 20
    Apple has had a decade to buy controlling stakes in Foxconn and they should've done so.
  • Reply 8 of 20
    crowleycrowley Posts: 6,067member
    Everyone always thinks the politician they voted for has the answer to their salvation, wealth and well being. When has that ever been true in history? NEVER!
    I'm not sure there's a single answer that will fulfill those three things on offer from anyone, politician or not.
    dysamoria
  • Reply 9 of 20
    Publicly-traded corporations, like Apple, have a responsibility to maximize shareholder value. If manufacturing overseas can facilitate this, better than manufacturing in the US, they will do so regardless of what anyone wants. What's a president Trump gonna do? Slap tariffs on Apple products? US Consumers, and most of Congress, would likely revolt. Trump will soon discover that he really has few tools at his disposal other than the bully pulpit. Would I like to see manufacturing jobs stay/return to the US? You bet! However anything less than the fundamentals allowing for this would simply not fly in the long term...
  • Reply 10 of 20
    Apple may yet rue the day it started dealing with Indonesia. While China has problems, there are people there who understand that learning about the design, creation, and bolting together of consumer-goods for mainly Western consumption will augur well for them in the future. Indonesia on the other hand is run by a Byzantine, ignorant, corrupt, Islamist-friendly regime with a get-rich-quick-for-no-effort mentality, an uneducated, superstitious workforce which excuses itself 5 times a day for prayer, has holidays for at least 3 religions (Muslim, Hindu, Christian), and seems not to give a damn about quality, customer-service, health or much else. I have lived in Bali for over a decade now, so I can speak with a modicum of knowledge. Apple beware. You know not what you're getting into.
    dysamoriaholyonexamax
  • Reply 11 of 20
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    Apple may yet rue the day it started dealing with Indonesia. While China has problems, there are people there who understand that learning about the design, creation, and bolting together of consumer-goods for mainly Western consumption will augur well for them in the future. Indonesia on the other hand is run by a Byzantine, ignorant, corrupt, Islamist-friendly regime with a get-rich-quick-for-no-effort mentality, an uneducated, superstitious workforce which excuses itself 5 times a day for prayer, has holidays for at least 3 religions (Muslim, Hindu, Christian), and seems not to give a damn about quality, customer-service, health or much else. I have lived in Bali for over a decade now, so I can speak with a modicum of knowledge. Apple beware. You know not what you're getting into.
    Considering the reach of Apple and who it employs and its supply chain, I think they've got the guys in place that know all those things already.

    Yet, it's hard to ignore a 250M people country... You got to bite the bullet if you want to expand there.

    As for Apple and manufacturing, if phones that were sold there were from the US, they'd be ridiculously expensive for people there compared to the competition, who would be built in China or in the region. So, this is a non starter.

    Trump doesn't realize how little of Apple's products money is actually used for "manufacturing" right now.
    Most of Apple's US revenues goes back to US taxpayers and most of its money is spent in the US too.
    Trump seems to be thinking of Apple as a 1920s car manufacturer...
    StrangeDaysration al
  • Reply 12 of 20
    Apple may yet rue the day it started dealing with Indonesia. While China has problems, there are people there who understand that learning about the design, creation, and bolting together of consumer-goods for mainly Western consumption will augur well for them in the future. Indonesia on the other hand is run by a Byzantine, ignorant, corrupt, Islamist-friendly regime with a get-rich-quick-for-no-effort mentality, an uneducated, superstitious workforce which excuses itself 5 times a day for prayer, has holidays for at least 3 religions (Muslim, Hindu, Christian), and seems not to give a damn about quality, customer-service, health or much else. I have lived in Bali for over a decade now, so I can speak with a modicum of knowledge. Apple beware. You know not what you're getting into.

    Do you have Mystics in Bali?
    xamax
  • Reply 13 of 20
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 2,353member
    Everyone always thinks the politician they voted for has the answer to their salvation, wealth and well being. When has that ever been true in history? NEVER!
    160 years of duopoly politics. The duopoly is not interested in society's success, education, wellbeing, or happiness. Even when they think they are, they aren't: when they place religion, self interest, and corporatism before society itself, they're against society. But who cares about society? We're still living with post-WWII anti-communist Russia propaganda that makes "social"a bad word. Schools are still indoctrinating nationalism (rather than facts) and people are still teaching this crap to their children.

