What history teaches about Apple's windows of opportunity for 2017

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  • Reply 21 of 131
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Ok, sigh...  Another article blows right by the substance and harps about tech features...

    Anybody who really watched Jobs knows that, like any great IT/Tech guy, he knew that tech features and gadgets were merely a means to the end, but not the end themselves.   It is that realization and understanding that have made Apple (and IBM) great.

    That is, ultimately it is not this feature or that feature that makes a product a success.  It's not the features and the gadget & gimmicks at all.  Instead, it's DOES IT IMPROVE THE CUSTOMER'S LIFE?   DOES IT MAKE IT BETTER?

    As long as Apple can hold onto that understanding, they will do well.   When they lose it, they will devolve into another Microsoft or Google.

    This article shows the author does not understand that and instead chatters on about which tech features and gadgets succeeded.
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  • Reply 22 of 131
    I don’t think the Mac is going away. The problem with the Mac is that Apple isn’t in control of its core technology and Intel’s slowing pace of development is limiting Apple’s development headroom. Apple has already made highly successful Mac transitions from Motorola to PowerPC and then from PowerPC to Intel, remarkably seamlessly for users. It’s time to do that again and the A series processors may be the destination. Whether it will be the A series or a new processor, it must be a big job that will take a while. I’m looking forward to the day Apple announces new Macs that will outperform Intel PCs as much as iPhones outperform other phones.
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  • Reply 23 of 131
    eriamjheriamjh Posts: 1,399member
    I think the article says if Apple doesn't make money doing it, they're gonna stop doing it.  

    Maybe be that's why the Mac Pro hasn't been updated?  

    IPhones help sell iMacs, not Mac Pros.  
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  • Reply 24 of 131
    Just waiting for the upcoming beautiful ultra-thin SSD-only 5K iMac...
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  • Reply 25 of 131
    Sorry, there is simply no excuse for Apple not updating core products like the MacPro and Mac Mini.  They are leaving money on the table.  They are not innovating.  The PC is not dead.  The Microsoft Surface Pro is more compelling than any iMac in the last three years.  Come on Apple, you are leaving your customers high and dry.
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  • Reply 26 of 131
    NY1822NY1822 Posts: 621member
    D.E.D. , drops the mic
    thank you again Dan
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  • Reply 27 of 131
    (speculating out loud)
    I think the reason that Macs get less attention is that in Apple's future they probably see them going up into the iPhone..
    But unlike Microsoft with Continuum, they'll only do it when the experience is actually better than the machines they intend to replace.. 
    Which is why this is probably still years ahead..
    Which is why Macs have to be 'maintained' in the meantime..
    My point is not that Continuum v2 is a goal in itself of Apple, but that it is an inevitable consequence of an iPhone that gets ever more powerful.  iPhones are already approaching desktop territory in terms of performance..  Give it a couple more years and you can have desktop-class computing in your pocket, and only a dumb keyboard and display away..  (when connected iPhone could provide macOS interface..)
    So my guess is that they are putting most of the effort in bringing iPhone beyond the Mac instead of leveling the effort between the two..

    Rayz2016GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 28 of 131
    An image that strikes me is that Apple seems to be the kung-fu shaolin monk (David Carradine comes to mind) who can deal out deadly strokes, but only if necessary, never to show off..
    The shaolin monk will remain calm and close-mouthed, analyzing his opponents and deciding for the best time of action..
    The people disappointed in Apple for not bringing out a powerful Mac(Book) are like the junior apprentices that want the master to show his muscles and demolish adversaries just for being arrogant show-offs.. Whereas the master sees through the bullshit and conserves his efforts for more opportune moments..


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  • Reply 29 of 131
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,505member
    1983 said:
    This article made some good points, but still comes across to an extent as pro Apple propaganda.
    Just wow!  Stating the facts, absent the anti-Apple propaganda (and backing them up with numbers) is propaganda?
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  • Reply 30 of 131
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,505member

    appex said:
    Best Apple opportunity for 2017: make a true Mac tablet with Intel x86 inside for full compatibility with the rest of the world (read, 95% Windows).
    I am assuming you forgot the " /s" or 'Joke'!  Who would want compatibility with the 'rest of the world' you refer to, that isn't buying PCs in ever growing numbers? Did you read the part about the iOS / IBM and other corporate serving companies' collaborations?  Or how about a simpler solution, how about Apple continues doing what actually succeeds, you know what the've been doing for a decade while the rest of the computer companies haven't.
    edited January 2017 netmageandrewj5790watto_cobra
  • Reply 31 of 131
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,505member
    Kudos once again DED.  If only your articles were carried as lead articles on the Verge and Ars etc.. As you say, there would be no interest I suppose as sensationalist anti-Apple propaganda is the best click bait, no one wants the truth on their web sites.   I truly wonder if there are any other clear sighted tech journalists out there?  I used to read PED but he seems to have vanished.  I think Tim should give you the position as the new Apple Evangelist Extraordinaire!
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  • Reply 32 of 131
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    Sorry, there is simply no excuse for Apple not updating core products like the MacPro and Mac Mini.  They are leaving money on the table.  They are not innovating.  The PC is not dead.  The Microsoft Surface Pro is more compelling than any iMac in the last three years.  Come on Apple, you are leaving your customers high and dry.
    It's almost as if you didn't get past the article title…
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  • Reply 33 of 131
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,467member
    Five years from now we won't be arguing Android vs. iOS like we do now. The OS on a device will be of less importance to users than the voice assistant. That's why you see so much emphasis on Google Assistant, Alexa, Viv, and Siri. 
  • Reply 34 of 131
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,251member
    arlor said:
    As somebody who's interested in the products, not the financials, and actually owns an old Mac Pro, I'm still allowed to want an up to date Mac Pro, right? Or should I just shut up about it, because I should care more about Apple's profitability?
    Either way, monster of an article!