    So long as the only politicians getting voted into government offices are republicans and democrats, it'll stay this way. Neither party cares much for education (the Republican Party seems to be against fact, and the democrat party doesn't know there's a critical need to totally replace the Prussian-industrial public education model that's been entrenched since the 1800s, which was never a good system and is utterly useless today in a nation of near zero industry).
    StrangeDays
  • Reply 14 of 20
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 2,353member

    karmadave said:
    Publicly-traded corporations, like Apple, have a responsibility to maximize shareholder value. If manufacturing overseas can facilitate this, better than manufacturing in the US, they will do so regardless of what anyone wants. What's a president Trump gonna do? Slap tariffs on Apple products? US Consumers, and most of Congress, would likely revolt. Trump will soon discover that he really has few tools at his disposal other than the bully pulpit. Would I like to see manufacturing jobs stay/return to the US? You bet! However anything less than the fundamentals allowing for this would simply not fly in the long term...
    Because pathological capitalism has ensured the trap of "profit over national loyalty". The corporations actively CHOSE to move industry out of the USA for profit. Wall Street and public ownership are not patriotic or pro-society entities. They're selfish, wealth-hoarding entities. Every corporation that goes public suffers the same fate eventually: loss of connection to the customers, the employees, the product, and the mission of making a living by providing something of worth. They go on because the system is shaped to endure them by socializing the losses and privatizing the gains.

    We have an unsustainable economic architecture and the people who are comfortable in it are fewer every decade, but also more powerful and bonded to governance.  So long as the economy can continue to be parasitic across the planet, it will look successful. There's an inevitable failure point when systems only exist to justify themselves. 
  • Reply 15 of 20
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 2,353member
    foggyhill said:
    Apple may yet rue the day it started dealing with Indonesia. While China has problems, there are people there who understand that learning about the design, creation, and bolting together of consumer-goods for mainly Western consumption will augur well for them in the future. Indonesia on the other hand is run by a Byzantine, ignorant, corrupt, Islamist-friendly regime with a get-rich-quick-for-no-effort mentality, an uneducated, superstitious workforce which excuses itself 5 times a day for prayer, has holidays for at least 3 religions (Muslim, Hindu, Christian), and seems not to give a damn about quality, customer-service, health or much else. I have lived in Bali for over a decade now, so I can speak with a modicum of knowledge. Apple beware. You know not what you're getting into.
    Considering the reach of Apple and who it employs and its supply chain, I think they've got the guys in place that know all those things already.

    Yet, it's hard to ignore a 250M people country... You got to bite the bullet if you want to expand there.

    As for Apple and manufacturing, if phones that were sold there were from the US, they'd be ridiculously expensive for people there compared to the competition, who would be built in China or in the region. So, this is a non starter.
    Because the Apple board and primary shareholders won't take less profit and the executives won't take less pay. That's the actual problem.

    Again: It's not about the cost of the product. It's about the profit margins. It was only ever about the profit margins. It's the human instinct toward greed, and the USA's culture of callous disregard and antisocial individualism promoting and glorifying it.
  • Reply 16 of 20
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    dysamoria said:
    Everyone always thinks the politician they voted for has the answer to their salvation, wealth and well being. When has that ever been true in history? NEVER!
    160 years of duopoly politics. The duopoly is not interested in society's success, education, wellbeing, or happiness. Even when they think they are, they aren't: when they place religion, self interest, and corporatism before society itself, they're against society. But who cares about society? We're still living with post-WWII anti-communist Russia propaganda that makes "social"a bad word. Schools are still indoctrinating nationalism (rather than facts) and people are still teaching this crap to their children.

    So long as the only politicians getting voted into government offices are republicans and democrats, it'll stay this way. Neither party cares much for education (the Republican Party seems to be against fact, and the democrat party doesn't know there's a critical need to totally replace the Prussian-industrial public education model that's been entrenched since the 1800s, which was never a good system and is utterly useless today in a nation of near zero industry).
    Right.. Both are the "same"... False equivalence... Talk to me in 4 years.

    The GOP has had control of most of the US since 1968 at all levels of government with the Dems having to spend half their own terms picking up their shit on the ground and catering to special white men snow flakes so they won't vote for a GOP that's crapped down their throat for 40 years straight and told them all their ills come from women, blacks, immigrants of various shades of brown, "stealing" their jobs.

    Maybe if the dems didn't have to put out fires when they get into power they'd be more time to actually do something.

    Funny how we got essentially the same education system in Canada yet get much better grades in tests than in the US. There are many other factors at work down there...

    The dems are barely able to salvage the current system from ruin; GOP has basically pounded education to oblivion in all states they controlled, and seems their going to do the same thing nationally.

    Teacher pay in the US is woeful and embarrassing. How can someone say a system has failed when people have not really invested in it at all.




    ration alapple jockey
  • Reply 17 of 20
    foggyhill said:

    Teacher pay in the US is woeful and embarrassing. How can someone say a system has failed when people have not really invested in it at all.

    Two pairs of words desribes the Education System in the USA

    1) Ivy League
    2) Trump University

    With 1) their class rings, sorority and frat memberships ensure that the top jobs go to those who are members of the 'club'.
    2) made out that people who were not members of that club could become a member by spending loads of money. A typical get rich quick scheme that has been around in the US since the days of the travelling snake oil salesmen.
    President Trump is an temporary honorary member of the 'club' by virtue of the assets (paper only) that he holds. He'd never be part of their cabal otherwise. Parts of it will see him as an outsider no matter what he does including licking their boots clean.
    Obama was never a member.

  • Reply 18 of 20
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 1,824member
    dysamoria said:
    Trump won't do anything that costs corporations profit.
    Trump will give the corporations tax breaks, but when he comes and asks Apple for a favor he will expect to get what he wants (like a factory in Pennsylvania) or Tim Cook may wake up with a horse head in the Bed (I mean that figuratively).
  • Reply 19 of 20
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    k2kw said:
    dysamoria said:
    Trump won't do anything that costs corporations profit.
    Trump will give the corporations tax breaks, but when he comes and asks Apple for a favor he will expect to get what he wants (like a factory in Pennsylvania) or Tim Cook may wake up with a horse head in the Bed (I mean that figuratively).
    Trump's is all big mouth, like most con man; being president doesn't change his nature.
    The only thing he could really do to hurt Apple would be high tarrif and the economic damage too the US economy of that would be astronomical (because most US companies these days have multinational highly integrated supply chains).
    No way Cook builds a factory in the rust belt (why the frack would he do that!), if they build something it will be a robot factory in California or even Texas.
    There is a reason companies left the rust belt and high tech companies are not there, and those reasons don't magically go away.

    Considering most of the rust belt is already controlled by GOP governors (and even Pensylvania was controlled by the GOP gov until recently), it is highly ironic they blame the dems for their plight.
    edited December 2016 apple jockey
  • Reply 20 of 20
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 21,305member
    foggyhill said:
    dysamoria said:
    Everyone always thinks the politician they voted for has the answer to their salvation, wealth and well being. When has that ever been true in history? NEVER!
    160 years of duopoly politics. The duopoly is not interested in society's success, education, wellbeing, or happiness. Even when they think they are, they aren't: when they place religion, self interest, and corporatism before society itself, they're against society. But who cares about society? We're still living with post-WWII anti-communist Russia propaganda that makes "social"a bad word. Schools are still indoctrinating nationalism (rather than facts) and people are still teaching this crap to their children.

    So long as the only politicians getting voted into government offices are republicans and democrats, it'll stay this way. Neither party cares much for education (the Republican Party seems to be against fact, and the democrat party doesn't know there's a critical need to totally replace the Prussian-industrial public education model that's been entrenched since the 1800s, which was never a good system and is utterly useless today in a nation of near zero industry).
    Right.. Both are the "same"... False equivalence... Talk to me in 4 years.

    The GOP has had control of most of the US since 1968 at all levels of government...


    Congressional control since 1980 has been pretty darn even. Democrats have controlled the Senate in 7 Congresses while the Republicans had the numbers in 9 of them. 2 were tied.
    In the House it's been a dead even split with Dems and Republicans each controlling it 9 of the last 18 Congressional terms. Since you mentioned the '60's here's a visual that makes it easier to see who was in control each of the years. It might not be exactly as you remembered it. 
    http://wiredpen.com/resources/political-commentary-and-analysis/a-visual-guide-balance-of-power-congress-presidency/

    But I can hear you saying "Yeah, but what about the States!" Here's another list for that and an easy to understand ones too. Sure looks like Democrats were in control nationwide for a number of those years. 
    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.ncsl.org/documents/statevote/legiscontrol_1978_1988.pdf
    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.ncsl.org/documents/statevote/legiscontrol_1990_2000.pdf
    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.ncsl.org/documents/statevote/legiscontrol_2002_2014.pdf

    Pinning all the blame for all the ills of the US on the Republicans looks bogus. Both parties have a share of it. 
    edited December 2016
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