    But yes, even though Peter Thiel and Wired are sensationalists who are not as intelligent or prescient as El Steve, it is looking like Apple's best days are behind it.

    And all you really have to do is read the first part of the article. -Backwards-rationalizing everything in the name of profit.

    One day Apple will have cut-out so many non-phone product lines & grass-roots in the name of bean-counting, they'll turn themselves into soon-to-be-dead, "Watson-or-Bust" IBM.
    Doomed, aaaaannnnyyyyy day now. That's basically what you're saying. 40 years later. 
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  • Reply 35 of 131
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,251member

    Donvermo said:
    Soli said:

    nubus said:
    Selling phones is not going to improve the focus, features, or quality of macOS or the computers we use as our main tool for work.
    Not only will it in the future, but it's already done so with most (if not all) macOS upgrades since the 2007. Then you have iOS going through a simpler deduction from macOS to become watchOS. Now Watch can used to unlock your Mac and use with Apple Pay. Those are improvements for the Mac. Then you have all the iCloud-based services that interconnect macOS, iOS, and watchOS so that your pictures, iMessages, phones calls, and even a shared keyboard are seamless between devices. Even more crazy is that watchOS was further reduced and built into the version of OS X that resides on the T1-chip to control the Mac's new Touch Bar, with Touch ID, and built-in Apple Pay. All those technologies first started with the iPhone. These are not trivial innovations.

    While I am still confident myself that Apple has plenty left up its sleeve to wow me away I do believe those concerns are legitimate. The recent issues with erratic power consumption (that become apparent in consumer testing) and the heavy memory usage at idle are some of those small imperfections that could easily have been noticed and fixed during QA testing. If Apple still cares as much as it claims it does about macOS then it should step up its game a little and show that to the users, a new Snow Leopard-eqsue update might just do the trick.
    What erratic power consumption? The batteries were fine. CR was using a developer setting which in turn triggered a bug which would only yield an issue during automated looping testing -- and would not impact normal developers much IRL or normal users at all. 
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  • Reply 36 of 131
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,251member

    1983 said:
    This article made some good points, but still comes across to an extent as pro Apple propaganda.
    Except it's  based in fact, while all the anti apple propaganda is based on FUD. 
    netmageai46watto_cobra
  • Reply 37 of 131
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,251member

    appex said:
    Best Apple opportunity for 2017: make a true Mac tablet with Intel x86 inside for full compatibility with the rest of the world (read, 95% Windows).
    Apple has said many times such a product sucked in their testing. What do you have to offer that shows otherwise?
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  • Reply 38 of 131
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,251member
    Sorry, there is simply no excuse for Apple not updating core products like the MacPro and Mac Mini.  They are leaving money on the table.  They are not innovating.  The PC is not dead.  The Microsoft Surface Pro is more compelling than any iMac in the last three years.  Come on Apple, you are leaving your customers high and dry.
     Nonsense. The hardware innovation in the latest iphones, ipads, macbooks and airpods is astounding. They don't improve themselves. 

    But MS makes yet another surface, this one for the the ultra niche of illustrators, and you're impressed? Show me the sales numbers, which prove people are actually buying them (which they will if they truly add value). 
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  • Reply 39 of 131
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,467member
    sog35 said:
    gatorguy said:
    Five years from now we won't be arguing Android vs. iOS like we do now. The OS on a device will be of less importance to users than the voice assistant. That's why you see so much emphasis on Google Assistant, Alexa, Viv, and Siri. 
    most people don't want to talk to their phone.

    the only reason there is so much emphasis on Google Assistant/Alexa is because Google/Amazon is graphing at straws. They know they can't compete with Apple regarding design, OS, and hardware. So instead they try to put all their eggs into the AI basket. 
    Most people wouldn't ever consider wearing glasses with cameras in them just three years ago. They wouldn't send an email instead of snailmail 20 years ago. Most people wouldn't ever think of sharing every intimate detail of their life with total strangers 10 years ago like they do on Facebook now. They wouldn't trust paying bills online instead of mailing a check 10 years ago. Most people wouldn't think of trusting their docs and pictures only to cloud storage with no local just 10 years ago. Would never consider an electric car over a gas-powered one 5 years ago. Could not see themselves trusting autonomous driving/safety features just 5 years ago. Would not chose a camera phone over a standalone camera for vacation pics 10 years ago. Most people would not consider watching their TV streamed over the internet instead of cable just 5 years ago. Most people may not be ready for some of the things I mentioned now. Heck, most people wouldn't even buy an Apple product.  But enough do. Times change and so do consumers.

    Voice assistants will be more important than the OS they're on in just a few years IMHO. 
    edited January 2017 canukstorm
  • Reply 40 of 131
    Great article, thanks! Some ideas that grows from it: 1)In my opinion, the best description of Apple is that ‘it is a learning company.’ Failures transform in new visions. 2) As for ‘predicting the future’ best way to do is following Alan Kay's: “The best way to predict the future is inventing it.” And that's what Apple does. 3) With the ‘correct’ understanding of his words, Colligan was right: ‘PC guys’ —for him— were Microsoft and Sony ‘guys.’ Apple is from other breed, and —again— follows Alan Kay's advice: “Those who really love software make their own hardware.” 4) In the ‘parallel’ Rubinstein/Jobs. Steve used to say: “Design is not how it looks, its how it works.” Bloggers and analysts ‘compare’ Apple to others ‘in the looks.’ 5) As for ‘licensing’ MacOS I bought my first Mac 512k in 1985. I hope they don't! (But it has not ‘rationale’ other than hearth!)
    andrewj5790ai46watto_cobra
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